Wooden Doors

[Archie]

Peephole or not, that could be resolved by turning off the light in the adjacent room. Regardless, my comment about it being pitch black (or very dark) concerned the (in)ability of a person to get a full kick on the door, without being constrained or knocked over by another. A modest amount of light penetrating through a peephole does not change that fact. Indeed, a weak light through a small peephole may allow you to locate a door, but it will not light up much within the room... my point stands.

Second, some of the potential gas chamber doors identified in the rubble of crematoria at Auschwitz do not have peepholes. I am not well read on the matter of the doors and which were found where. Perhaps this is detailed somewhere, and I will be happy to read more.

I just don't think much hinges (pun intended) on the the doors. There are too any other lines of evidence. Yes, you can kill people with gas in enclosed spaces.

The room is 30 meters long. I don't think having the light on in the adjacent room is going to illuminate the chamber via the peephole. Not very much.

The doors would be an essential part of the gas chamber design. If you are gassing unrestrained prisoners, the door must be very strong. It must be airtight. It must remain airtight even if people attempt to force the door. It must lock from the outside. The door should open outward. These are all properties we should expect to see in the gas chamber doors.

[Stubble]

>it was totally pitch black! Nobody could find the door!

>the only source of light was the peephole in the door, literally the only thing they could see in your scenario.

>well, the doors aren't important.

Dude, a panicking crowd of around 75 people could have pushed the brick wall the door was sitting in into the vestibule, you're right the flimsy wooden door with the jokes for locks isn't the most important thing. It's still a bad joke though.

Regarding 'other evidence' this thread is literally for wooden doors, if you don't want to talk about wooden doors, bow out.

[mengelemyth]

Dude, a panicking crowd of around 75 people could have pushed the brick wall the door was sitting in into the vestibule, you're right the flimsy wooden door with the jokes for locks isn't the most important thing. It's still a bad joke though.

Regarding 'other evidence' this thread is literally for wooden doors, if you don't want to talk about wooden doors, bow out.

Well now you're talking about brick walls? Examples of walls being pushed over by deniers are nearly always old and deteriorated. They are also freestanding walls, not built into a large underground chamber with a concrete ceiling.

This also requires for the people who found themselves in a dark gas chamber to collectively decide, in unison, to push at the wall. This might happen if a gas chamber was full of discerning revisionists who knew what was about to happen. But the average person isn't really that smart.

[Stubble]

Sir, examples of crowds pushing over brick, and sometimes concrete, walls are not restricted to 'freestanding' walls. Furthermore, math is math. Force from the proposed crowd in the homicidal gas chamber, at the proposed density, is in excess of the force required to break the mortar bond between the mortar and the bricks by many times. Somewhere between 3x and 8x depending on whose numbers you use.

It's just math.

For 75 people to do it would require coordination, for 2,000 people? It would just happen. People would be crushed, yes, but, somebody would have to pick the bricks up out of the vestibule after the hydrogen cyanide gas flooded and was drawn through the entire Krema.

And you think a wooden door and some taffy like iron is going to hold them in?

It's a fucking joke Sir.

[Wetzelrad]

Second, some of the potential gas chamber doors identified in the rubble of crematoria at Auschwitz do not have peepholes. I am not well read on the matter of the doors and which were found where. Perhaps this is detailed somewhere, and I will be happy to read more.

Well, on the first page of this thread I listed out all the found doors. The one door missing a peephole is the same one Jan Sehn was photographed with in May 1945 (as discussed by the museum here). That door was found near Crematorium V.

So it's interesting to compare that against the fact that the self-proclaimed witnesses claimed the crematoria had gas chamber doors with peepholes. This includes:
- Alfred Wetzler
- Rudolf Vrba
- Henryk Tauber
- Jaacov Gabai
- Leon Cohen
- Shlomo Venezia
- Dov Paisikovic
- Szlama Dragon
- Rudolf Höss

Szlama Dragon is the only witness I can find who described gas chamber doors that lacked a peephole, however that was according to him not so for Crema V, only so for the bunkers (page 70 of Sonderkommando Auschwitz II). Also that was in a statement given not-coincidentally to the above-mentioned Jan Sehn, and also in the same month. Besides which Szlama was not a credible witness for a host of other reasons.

So in essence this door is alleged to be a gas chamber door in spite of witness testimonies and not because of them.

[Stubble]

That's also, coincidentally, the door they put on display, is it not? I seem to recall that being the door they put in plexiglass.

[Wetzelrad]

Right, the museum made a video about preserving that door by putting it in a fancy protective case. Strangely the other loose door did not get the same treatment. Perhaps that door no longer exists.

Related to this topic, here is a Reddit thread I just came across where physics experts were asked whether a gas chamber door could withstand crowd pressure. Although it received many responses, none involved physics or math of any kind.

[Stubble]

Dude, the wall won't even hold the crowd, what's less the door. Furthermore, the door just makes a giant hole in the wall making the wall, even weaker.

They didn't panic proof anything, and to think any of it would have held up is some kind of sick joke.