Treblinka location

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Report: Treblinka Region Camp Network and Historical Observations
Overview

The Treblinka area, northeast Poland, contained a cluster of camps during the Second World War, including sites now identified as T1 (Arbeitslager/quarry), TII (Judenlager), TIII (alleged extermination camp), and Kosów Podlaski/Kosów Lascki. Postwar reconstructions and memorialization have consolidated some of these sites under the label “Treblinka II”, but historical testimony and local knowledge suggest a more dispersed network.

Camp Sites and Layout

Yad Vashem says: Treblinka Extermination Camp, in the northeastern part of the Generalgouvernement Located 2.5 miles from the train station of Malkinia on the main line running from Warsaw to Bialystok.

The current TII was adjacent to the Malkinia-Siedlce trunk line. The above description aligns with Yankel Wierniks first map.

Encyclopedia of the Holocaust, says:

“[Treblinka] was situated in a sparsely populated area near Malkinia, a railway station on the main Warsaw-Białystok line; the camp’s precise location was 2.5 miles (4 km) north west of the village and railway stop of Treblinka. The site selected was heavily wooded and well hidden from view. The camp was laid out in a rectangle 1,312 feet wide by 1,968 feet long (400 x 600 m),

This camp called Treblinka is also put adjacent to the Warsaw -Bialystok trunk line not the Malkinia-Siedlce line as the current TII is. The line no longer exists. TII is trapezoid not rectangular. Perhaps they were viewing Wierniks first map?

Josef Hirtreiter

(1 February 1909 – 27 November 1978) was an SS functionary of Nazi Germany, Hirtreiter was arrested by the U.S. military in July 1946 for having served at Hadamar Euthanasia Centre. American officials were unable to pin anything on Hirtreiter regarding Hadamar, but he did confess to working at a camp called Malkinia. link

It was the judiciary who claimed that this man worked at Treblinka alleged extermination camp. He was effectively silenced.

T1 – Quarry (Arbeitslager)

Functioned primarily as a labor camp for non-Jewish civilians.

Witnesses such as Marion Oszuk worked there and regularly passed TII, describing it merely as a Judenlager with bartering, seeing nothing untoward.

Spatially separated from other camps, consistent with forced-labor operations.

TII – Judenlager

Rectangular layout: approximately 400 × 600 meters, as noted in historical sources (Encyclopedia of the Holocaust).

Located northeast of Wólka Ograglik, roughly 4 km from Treblinka railway station.

The location of TII monument is 1.2 km north east of the town, Wolka Ograglik.

On 6 November 1945, investigating judge Z Łukaszkiewicz, in the presence of J. Maciejewski, a prosecutor of the District Court in Siedlce, K. Trautsolt, a sworn ground surveyor, witnesses Samuel Rajzman and Henryk Rajchman-Romanowski and Stanisław Kucharek, village leader of Wólka Okrąglik, inspected the site where Treblinka death camp was located, Kosów Lacki municipality, Sokołów Podlaski district.

In the course of the activities, with the witnesses and the village leader consulted for information and explanations, the following facts were established:

The closest village, Wólka Okrąglik, located to the north-east of the camp, is some 1.5 kilometers away, while the distance to the closest railway station, Treblinka, located to the north-west, is around 4 kilometers.

Witnesses such as Eli Rosenberg reported trains stopping at Małkinia station, with wagons detached via sidings leading to the camp.

Eli Rosenberg eye witness said: I, Eli Rozenberg, born in 1924 in Warsaw, at 25 Gęsia Street. My father was murdered by the Germans in 1940. In August 1942, I was deported from the ghetto to Treblinka along with the rest of my family, we were packed 100 to a wagon. When the train stopped, it was already dawn I saw the Małkinia station through the little barred window, at that moment the Germans started detaching groups of 15 wagons that went on a special side-track leading to the camp, and when the wagons stopped, they started shouting raus, raus.

The site of the current TII is not a side track from the Malkinia railways station but on the Malkinia-Siedlce trunk line. The side track to TII was from Treblinka railway station to the Arbeitslager and Judenlagers.

Functioned as the primary site for housing Jewish prisoners for labor, rather than an alleged extermination facility.

869. 3030 Treblinka I
870. 3031 Treblinka I
http://www.deutschland-ein-denkmal.de/ (no longer active)

TIII – Alleged Extermination Camp

Identified in some historical reports and intelligence documents (Polish Army General Grot Rowecki) at Czerwony Bór, approximately 39 km north of Małkinia.

"The Treblinka-III camp was listed as "the death camp" for the Jews and was reported to be located at Czerwony Bor. As late as in 1944, its existence was also mentioned in the renowned wartime publication Ghetto Speaks published in New York (Encl. 6). The remote Czerwony Bor (Red Forest) was (and is) located forty kilometers north of the Treblinka-I and Treblinka-II camps. Additional documents regarding Treblinka-III are available from the Polish Historical Society in the USA (tel. 203--325--1079) and archives of the Polish Underground Study Trust in London (tel. 011-4481-992-6057)."

Postwar records list it as a smaller, operationally distinct camp, potentially intended for mass killings, though precise activities remain classified as alleged killing zones.

Image : US intelligence report

Kosów Podlaski/Kosów Lascki

Recognized in U.S. intelligence reports as a camp southeast of Ograklik.

Elders from the area also place an alleged extermination camp here, reflecting regional dispersion of facilities.

Observations from Maps and Testimonies


Image : US Intelligence report

Wiernik’s First Map (1943)

Rectangular layout, placed near the Warsaw–Białystok railway line, likely corresponding to Małkinia-area camp, possibly TII or a labor-adjacent facility.

Demonstrates internal road and structure organization, but geographic placement differs from the modern TII site.

Wierniks first TII map showing camp adjacent to the Warsaw-Bialystok trunk line


Wiernik’s Later Map (1945)

Adjusted to align with postwar assumptions of Treblinka II near the Siedlce line.

Internal layout preserved, but geographic orientation shifted, reflecting reconciliation with external expectations.

Official Survey Maps

Modern trapezoidal TII site south of Treblinka township, northeast of Ograk.

North is misoriented 90°, pointing east, a notable cartographic error.

Distances from Wólka Ograglik and Treblinka station were formally recorded in postwar inspections (Łukaszkiewicz, 1945).

Official survey map of TII with wrong orientation.

Railway and Transport Patterns

Transports stopped at Małkinia station, where prisoners were sorted and divided among labor and housing camps.

Sidings led directly to camp sites; groups of wagons detached for specific destinations.

Circular routes from Siedlce distributed prisoners to multiple Judenlager and alleged killing zones, complicating geographic identification.

Comparison of Malkinia camp image with Wierniks first map

Conclusion

The Treblinka region consisted of multiple interrelated sites: labor camps, housing camps for Jewish prisoners, and alleged killing zones. Postwar memorials and surveys consolidated some of these sites under the designation Treblinka II, but eyewitness testimony, local memory, and historical intelligence indicate a more complex and dispersed network.

Accordingly, claims that the current TII site represents the sole location of mass extermination should be treated with caution; alleged killings likely occurred at multiple alleged sites throughout the region if they happened at all.

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It's pretty funny that you can look through a hundred different testimonies and intelligence reports and label them all erroneous except for the very few which confirm some story you want to believe.

Thanks though for presenting evidence that intelligence services did actually believe or suspect extermination centers - in contrast to anything about corpse factories in ww1.

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It's pretty funny that you can look through a hundred different testimonies and intelligence reports and label them all erroneous except for the very few which confirm some story you want to believe.

Thanks though for presenting evidence that intelligence services did actually believe or suspect extermination centers - in contrast to anything about corpse factories in ww1.

I am simply presenting anomalies. Take or leave it I dont care.

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It's pretty funny that you can look through a hundred different testimonies and intelligence reports and label them all erroneous except for the very few which confirm some story you want to believe.

Thanks though for presenting evidence that intelligence services did actually believe or suspect extermination centers - in contrast to anything about corpse factories in ww1.

I am simply presenting anomalies. Take or leave it I dont care.

If an aura of impartiality is something you really want to achieve (and which I don't believe represents your true feelings on the matter) you should avoid statements like this, in which you explicitly label T2 as the Judenlager rather than [alleged] extermination facility

"Functioned as the primary site for housing Jewish prisoners for labor, rather than an alleged extermination facility."

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If an aura of impartiality is something you really want to achieve (and which I don't believe represents your true feelings on the matter) you should avoid statements like this, in which you explicitly label T2 as the Judenlager rather than [alleged] extermination facility

"Functioned as the primary site for housing Jewish prisoners for labor, rather than an alleged extermination facility."

"Analysis of the Sigrid Sigurdsson archives reveals a complex of multiple labour camps at Treblinka that contradicts the 'single-purpose' narrative of the site. By cross-referencing these archives with Deutsche Reichsbahn schedules, it becomes clear that the original geography of the Holocaust was far more fluid than modern portrayals suggest. In recent years, we have seen a systematic 'smoothing over' of these historical cracks. For instance, at Sobibór, official maps have been quietly adjusted to accommodate the Niemann Album photos, replacing the original 'Top Secret' layout with a retrofitted version. This suggests that the 'settled' history is actually a work-in-progress that is being revised to maintain a specific institutional consensus."

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You should ask your AI how it squares this statement with the fact that 99% of the available evidence points to single conclusion.

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You should ask your AI how it squares this statement with the fact that 99% of the available evidence points to single conclusion.

Your AI comment is off topic.

History is supposed to be based on evidence, but when you look at the actual primary records from the 1940s, they often tell a very different story from the "smoothed over" version we see today. If the narrative is truly absolute, why do these forensic contradictions exist?

1. The Missing Labour Network
The "Deutschland ein Denkmal" project (a massive, German-state-funded academic undertaking) documented over 4,000 Jewish labour camps. My research into these archives shows that Treblinka wasn't just a "death rectangle"—it had two specific Judenlagers attached to the quarry. When you cross-reference this with FPLO (Train Order) 587, you find trains stopping for hours at these labour hubs before moving back to Warsaw or Siedlce. It stopped 6.5 hours at Treblinka railway station. Why is this return loop and distribution window deleted from the official "Terminal" narrative?

2. The 2:1 Westward Ratio
Survivor memoirs, like Peter Lantos’s Parallel Lines, provide a logistical checkmate. Lantos documents that of three transports leaving his area in Hungary, two went West to Austrian labour and forestry camps while only one went East. If the "99% of evidence" points to a pure extermination policy, how do we explain the thousands of "selectees" like Lantos who were diverted into the 300+ labour camps I've tracked in Austria?

3. The Visible "Secret"
We are told Sobibór was a "top secret" black hole, yet the Niemann Album (1943) shows the camp entrance with massive flagpoles and a 2.4-metre sign reading "SS-Sonderkommando." This was positioned right across from a public railway station. The Zollgrenzschutz (Customs) officer seen in those photos having a beer with the SS proves the site was a functional, high-traffic border and administrative hub—not a hidden, "razed" forest.

4. The "Street View" Contradiction
The institutional claim is that the Nazis "razed every trace to the ground." But if you go onto Google Street View, the Commandant’s House (The Schwalbennest) is still standing right where it was in the Niemann photos. I’ve noticed that since these photos surfaced, official maps have been quietly "revised" and buildings "rotated" 90 degrees to hide the technical errors made by early investigators (like the 1945 Trautsolt survey’s botched North arrow).

The Bottom Line:
I’m not interested in moral labels; I’m interested in the receipts. When you audit the FPLO rail logs, the archived camp databases, and the surviving physical buildings, you see a logistical system that has been systematically "smoothed over" to maintain a narrative that the primary evidence simply doesn't support in its current form.

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Your AI comment is off topic.

History is supposed to be based on evidence, but when you look at the actual primary records from the 1940s, they often tell a very different story from the "smoothed over" version we see today. If the narrative is truly absolute, why do these forensic contradictions exist?

Sorry. Whoever wrote that for you, since you put it in quotes.

99% or more of the evidence supports the orthodox conclusion, including testimony from all the rail worker, who would best be in a position to know where the Jews were being delivered (south of Malkinia).

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So you’re referring to Franciszek Ząbecki, the station master at Treblinka?

Ząbecki (8 October 1907 – 11 April 1987) served as a dispatcher at the Treblinka village station during the German occupation. He was also a clandestine member of the Polish underground Armia Krajowa (AK), gathering and reporting information on rail transports to the resistance.

Despite his proximity and long tenure at the station, Ząbecki produced only one known photograph—taken after the revolt, when the camp area was already burning. Notably, there are no photographs from him showing continuous smoke plumes, despite later claims of daily, large-scale cremations.

That absence does not in itself prove or disprove events, but it does raise legitimate questions about how later descriptions align with contemporaneous, first-hand observation and documentation.

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No I mean all the rail worker testimonies, see here for some

https://www.holocausthistoricalsociety. ... ments.html

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No I mean all the rail worker testimonies, see here for some

https://www.holocausthistoricalsociety. ... ments.html

Thank you for sharing these testimonies. My original post was focused on the location of the alleged Treblinka II extermination camp, and these statements provide interesting context for that discussion. It’s worth noting that many of the witnesses, including railway staff and local labourers, may have been referring to the Kosów Lacki site, and as one witness mentions Wiernik, some observations could relate to the Malkinia location noted by several of the testimonies in the OP.

Looking at these accounts together:

Access and perspective matter – Most witnesses were external observers or temporary forced labourers. Their accounts describe sights, sounds, and activity from a distance, rather than continuous internal access to camp operations.

Retrospective reconstruction – Survivors like Szyja Warszawski, who claimed internal access as a skilled carpenter, may have combined direct observation with inferred or reconstructed details after the fact.

Variation in detail – Dates, numbers, and technical descriptions differ across the testimonies, likely reflecting memory, estimation, or post-event consolidation.

Contextual value – Despite differences, the testimonies consistently highlight the movement of transports and the suffering witnessed. They provide important context for understanding how people perceived activity around Treblinka II.

In short, these accounts are valuable, but like all witness statements, they require careful contextualization and cross-checking with other evidence, especially when trying to correlate observations with specific locations. Approaching them this way allows discussion of the camp’s positioning while remaining analytically cautious.

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No I mean all the rail worker testimonies, see here for some

https://www.holocausthistoricalsociety. ... ments.html

It’s worth noting that many of the witnesses, including railway staff and local labourers, may have been referring to the Kosów Lacki site

This is blatantly incorrect, the railway staff testimony explicitly precludes the camp being north of Malkinia, unless you are saying they misspoke. If you want to ignore the fact that evidence overwhelmingly supports the camp being in the described location, that's your prerogative, but it's an approach I can't respect and no one should. The discussion of 'suffering' and 'contextual value' is just a distraction from this point, which you can see clearly with the railway staff testimony. You'll probably go through this again though, not directly answer to my point, which makes any further back and forth pointless for me.

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This is blatantly incorrect, the railway staff testimony explicitly precludes the camp being north of Malkinia, unless you are saying they misspoke. If you want to ignore the fact that evidence overwhelmingly supports the camp being in the described location, that's your prerogative, but it's an approach I can't respect and no one should. The discussion of 'suffering' and 'contextual value' is just a distraction from this point, which you can see clearly with the railway staff testimony. You'll probably go through this again though, not directly answer to my point, which makes any further back and forth pointless for me.

It is noted that the above post is in response to the following I said:

It’s worth noting that many of the witnesses, including railway staff and local labourers, may have been referring to the Kosów Lacki site.

Kosow Lacki is south of the Treblinka II memorial.

It appears your 'respect' for the evidence stops where the map begins. To suggest that railway testimony 'precludes' a camp north of Małkinia is to ignore the primary intelligence of the Polish Underground.

1. The Grot-Rowecki Reconnaissance:
General Grot-Rowecki, the Commander-in-Chief of the Home Army, explicitly identified Czerwony Bór—located 40 km north of the Małkinia junction—as the 'death camp' (Treblinka III) in his 1942/43 reports
Did the leader of the Polish resistance 'misspeak,' or are you simply ignoring contemporary military intelligence because it disrupts your 'simple narrative'?

2. The Logistics of the Rail Spur:
You rely on testimony about wagons being detached at Małkinia station to a 'special side-track.' However, the current TII memorial sits directly on the Małkinia-Siedlce trunk line, not a side-track from the station. The actual spur ran from the Treblinka railway station toward the high-visibility Judenlagers and the T1 Quarry. If the witnesses saw Małkinia and were moved via a spur, they were likely being moved to a different perimeter than the one currently memorialised.

3. The Wiernik Contradiction:
If we are to 'respect the evidence,' why does the primary witness, Yankel Wiernik, place the camp on the Warsaw–Białystok mainline in his 1943 map, only to 'reconcile' it to the Siedlce line in 1945?
Furthermore, why does the official 1945 survey map for the TII site have North misoriented by 90° (pointing East)?

4. The Functional Truth of Negligence:
The discussion of 'suffering' is not a distraction—it is the forensic data point. Treblinka I (the Quarry) saw a 50% mortality rate (10,000 deaths) through the same 'calculated neglect' I’ve documented with the HASAG factories. The authorities knew the lethal risks of industrial chemicals and exhaustion—a parallel proven by the British 'Canary Girls'—and chose to ignore them.

When the maps, the track layouts, and the military intelligence of the Home Army all contradict the 'simple narrative' of a single camp, we aren't 'ignoring evidence.' We are identifying a dispersed industrial network of labour and munitions sites, from Kosów Lacki to Czerwony Bór, where the 'yellow death' of neglect was the primary operator.

If your approach requires ignoring 90-degree map errors and contemporary reconnaissance, then you aren't doing research—you're defending a script.

Intelligence Identification: Early U.S. and Polish intelligence (such as reports by General Grot-Rowecki) did not point to a single "dot" in the woods. They identified a dispersed network of killing and labour sites, including Czerwony Bór to the north and Kosów Podlaski to the south.

You must explain why historical intelligence reports from 1942–1944—conducted while the camps were still operational—placed the primary "death camp" at Kosów Podlaski, far to the south of the Małkinia junction.

Administrative Reality: Treblinka I (the Quarry) was administratively part of the Kosów Lacki municipality. This high-visibility industrial site, with its separate Judenlagers for men and women, was where 10,000 people died from "functional neglect". There was no need for gas chambers.

References:
[1] Spurgeon, A. (2003). Health and Safety in the Munitions Industry during WWI.
[2] Karay, F. (1996). Death Comes in Yellow: Skarżysko-Kamienna Hasag Slave Labor Camp.
[3] USHMM. Encyclopedia of Camps and Ghettos, 1933–1945.
[4] Muzeum Treblinka. Topography and History of the Camp Complex.

As my image hosting is currently being restored, I have plotted the coordinates on Google Earth: Kosów Lacki sits approximately 14 km south of the Małkinia junction.

This is a critical forensic anchor. I must remind readers that there was a high-visibility camp directly in Małkinia (frequently identified in contemporary reports as 'Treblinka'), while the administrative and industrial heart of the quarry system was centered in the Kosów Lacki district (Sokołów County, Masovian Voivodeship), to the south.

When U.S. Intelligence (referencing Kosów Podlaski) and local witnesses identify a 'death camp' in this southern sector, they are documenting the functional truth of a dispersed network of labor sites. This complex, which saw a 50% mortality rate through 'calculated neglect'—the same negligence mentioned in the 'yellow death' I’ve compared to the British Canary Girls—stretched across the entire 14 km corridor.

To suggest that railway testimony from the Małkinia station 'precludes' these southern and northern perimeters is to ignore the actual map. The 'Treblinka' of the 1940s was an industrial archipelago, not a single memorial site."

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Below is an image showing Treblinka camps within the Sokołów County, Masovian Voivodeship.

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the testimony precludes being that far south as well

Lucjan Puchala

Born 1897

Level Crossing Attendant with the Polish State Railways

"the gravel pit was near the extermination camp,"

Kosow lacki is over 10 km away from the gravel pit

Wladyslaw Chomka

Born 1893

Senior Track Worker with the Polish State Railways

"The part of the railway I supervise stretches from Malkinia as far as the second kilometer after the Treblinka station in the direction of Kosow."

He did not supervise near Kosow

Kazimierz Gawkowski

Born 1899

Points Man with the Polish State Railways

"A transport usually consisted of 60 wagons; after it had arrived at the Treblinka railway station, it was divided into three parts, each with 20 wagons, which were gradually moved onto the ramp of the Treblinka extermination camp. This was done by a shunting steam engine, which came to the Treblinka railway station from Malkinia, specially for that purpose."

Treblinka station is 10 km for Kosow

Stanislaw Borowy

Born 1908

Train Dispatcher with the Polish State Railways

"After having arrived at [Treblinka] station, each transport was divided into three parts, since there was room for only 20 wagons on the loading ramp of the camp. Each part of the transport was moved onto the ramp with a shunting steam engine."

Jozef Kuzminski

Born 1909

Station Master Treblinka - Polish State Railways

"At the beginning of January 1943, I was transferred to the Treblinka railway station, where I was to work as a station-master. I worked there until the arrival of the Red Army.

Because of my work at the Treblinka railway station, I know exactly what the procedure for a transport was from its arrival at the Treblinka railway station."

Jozef Pogorzelski

Born 1911

Train Dispatcher with the Polish State Railways

Interviewed on October 18, 1945, in Sokolow by Judge Zdzislaw Lukaszkiewicz

As far as I can remember, in June 1942, I was transferred to the Treblinka railway station, where I was to work as a train dispatcher. I worked as one until the arrival of the Red Army.

Some time after the first transports - I can remember that the first transports came in the second half of July 1942 - there was a horrible smell of dead bodies wafting to the station, and it was then that we all realized that there was another camp in Treblinka, next to the labour camp - an extermination camp.

As for the way the transports were handled at the Treblinka railway station, it was as follows

It's crazy to take these testimonies at face value and still believe they were really talking about a totally separate location. Just say they were repeating Soviet lies, that's much more intellectually honest.

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It's crazy to take these testimonies at face value and still believe they were really talking about a totally separate location. Just say they were repeating Soviet lies, that's much more intellectually honest.

It is actually quite helpful that you’ve provided these specific testimonies, as they perfectly illustrate the "forensic gap" I’ve been discussing. Far from precluding my position, they provide the primary evidence for a genocide of attrition.

1. The "Smell" as Forensic Data (1942–1943):

Take Pogorzelski’s statement: he documents a "horrible smell" in July 1942 and then infers a second camp to explain it. This isn't "Soviet lies"; it is a forensic observation of the 1942 Typhus Epidemic. By the time transports arrived from the Warsaw Ghetto, typhus was already rampant. In an industrial complex like the Treblinka I Quarry, where 10,000 people died from disease, exhaustion, and "calculated neglect," the stench of mortality would be overwhelming. To a pointsman 2km away, that catastrophic mortality is the "death camp."

2. The Hunger Plan and the Heer:

You question the timing, but the prioritization of the Heer was formal policy by 1942 under the Backe-Plan (Hunger Plan). This established a "hierarchy of consumption" where all high-quality nutrition was diverted to the military and German civilians, leaving those in the camps on a 20% "starvation ration." The death at Treblinka wasn't just a 1945 infrastructure collapse; it was a 1942 policy of manufactured attrition.

3. The Shunting Logic:.

The witnesses describe 20-wagon shuttles to a "ramp." Logistically, this spur serviced the high-visibility industrial quarry and the Judenlagers. By providing these accounts, you’ve confirmed the massive scale of transport movement into an industrial labor site that had a 50% mortality rate. This is the Functional Truth of the Shoah—a system where "annihilation through labour" was the primary operator.

4. On "Intellectual Honesty":

You suggest it’s more "honest" to dismiss these men as liars. I find it more rigorous to accept their authentic observations of death and then identify the actual cause. If you prefer a "simple script" over a complex forensic analysis of map misorientation (90 degrees), administrative district hubs (Kosów Lacki), and industrial neglect, that is your prerogative.

However, thank you for sharing these accounts; they provide the "smell" of the very policy of attrition I have been documenting. It seems we agree on the catastrophe, even if we differ on the mechanics.