14f13 misuse of power

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Spoiler

Morgen is representative of sentiment and was not alone.

Concerning testing, the Germans tested 3 nuclear weapons. They used a 'gun type device. They did enrichment out by Ordruff.

The first device was dirty and the second produced an over yield.

I will put a thread together at some point I will stress that the strontium 90 from the baby teeth in the 50's is inexplicable without successful German nuclear weapons testing.

Also, in 2018 a guy was arrested for recovering German fissile material from ww2.

1. The Strontium-90 "Inexplicability" (The Data Error)

The claim that Strontium-90 in 1950s baby teeth proves German testing is a massive Correlation vs. Causation error.

The Physics: Strontium-90 is a byproduct of nuclear fission. However, between 1945 and 1958, the US, USSR, and UK conducted over 150 atmospheric nuclear tests (Operation Sandstone, Greenhouse, Ivy, Castle, etc.).

The Systems Audit: To suggest that a few "dirty" tests in Ohrdruf in 1945 caused a global spike in 1955, while ignoring 150+ confirmed megaton-scale atmospheric blasts, is a failure of scale. It’s like blaming a single car exhaust for the smog in Beijing while ignoring the 500 factories next door.

2. The Enrichment Bottleneck (The kJ/kcal of Physics)

The Manpower/Energy Variable: The US Manhattan Project required 130,000 people and roughly 10% of the entire US electrical grid (Oak Ridge) to enrich enough Uranium for two bombs.

The German Reality: By 1944–45, Germany was under total "Industrial Triage." Their electrical grid was being hammered by the war (the 94 million war), and their "manpower" was being churned through the 14f13 loop.

The Audit: Where is the "Hidden Oak Ridge" in Germany? A "gun-type" device needs highly enriched
. You can't do that in a basement in Ohrdruf; you need massive industrial "hardware" that simply didn't exist in the Allied reconnaissance photos.

3. The "Over-Yield" Myth

The Technical Trap: A gun-type device (like Little Boy) is actually very inefficient. It’s hard to get an "over-yield" from a primitive design because the material tends to blow itself apart before full fission (pre-detonation).
The Hearsay: Stories of "Ohrdruf tests" usually rely on a single witness (Cläre Werner) who saw a "flash." In a war of 100 million deaths, flashes are everywhere—conventional ammo dumps, magnesium flares, or V-weapon failures.

4. The "Arrested for Fissile Material" (2018)

This likely refers to the "Bernd T." case or similar hobbyists finding "uranium cubes."
The Reality: The Germans did have uranium (the Heisenberg cubes), but they never achieved a self-sustaining chain reaction (criticality). Finding a piece of raw uranium today isn't proof of a bomb; it’s proof of a failed laboratory experiment.

This is a 'Hardware' fantasy that ignores the Industrial Audit. Nuclear weapons aren't just about 'sentiment' or 'secret tests'; they are about Energy Inputs.

Thermodynamics: The enrichment of requires a massive caloric and electrical investment. In 1945, Germany was running an industrial deficit so severe they were using 14f13 to clear 'unproductive' workers. They didn't have the kJ/kcal to run a Manhattan Project.

Scale: Blaming 1950s Strontium-90 on Ohrdruf while ignoring 150+ Allied atmospheric tests is a failure of basic Systems Analysis.

The Variable: Finding fissile material today just proves they had the 'fuel' but lacked the 'engine.' Like the Shoah, the German nuclear program was a victim of the regime's own Administrative Chaos and resource exhaustion

https://codoh.com/library/document/germ ... n-in-1945/

Spoiler

the Ohrdruf device was more of a small, tactical-type device, much less powerful than the U.S. bombs being developed at the time, the critical mass of which was about 50 kilograms of U-235.

What is inexplicable in the German baby teeth from the 1950's isn't the presence of Strontium 90, it's the levels.

The enrichment was done out by Arnstadt-Wechmar-Ohrdruf.

[Nazgul]

What is inexplicable in the German baby teeth from the 1950's isn't the presence of Strontium 90, it's the levels.

The enrichment was done out by Arnstadt-Wechmar-Ohrdruf.

The Industrial Audit: Why the "Secret Enrichment" is a Physical Impossibility

You are focusing on a "location" (Ohrdruf), but you are ignoring the Energy Inputs required to make that location functional. To move the "High Levels" of Strontium-90 from a theory to a reality, you have to account for the Entropy of the German state in 1945.

1. The "High Levels" Data Error

You claim the Strontium-90 levels in 1950s German baby teeth are "inexplicable" without German tests. This is a failure of Global Systems Analysis.

The Atmospheric Waveform: By the mid-1950s, the US and USSR were detonating Megaton-class weapons (like Castle Bravo, 15 Megatons). A single 15-megaton blast is 1,000 times more powerful than the Hiroshima bomb.

The Conclusion: The global "noise" from these massive atmospheric tests created a baseline of fallout that would completely drown out any hypothetical "dirty" 100g experiment in a German forest. To claim the German levels were "higher" than the global fallout of the 150+ Allied tests is a data discrepancy that lacks a verified source.

2. The Enrichment Bottleneck (kJ/kcal of Physics)

Enriching is not a "secret" you can hide in a basement; it is an Industrial Monster.
The Manhattan Project Metric: The US used Oak Ridge, which at its peak consumed one-seventh of all electricity generated in the US. It required massive thermal diffusion and electromagnetic separation plants (Calutrons) that were miles long.

The German Reality: Your own link admits they were looking at "tactical-type devices" with 100g of material. Why? Because they lacked the Industrial Coherence to build an Oak Ridge.

The Audit: By 1945, the German power grid was in total collapse due to Allied bombing. They were using 14f13 to liquidate "unproductive" workers because they couldn't even afford the kJ/kcal to feed them. You cannot run a massive enrichment facility at Arnstadt-Wechmar-Ohrdruf when you don't even have the electricity to keep the lights on in Berlin.

3. The 14f13 Connection

The Michaels article you linked admits that concentration camp prisoners were killed in these "experiments." This confirms my Systems View: the regime was so desperate and resource-starved that they were using "expendable units" as laboratory sensors. This isn't the behavior of a state with a functional nuclear program; it’s the behavior of a failed system trying to "tunnel" through the laws of physics with human blood.

The Final Word:

Finding "fissile material" in 2018 just proves they had the Fuel (Heisenberg's cubes), but they never had the Engine. In Quantum History, you cannot collapse the waveform of a nuclear bomb without the Phase-Coherence of a massive, stable industrial base. Between the 94 million (Holocaust) war and the 14f13 industrial triage, the Reich's "Phase Dynamics" were in terminal decay.

Ohrdruf wasn't a "Secret Oak Ridge"—it was a desperate, sub-critical footnote in a documented systemic crash.

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^above is blatant AI plagiarism and if I wanted to run through this with an LLM, I'd do that.

[Nazgul]

^above is blatant AI plagiarism and if I wanted to run through this with an LLM, I'd do that.

If you think this is 'blatant AI plagiarism,' why didn't you actually run it through an LLM first to check the context? You’re hiding behind a deflection because you can’t answer the Thermodynamics.
Go ahead—run the Systems Analysis yourself:

The Energy Input: Ask an LLM or a physicist how much electricity is required for Isotope Separation at a scale that produces a 100g tactical yield. Then cross-reference that with the 1945 German Power Grid during the 94 million (Holocaust) war.

The Administrative Loop: Ask about the Action 14f13 protocols. You'll find they coincide exactly with the 'selections' of 'disposable units' your own link mentions in the Ohrdruf tests.

The Data Noise: Ask about the Global Strontium-90 Baseline from the 150+ Allied atmospheric tests in the 1950s. You’ll see why your 'inexplicable' German levels are a massive data error.
I’m not in the 'trenches' of CODOH looking for a secret flash. I’m looking at the
Operating System of the Reich. If the Industrial Audit (the electricity and the calories) doesn't balance, you don't have a bomb—you have a documented systemic crash.
Run the prompt. If you can't handle the Systems View, stay in the trench. I'm flying over the entire circuit board."

A tiny detail, I taught nuclear physics.

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As you said, this is the wrong thread. Regardless I have been going through this as I can not let your dismissal go unopposed. With that said your AI plagiarism continues to get worse and more blatant with each post.

Calling the baby teeth testing results noise for example still doesn't explain the disparity with the rest of the global population. It also doesn't explain the testimony or the records.

/shrug

When I brought the German successful nuclear testing up it wasn't to derail your thread it was to illustrate a point.

[Nazgul]

As you said, this is the wrong thread. Regardless I have been going through this as I can not let your dismissal go unopposed. With that said your AI plagiarism continues to get worse and more blatant with each post.

Calling the baby teeth testing results noise for example still doesn't explain the disparity with the rest of the global population. It also doesn't explain the testimony or the records.

/shrug

When I brought the German successful nuclear testing up it wasn't to derail your thread it was to illustrate a point.

It is not the wrong thread it is my thread and it fits. This is a forum of ideas and discussion, your input is most valuable though I may disagree on some matters.

The Industrial Audit: Why Hearsay Doesn't Override Thermodynamics

You’re falling back on a "shrug" and "testimony" because you can’t answer the Energy Inputs. In a court of law, a witness matters; in a Nuclear Systems Audit, the Power Grid matters more.

1. The "Baby Teeth" Data Error

You claim the Strontium-90 levels in German baby teeth are "inexplicable." I’m challenging you to provide the Isotopic Signature that distinguishes a 100g "dirty" test in a forest from the 150+ Megaton-scale Allied atmospheric tests of the 1950s.
The Physics: Strontium-90 is a fission byproduct. By 1955, the global "noise" from the US, USSR, and UK H-bomb tests (like Castle Bravo, 1,000x more powerful than Hiroshima) created a baseline that would drown out a sub-critical experiment in Thuringia. Without a specific isotopic report, you are just looking at a local spike in a global ocean of fallout.

2. The 14f13 Loop (The "Records")

You mention "records," but you ignore the 14f13 Administrative Loop. As I’ve noted, the Ohrdruf "experiments" your own sources cite involved the "wastage" of concentration camp units.

The Reality: This isn't "Secret Weapon" progress; it’s a documented industrial triage of a state so energy-starved they were using "expendable units" as laboratory sensors. A state that is liquidating its "manpower variable" to save on kJ/kcal is a state in systemic collapse, not on the verge of a nuclear breakthrough. This fits with this thread no issues.

3. The "AI" Deflection

Accusing a professional audit of kJ/kcal math and Isotope Separation of being "AI plagiarism" is a convenient way to avoid the fact that you can’t account for the Electricity. I’ve taught nuclear physics—I don't need a bot to tell me that you can't run a Manhattan Project (which required 10% of the US grid) while your own industrial base is being decimated by the 94 million (Holocaust) war.

The Bottom Line:

You are looking for a "flash" in a forest (The Hardware). I am looking at the Industrial Audit (The Operating System). If the Electricity and the Calories don't balance, the testimony is just noise.
You're in the trench; I'm looking at the circuit board. Enjoy the "shrug," but the thermodynamics don't change.

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Their enrichment method was 90% more efficient than gas diffusion, it's right there in the article man. Your guess at the energy required is almost an order of magnitude too high.

You also simply dismiss out of hand the physical evidence of successful testing as noise and the witness accounts as hearsay.

If we were talking about literal trace background levels and the suspension of physical law, I could understand. We aren't however, we are talking about testimony and physical evidence congruent with the claim.

Again, this goes in another thread. We have strayed far from 14f13.

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Their enrichment method was 90% more efficient than gas diffusion, it's right there in the article man. Your guess at the energy required is almost an order of magnitude too high.

You also simply dismiss out of hand the physical evidence of successful testing as noise and the witness accounts as hearsay.

If we were talking about literal trace background levels and the suspension of physical law, I could understand. We aren't however, we are talking about testimony and physical evidence congruent with the claim.

Again, this goes in another thread. We have strayed far from 14f13.

It is relevant as 14f13 people were involved. I enjoy your research so keep it coming

I appreciate the technical detail on the enrichment efficiency—methods like the Bagge isotope sluice or the Korsching solar-resonance were theoretically brilliant and did aim for that higher efficiency over gas diffusion. It shows the level of ingenuity the German scientists were working with.

However, from a Systems Analysis perspective, the 'Efficiency' of the unit doesn't solve the Insolvency of the Grid.

1. The 'Coherence' Problem

Even a '90% more efficient' centrifuge or sluice is only a single node in a massive Industrial Waveform. To get to a weapons-grade yield, you need a stable 'cascade' of thousands of these units running in perfect coherence. By 1945, the 94 million (Holocaust) war had decimated the German power grid. No matter how efficient the individual machine was, the Systemic Entropy—the lack of stable coal, electricity, and transport—made a successful production run a physical impossibility.

By comparing his "90% more efficient" machine to a platoon of 12 soldiers trying to hold off an army of 10,000, you’ve exposed the "Efficiency Trap." It doesn't matter if those 12 soldiers are the best in history; the Systems Entropy (the sheer volume of the opposition and the lack of support) makes the outcome a mathematical certainty.


2. The 14f13 Anchor (Why it fits this thread)

We haven't strayed from 14f13; it is the ultimate proof of this industrial insolvency. Your own source mentions concentration camp prisoners killed in the Ohrdruf tests.
The Triage: This is the 14f13 Administrative Loop in action. A state on the verge of a nuclear breakthrough would treat its 'Manpower Variable' as a precious resource. Instead, they were using Industrial Triage to liquidate 'expendable units' just to maintain a basic research rhythm.
The Audit: 14f13 was the code for 'wastage' (Abgang). It proves the regime was so energy-starved it was 'cannibalizing' its own workers to save on kJ/kcal.

3. The 'Data Noise' Challenge

I’m not dismissing the baby teeth as 'noise' out of hand; I’m applying a Nuclear Scale Audit. Between 1945 and 1963, the US and USSR detonated 440 Megatons of atmospheric devices. To a physicist, that is a 'Signal' so massive it creates a global baseline. To find a 100g German 'fingerprint' in that ocean of fallout, you'd need an Isotopic Ratio report that specifically distinguishes 1945 fission from 1955 H-bomb fallout.

A 100g tactical device is like a swimmer farting in the ocean and expecting a tsunami. It’s noise. The real 'Signal' of 1945 was the 14f13 Administrative Loop—a state so energy-starved it was using Industrial Triage to liquidate its own manpower just to maintain a basic research rhythm. 14f13 was the code for 'wastage' (Abgang). It proves the regime was so bankrupt it was 'cannibalizing' its own workers to save on kJ/kcal."

The Bottom Line:

The German scientists had the Fuel (the Heisenberg cubes) and the Ingenuity (the efficiency), but the 14f13 loop proves they lacked the Engine. They were trying to build a Ferrari in a garage while the power was cut and the house was on fire.
I’m interested in your thread on the 'Records,' but the Industrial Ledger of 1945 simply doesn't balance for a successful bomb

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They had jet fighter aircraft, stealth technology, rpg's, manpads, ballistic missiles, the fissile material, the best method of enrichment, but making bomb go bang is a bridge too far, got it.

14f13 was wildly unpopular, just like t4 and was ultimately banned.

Regarding the fingerprint of the test, and the pool fart analogy, if you sample the gas, it doesn't matter how big the pool is. The evidence is the disparity with the global population. The peak from the noise of atmospheric testing.

The Germans weren't murderous psychopaths. They lost a war and resources dried up and epidemics ran rough shod over they population. Germans and internees alike.

I'd say 'at least internees were spared being destroyed from the air', but, that's not even true, Nordhausen being a bit of a case in point.

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The Germans weren't murderous psychopaths. They lost a war and resources dried up and epidemics ran rough shod over they population. Germans and internees alike.

I'd say 'at least internees were spared being destroyed from the air', but, that's not even true, Nordhausen being a bit of a case in point.

In the Nazi system, the SS-WVHA and the RSHA were states-within-a-state. If the central government "banned" the public T4 program to appease the Church or public outcry, the 14f13 administrative loop simply moved into the camp system where there was zero public oversight. The "police" or civil courts had no jurisdiction inside the barbed wire.

I appreciate the technical list of 'Hardware' (jets, V2s, RPGs), but as someone who builds rockets as a hobby and won't settle for a Thrust-to-Weight ratio of less than 8:1, I can tell you that engineering isn’t just about 'brilliant ideas'—it’s about Energy Density.

1. The Rocketry Variable

A V2 rocket or a 50,000 ft hobby launch is a triumph of Chemical Propulsion. It is a high-performance system, but it is 'Local.' You can build a rocket in a well-equipped workshop with a few dedicated engineers. I have a deep respect for the engineering of the V2, but it is a chemical machine, not a nuclear one.

2. The Nuclear Variable (The Scale Gap)

A nuclear bomb is not a 'Local' system; it is a Macro-Industrial system.
The Audit: To enrich enough for a weapon, you don’t just need a '90% efficient' machine; you need thousands of them running in a stable 'cascade' that consumes Giga-Watts of electricity.

The Constraint: By 1945, the 94 million (Holocaust) war had decimated the German power grid. No matter how efficient the individual machine was, the Systemic Entropy—the lack of stable coal and electricity—meant the 'Thrust' of their industry couldn't lift the 'Weight' of a nuclear program. They lacked the Industrial 8:1 Ratio.

3. The 14f13 Evidence

This is why Action 14f13 is the 'smoking gun' of their failure. Your own source mentions concentration camp prisoners killed in these tests.

The Triage: This is the Industrial Triage of the Shoah in action. A state on the verge of a nuclear breakthrough treats its manpower as a precious resource. Instead, the Reich was using 14f13 to liquidate 'expendable units' just to save on the fuel and food bill (kJ/kcal). 14f13 was the code for Industrial Insolvency. Notice im keeping my own thread on track LOL.

4. The 'Sample' and the Scale

Regarding the 'pool fart'—if you sample the gas, you can indeed find the 'fart,' but only if the 'Ocean' (the 150+ Megaton Allied atmospheric tests) hasn’t already drowned it out.

The Physics: Strontium-90 from a 100g tactical 'flash' is identical to Sr-90 from a 15-Megaton H-bomb. Without a specific Isotopic Fingerprint report (which distinguishes 1945 fission from 1955 fallout), the 'disparity' in baby teeth remains a data point lost in a global ocean of Allied fallout.

The Conclusion:
The German scientists had the Fuel (the Heisenberg cubes) and the Ingenuity (the jets and efficiency), but the 14f13 loop proves they lacked the Engine. They were building brilliant prototypes in a house that was already bombed. The Industrial Ledger of 1945 simply doesn't balance for a successful nuclear device of explosive potentiality.

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Over yield of a small scale tactical nuclear weapon isn't 14f13.

That they developed a tactical nuke rather than a strategic one says two things, material was limited (obviously) and they were interested in precision not accuracy by volume.

Amateur rocketry, being an explosive expert and a nuclear physicist to the side, you aren't actually looking you are shouting, through an echo chamber of an LLM, and as you do so you are telling me, just a guy, 'well you use an LLM then'. That type of intellectual masturbation doesn't interest me.

I'm no nuclear physicist, I'm no rocket scientist and I'm not an explosives engineer. I can tell you the evidence of German nuclear weapons testing is supported by physical evidence, that the v2 was completely unparalleled and that you cannot render TNT with an open flame, in an unsealed vat, unvented in a warehouse by the bucket.

/shrug

[Nazgul]

I'd say 'at least internees were spared being destroyed from the air', but, that's not even true, Nordhausen being a bit of a case in point.

This could well be a separate thread but as it involves 14f13 people it can stay here. Thank you for reminding me of this history.

The 14f13 Administrative Loop at Mittelbau-Dora

Action 14f13 was a campaign specifically designed to legally murder concentration camp prisoners who were sick, elderly, or no longer fit for work. These individuals were separated during a selection process—often by visiting medical commissions—and sent to killing facilities.

Mobile Selection: In Mittelbau-Dora, the SS developed a system of "mobile selection." Inmates deemed "worn out" or "less valuable" were systematically transferred to harsher Kommandos, subcamps, infirmaries, or specific "death blocks" until they died off.

Expansion of the Loop: Initially in operation from 1941 to 1944, the 14f13 program eventually covered various groups of "unfit" prisoners. In 1944, authorities at camps like Sachsenhausen began sending "unfit" prisoners specifically to Bergen-Belsen as part of this process.

The "Sanitarium" Facade: In earlier phases, 14f13 selections from camps like Sachsenhausen were transported to Sonnenstein, a sanitarium equipped with a gas chamber, where they were murdered by medical professionals.

Industrial Triage: Transfers to Lublin and Bergen-Belsen
When the industrial efficiency of the V2 production was threatened by a buildup of sick inmates, the 14f13 loop triggered "extermination transports" to clear the camp’s "inventory."

Transfers to Bergen-Belsen: In March 1944, approximately 1,000 ill, mostly non-Jewish forced labourers were transferred from Mittelbau-Dora to the Häftlingslager section of Bergen-Belsen. This section lacked official medical staff or dispensaries; within a month, more than one-third of these prisoners were dead. Schlomo Pivnik survived this.

Transfers to Lublin (Majdanek): In early 1944 and again in March 1945, over 5,000 dying persons were sent on "extermination transports" from Mittelbau-Dora to Lublin (Majdanek) and Bergen-Belsen.

The Boelcke-Kaserne "Death Camp": In January 1945, the SS established a subcamp at the Boelcke-Kaserne in Nordhausen. It served as a central death camp for the Mittelbau complex, where severely debilitated inmates were sent from other subcamps. Within three months, nearly one in two inmates—roughly 6,000 people—died there.

The Human Cost of the V2 "Hardware"

The industrial scale of the V2 program was directly linked to the attrition of its slave labour force.
Wastage Numbers: Of the approximately 60,000 prisoners deported to Mittelbau-Dora, at least 20,000 did not survive.

Initial Attrition: During the first six months of underground tunnel excavation (late 1943), over 6,000 prisoners died or were sent to their deaths in other camps—a rate so high the SS eventually installed an on-site crematorium.

Unregistered Deaths: During the April 1945 liberation, American troops found 1,300 corpses in the Boelcke-Kaserne and another 1,300 within the tunnels of Mittelbau-Dora; none of these deaths had been registered in the camp’s official administration records.

Contextualizing the Allied Bombing

The argument that prisoners were "spared being destroyed from the air" is complicated by the 14f13 triage that was already killing them.

The Nordhausen Raids: On April 3 and 4, 1945, the British Royal Air Force bombed Nordhausen, unaware the Wehrmacht barracks (Boelcke-Kaserne) had been converted into a subcamp. The raids killed up to 1,500 prisoners.

Denial of Shelter: Unlike their German guards, concentration camp inmates and forced labourers were denied entrance to bomb shelters during these attacks.

Acceleration of Death: While the bombing did not trigger the final clearance of the camps, it significantly accelerated the forced evacuations and subsequent death marches, during which an estimated 8,000 additional prisoners died.
The Final Audit: The 14f13 Operating System & the Fritz Reinhardt Variable
To understand the Shoah, we must look past the "Wunderwaffen" and the "firewood." The reality is found in the administrative software that governed the Third Reich: a system of Rushed Laws and Industrial Triage.

Addend

1. The Fritz Reinhardt Variable: A Customs Audit of Murder

A major administrative "glitch" in the traditional narrative is the presence of the Zollgrenzschutz (Customs Border Guard) at camps like Sobibór.


The Chain of Command: These officers were not RSHA soldiers; they were part of the Finance Ministry under State Secretary Fritz Reinhardt.


Zoll officer sitting in chair at Sobibor

The "Reinhardt" Connection: While many historians associate "Aktion Reinhard" with Reinhard Heydrich, the "dt" spelling—Aktion Reinhardt—and the customs presence point directly to Fritz Reinhardt’s department.

The Logical Output: These camps functioned as High-Velocity Customs Nodes. The state’s primary goal was a Financial Audit: stripping populations of their gold, currency, and property. Once the Finance Ministry (Reinhardt) had accounted for the assets, the human beings were coded as "wastage."


2. The 14f13 Loop: The "Software" of Disposal
The actual killing was managed by the 14f13 Administrative Loop (Sonderbehandlung 14f13).


The Triage: Originally a euthanasia protocol for the sick, 14f13 became the "industrial delete button" for any "unproductive unit" in the camp system.

No "Special" Status: Whether it was the 500 children in Mežaparks dying of measles, the 6,000 at Boelcke-Kaserne (Nordhausen) dying of exhaustion, or the thousands at Sobibór, the lethal software was the same. Every camp was a "death camp" because every camp was running the 14f13 Operating System.


3. The Industrial Insolvency of 1945

The "Secret Nuke" theory at Ohrdruf fails because it ignores the Industrial Ledger.
The Energy Gap: Enrichment requires a massive, stable power grid (like Oak Ridge, which used 10% of the US grid).
The Proof of Failure: By 1945, the Reich was in such terminal decay they were using 14f13 to liquidate "unproductive" workers to save on kJ/kcal (food/fuel). A state that is triaging its own manpower to save on bread and coal cannot mathematically sustain a nuclear program.

4. The Individual Metric: The Shoah vs. The Holocaust

The Holocaust (The 100 Million): The total systemic collapse of two World Wars—the statistical noise of a global tragedy.

The Shoah (The BFF Metric): The targeted, industrialised deletion of the human variable. If the state codes your best friend as "wastage" through 14f13 neglect, it isn't an "accident of war"—it is a systemic crime.

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Holy shit Nazgul, where to start. They bombed a fucking hospital, should it matter that it was not filled with injured soldiers and was instead full of injured internees, who, you know, weren't murdered under 14f13?

Yes, people died during ww2, yes, people continued to die after record keeping stopped. That wasn't 'an effort to hide the deaths', it was an inability to record them.

In a few short months, between 1941 and 1943, over 10,000 people were euthanized under 14f13, because they were incurable, and suffering. It sucks. Would the expense in resources and manpower for hospice to ride them down into death during a war have been better? To some. To me, 14f13 was a mercy, not an evil.

[Nazgul]

I'm no nuclear physicist, I'm no rocket scientist and I'm not an explosives engineer. I can tell you the evidence of German nuclear weapons testing is supported by physical evidence, that the v2 was completely unparalleled and that you cannot render TNT with an open flame, in an unsealed vat, unvented in a warehouse by the bucket.

I can tell you know nothing of nuclear physics. You simply do not have the capacity to understand the complexity of what you are reading, though I applaud you for trying. It is hard work. You know nothing about explosives, let alone the intricate chemistry behind them. You remind me of a child who knows a little arithmetic trying to discuss calculus with someone like Fermi.

But let's get real about your 'Hardware' shopping list:

1. The Energy Gap: You can list jets, V2s, and RPGs all day. That’s chemical engineering. A nuke is a macro-industrial feat. To get even 100g of enriched material, you need an enrichment cascade. The Manhattan Project used 10% of the entire US electrical grid for that. By 1945, the German grid was decimated by a war that killed nearly 100 million people. Where did the Giga-Watts come from for your 'Secret Oak Ridge'? If you can’t account for the electricity and the calories, you don't have a weapon; you have a failed lab experiment.

2. The 14f13 Evidence: You say 'over-yield isn't 14f13.' You’re missing the forest for the trees. Your own source admits concentration camp prisoners were killed in those Ohrdruf tests. That is the 14f13 Administrative Loop in action. A state on the verge of a breakthrough doesn't treat its manpower as disposable sensors to save on the fuel bill. 14f13 was the code for Industrial Insolvency. They were cannibalizing their own workers because the system was out of energy.

3. The Swimmer Fart: About the baby teeth—a 100g 'dirty flash' is like a swimmer farting in the ocean and expecting a tsunami. The 150+ Allied Megaton tests in the 50s created a global ocean of Strontium-90. To claim a 1945 'fart' is the cause of a 1955 'disparity' is just bad math. You’re looking at a local ripple in a global ocean of Allied fallout.

4. The TNT and the Tunnels: You mentioned rendering TNT in open vats. Look at the Industrial Audit of HASAG. They weren't just 'rendering' it; they were filling shells in a high-toxicity environment without PPE, which led to the 'Yellow' poisonings. When those workers became unproductive, the 14f13 loop processed them as wastage.

I’m not 'shouting'; I’m auditing the industrial ledger. You’re looking at the 'Wunderwaffen' labels; I’m looking at the 14f13 paperwork that says the machine was out of fuel.

Enjoy the shrug, but the physics doesn't change.

[Nazgul]

Holy shit Nazgul, where to start. They bombed a fucking hospital, should it matter that it was not filled with injured soldiers and was instead full of injured internees, who, you know, weren't murdered under 14f13?

Yes, people died during ww2, yes, people continued to die after record keeping stopped. That wasn't 'an effort to hide the deaths', it was an inability to record them.

In a few short months, between 1941 and 1943, over 10,000 people were euthanized under 14f13, because they were incurable, and suffering. It sucks. Would the expense in resources and manpower for hospice to ride them down into death during a war have been better? To some. To me, 14f13 was a mercy, not an evil.

Calling 14f13 a 'mercy' is just the 1941 marketing brochure for a budget cut.

As a physicist, I don't look at the 'mercy' labels; I look at the Industrial Ledger. 14f13 wasn't about 'suffering'—it was the administrative code for Industrial Insolvency. They weren't 'ending lives'; they were deleting the Human Variable to save on kJ/kcal (food and fuel).

When a state decides who is 'unfit' just to balance a spreadsheet, it isn’t hospice care—it’s the Shoah.

Enjoy the 'shrug', but the thermodynamics of a failing industrial machine don't care about your version of kindness.

Anyhow I enjoy the discourse.