Reply to Nazgul on Treblinka and Dr. Larsen

[Keen]

WTF? I thought this was some kind of parody at first, but it appears to be an actual attempt at scholarship.

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Was this an assignment that you completed for your junior high school history class Nazgul?

Nazgul:

The physical and archival evidence surrounding Treblinka II is complex and warrants careful interpretation.

What physical evidence are you talking about Nazgul?

What makes this alleged physical evidence so complex?

Nazgul:

Treblinka comprised both a labor camp (Treblinka I) and an extermination site (Treblinka II).

Could you tell us how this "extermination site" operated Nazgul?

And could you also tell us how many jews were "exterminated" at Treblinka II?

And please do tell us what happened to all the "exterminated jews."

Nazgul:

Taken together, these factors highlight the need for careful, methodical investigation using multiple sources to reconcile transport schedules, physical evidence, and archival documentation.

What physical evidence Nazgul? Can you show us any of this alleged physical evidence?

Nazgul:

Noting this is not a denial of events but an acknowledgment of the limits of Larson’s firsthand evidence. It’s an important context when discussing forensic findings versus the broader historical record of the Holocaust.

Did these "forensic findings" include any discoveries of mass graves - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is Yes. Nazgul, do you have any photos of these alleged "huge mass graves"?

How many "huge mass graves" can you prove actually exist?

Nazgul:

References
Sturdy Colls, Caroline. Holocaust Archaeology: Archaeological Approaches to Landscapes of Nazi Genocide. Routledge, 2015.

A proven fraud is listed as the first reference for this drivel!

If this isn't some kind of joke that I have fallen for, then this vomit is a classic example of what passes for revisionist scholarship these days. Nazgul, you owe everyone on this forum an appology for posting this garbage. Shame on you.

No wonder the truth continues to be supressed.

[Keen]

Nazgul:

The physical and archival evidence surrounding Treblinka II is complex

Nazgul, could you please explain the "complexity" of these two "huge mass graves" of Treblinka II:






Nazgul, what was the result of your "careful, methodical investigation" of the above "physical evidence"?

And please do tell us the "important context" that we should use "when discussing these forensic findings."

[Nazgul]

Nazgul, what was the result of your "careful, methodical investigation" of the above "physical evidence"?

And please do tell us the "important context" that we should use "when discussing these forensic findings."

All you’ve posted are two images of grassy ground perhaps disturbed. That is not forensic evidence of anything, let alone mass graves.

According to the Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland (compiled late 1945), the terrain of Treblinka II was disturbed by aerial bombs and unexploded artillery duds a few months after liberation by engineers of the 65th Red Army. Ground disturbances in these images could easily reflect that, or other post-war activity.

Without provenance, dating, site history, or independent corroboration, the images cannot determine function, contents, or intent. Treating ambiguous photos as proof is a category error.

[Nazgul]

No wonder the truth continues to be supressed.

Mockery and demands for “proof” from secondary references don’t replace careful analysis. Historical claims must be evaluated using archival records, testimony, and verified archaeological evidence, not insults or assumptions.

[HansHill]

I’m team Keen on this one. Why are we out here calling Treblinka an extermination camp exactly? We have no murder weapon, no extermination process, no victims, and ultimately no bodies.

[Stubble]

I scare quote it or call it a 'Murder Mill' in an ironic way.

[Nazgul]

I’m team Keen on this one. Why are we out here calling Treblinka an extermination camp exactly? We have no murder weapon, no extermination process, no victims, and ultimately no bodies.

I’m simply tired of writing “alleged extermination camp” every time I refer to Treblinka. Historical records suggest that what was called Treblinka II may have been part of two Judenlagers, or that an extermination site, if it existed, could have been elsewhere: at Malkinia, as Wiernik first described; at Czerwony Bor, about 50 km away, reportedly targeted by Polish General Grot-Rowecki; or at Kosów Lacki and southwest of Wólka Okrąglik, which are nearby camps to the current TII site, according to town elders.

Kosów Lacki (called Kosow Podlaski by US intelligence) was labeled an extermination camp, while what they referred to as the Treblinka death camp was designated TIII.

[Archie]

The original thread title was over-the-top. I have renamed it to something more neutral.

[HansHill]

I’m team Keen on this one. Why are we out here calling Treblinka an extermination camp exactly? We have no murder weapon, no extermination process, no victims, and ultimately no bodies.

I’m simply tired of writing “alleged extermination camp” every time I refer to Treblinka. Historical records suggest that what was called Treblinka II may have been part of two Judenlagers, or that an extermination site, if it existed, could have been elsewhere: at Malkinia, as Wiernik first described; at Czerwony Bor, about 50 km away, reportedly targeted by Polish General Grot-Rowecki; or at Kosów Lacki and southwest of Wólka Okrąglik, which are nearby camps to the current TII site, according to town elders.

Kosów Lacki (called Kosow Podlaski by US intelligence) was labeled an extermination camp, while what they referred to as the Treblinka death camp was designated TIII.

Im not out here to police anybody’s words but if truncation is the goal then surely “camp” is optimal.

[Keen]

Nazgul, what was the result of your "careful, methodical investigation" of the above "physical evidence"?

And please do tell us the "important context" that we should use "when discussing these forensic findings."

All you’ve posted are two images of grassy ground perhaps disturbed. That is not forensic evidence of anything, let alone mass graves.

Those photos came directly from your #1 source that you yourself referenced for the Treblinka II "extermination center."

Without provenance, dating, site history, or independent corroboration, the images cannot determine function, contents, or intent. Treating ambiguous photos as proof is a category error.

No shit Sherlock.

Your #1 source in your references alleges that up to one million jews were murdered at Treblinka II, yet the lying pig cannont provide a single clear, credible or convincing photo of an actual mass grave. Nor can you. Yet you still refer to Treblinka II as an "extermination camp" and call her photos "forensic evidence." And then you go on and claim that the issue of "physical evidence surrounding Treblinka II is complex." Nothing could be farther from the truth. It is as simple as the burden of production. It is as simple as the burden of proof. It is as simple as the elephant in my basement analogy. It is as simple as 2+2.

Your posts are as cringe worthy as Nick Terry's and epitomise all that is wrong with revisionism scholarship and are a prime example of why the general public is still so ignorant of the holohoax. If you would stop trying to impress yourself with your sophomoric drivel (believe me, no one else is impressed with it), maybe we could make some progress with getting people to understand this massive big-lie / cognitive illusion.

[Keen]

Mockery and demands for “proof” from secondary references don’t replace careful analysis. Historical claims must be evaluated using archival records, testimony, and verified archaeological evidence

What archaeological evidence?

You keep talking about physical and archaeological evidence, so why don't you show us some of it?

Here is a list of the questions you refused to answer just in this short thread alone:

What physical evidence are you talking about Nazgul?

What makes this alleged physical evidence so complex?

Could you tell us how this "extermination site" operated Nazgul?

And could you also tell us how many jews were "exterminated" at Treblinka II?

And please do tell us what happened to all the "exterminated jews."

What physical evidence Nazgul?

Can you show us any of this alleged physical evidence?

Did these "forensic findings" include any discoveries of mass graves - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is Yes. Nazgul, do you have any photos of these alleged "huge mass graves"?

How many "huge mass graves" can you prove actually exist?

Nazgul, could you please explain the "complexity" of these two "huge mass graves" of Treblinka II:

Nazgul, what was the result of your "careful, methodical investigation" of the above "physical evidence"?

And please do tell us the "important context" that we should use "when discussing these forensic findings."

Oh yes, it's all "so complex" that one must have as big a brain as Nazgul to understand it and give us his "careful interpretation" and his "careful, methodical investigation using multiple sources." If your brain is so big Nazgul, then whey are these questions so hard for you?

What a joke.

[Keen]

I’m simply tired of writing “alleged extermination camp” every time I refer to Treblinka. Historical records suggest that what was called Treblinka II may have been part of two Judenlagers, or that an extermination site, if it existed, could have been elsewhere: at Malkinia, as Wiernik first described; at Czerwony Bor, about 50 km away, reportedly targeted by Polish General Grot-Rowecki; or at Kosów Lacki and southwest of Wólka Okrąglik, which are nearby camps to the current TII site, according to town elders.

Kosów Lacki (called Kosow Podlaski by US intelligence) was labeled an extermination camp, while what they referred to as the Treblinka death camp was designated TIII.

You constantly fill your posts with sensless sophomoric drivel, yet you cannot find the time to insert the correct term "alleged" when referring to the fraudulently alleged Treblinka II "death camp"?

Historical records suggest that what was called Treblinka II may have been part of two Judenlagers, or that an extermination site, if it existed, could have been elsewhere: at Malkinia, as Wiernik first described; at Czerwony Bor, about 50 km away, reportedly targeted by Polish General Grot-Rowecki; or at Kosów Lacki and southwest of Wólka Okrąglik, which are nearby camps to the current TII site, according to town elders.

Kosów Lacki (called Kosow Podlaski by US intelligence) was labeled an extermination camp, while what they referred to as the Treblinka death camp was designated TIII.

Oh, so now we have magically disappearring "extermination sites"?



In the same sentence, Nazgul used the words: suggest, may, if and could, using Werrnik and "town elders" as his sources in what he "reportedy" calls "historical records."



With "revisionists" like Nazgul, who needs exterminationists.

[Keen]

Hey Nazgul, did you know that my towns historical records suggest that an elephant may be living in my basement? But then again, if it exists, it could be living in someone else's basement. This is all according to the elders of my town of course, so it must be true.

The story is VERY complex and warrants careful interpretation. These factors highlight the need for careful, methodical investigation using multiple sources to reconcile transport schedules, physical evidence, and archival documentation.

I'll let you know what I find Nazgul.

BTW Nazgul, do you think it's possible that I could photograph the magically disappearing elephant that MAY be living in my basement - IF it actually exists?

[Keen]

Im not out here to police anybody’s words but if truncation is the goal then surely “camp” is optimal.

Nazgul now wants to call them "Industrial Culling centers!"

[Nazgul]

Nazgul now wants to call them "Industrial Culling centers!"

Your obsession with Treblinka is a historically irrelevant distraction. The FPLO (Fahrplanordnung) documents—the official Reichsbahn schedules—show extensive stops at various Jewish labour camps along the route. Most of these camps were not even run by the SS, and the people disembarking had often only travelled for a few hours. They weren't terminally ill yet.

The terminal illness was manufactured within the camps because food was diverted to the military, leaving the inmates to starve. When these people reached the point of no return and became Muselmänner, they were 'selected' for Sonderbehandlung 14f13. This wasn't a 'battlefield' event; it was a clinical 'mercy killing' of victims the state had already broken.

By 1944, the SS had abandoned the shovel for the furnace because 'mercy killing' required a clinical disposal to maintain its 'medical' facade. Whether the remains of the Corfu Jews or the starved inmates went into the Sola or the Vistula, the fact remains: the 14f13 protocol replaced the burial pit with the industrial current.
You are demanding a shovel when the system was using a furnace and a waterway. To ask for a mass grave for a victim of 'Industrial Culling' is to admit you don't understand the very mechanism you're trying to mock.