The murder mill Treblinka II

[Stubble]

Dude, you unironically said they buried the dead outside the wire in the trees and shit. You actually said that, with a straight face.

No. They buried them and then over the next 70 years trees grew in that area.

I'm sorry, what? If you would kindly highlight where the population of Seattle was buried, I'd appreciate it. If you need an image of the area with an overlay, I'd suggest the CSC thesis linked in this thread.

Pay special attention to the bounds of the camp and where 'the wire' was located as that is a 'hard bound'.

Nobody talks about dragging the corpses outside of the extermination area to bury them and nobody talks about opening graves outside of the extermination area to cremate the bodies, so, if jews were buried where the trees are now, those graves are not only extant but contain bodies in whole.

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Caroline Coll's GPR results are such an own goal. Courtesy of Blake from SSF- the covered-up areas of Treblinka are only about 1.6 hectares. Given that Colls found no significant mass graves of a corresponding size or shape to those alleged outside the covered areas, they rely on an absurd hope that 100% of the covered area covers the real mass graves. But the actual possible areas those mass graves could be theoretically is no more than 2 hectares for the burial of 700,000-800,000 people, with 1.6 hectares of that being covered areas which most certainly is not all grave space.



AFAIK the memorial stones weren't even placed in those areas based on any rigorous scientific study. The Treblinka Story is so incredibly weak it's absurd.

Stubble, given 1.6 hectares is 16000 meters, and one could dig down 5 meters, that area could theoretically hold grave space of 50,000 cubic meters.

We also have reports of early burning at Treblinka, https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... orpse.html, which would reduce grave space requirements an unknown amount.

Treblinka has only been disproven in your silly silly head. The best thing you can do is argue for the possibility it didn't happen.

[Stubble]

Now, go look at the GPR returns and read the descriptions.

The grave space is a thimble.

if you connect all the returns and assume contiguous mass graves to a depth of 5 meters the population of Seattle fits in the hole, so, proven.

Look, if that had been the grave space, how on earth did the artillery strike or the apostles miss such a huge pair of mass graves? Unfortunately, no mass graves were ever found. Not 1.

[bombsaway]

I don't feel like looking it up. Quote them for me if you want to continue this.

[Stubble]

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Then you should have said 18 Olympic swimming pools Nessie, because your 56 number is volume, not area.

You weren't talking about area, you were talking about volume, hence you said that the space would accommodate 850,000 bodies.

Regardless, there was also a tile found near a steam delousing chamber, out by the kitchen.

Anybody find the well head, or na?

For posterity;

(Twice the population of liverpool are said to have been murdered, buried, dug up, put on bbq grilles and cremated then their ashes put, somewhere, on this spot. My question is, where...)

This aerial photo, of the camp as it was in 2011, with the areas that the survey found to have disturbed ground, compared to the size of the camp and how much is taken up by trees and the memorial, will be ignored by so-called revisionists;



The description of the pits around the main memorial;

""Five pits were located with the GPR (G50-G54) on the eastern side of the Death
Camp (Figures 4.29 and 4.34). Although the GPR survey was unable to achieve a large
enough depth range to determine the full extent of these pits, it is possible to say
that they were all deeper than four metres and that they were all of considerable
size in plan (G50 was visible to an extent of 34m x 12m, G51-19m x 12m, G52 – 22m
x c.15m, G53 – c.18m x 7m and G54 was visible to 20.8m x c. 14m). Given their
location in the area thought to contain most of the mass graves and their proximity
to the memorial, there is a strong case for arguing that they represent further
disposals. Similarly, they appear too large to be a result of post-war looting activity.
Similarly, to the west of the memorial in this area a further feature was identified
that was also bisected by the concrete (G36). This feature was shown to be
rectilinear in plan within the GPR results and is located in the area believed to have
contained graves and, as noted by many witnesses, the cremation pyres."

Now, because you could not bury the population of Liverpool, twice over, in that space, apparently there are no mass graves at TII, is the nonsensical argument. But, they are only a small part of the entire area, within which the mass graves were located. There will be mass graves in the trees and under the memorial, as there was no way the Poles, in the 1960s, could have managed to only planted or covered over undisturbed ground, leaving the only pits in open ground.

Add that to Nazi, Jewish and Polish descriptions of excavators digging at the camp, the Kurt Franz photos of excavators at the camp and the 1944 aerial photo and 1945 ground photos, showing large areas of disturbed ground containing cremated human remains and, only in the conspiratorial world of so-called revisionists, is there not enough evidence to prove mass graves.

To view where the wire was, you are going to have to click on my quoted post of myself, because the attachments didn't carry over. Sorry about that. Regardless, there aren't 'mass graves covered by trees' in the extermination area.

You basically have g51, g52, g53 and g54. That's, a fucking thimble.

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Yeah and the grave area is also covered up by forests (in the photo shown + a memorial which couldn't be scanned.

The largely emptied graves were reported by the examiner to be 6-7 meters deep.

The largest of the craters produced by explosions (numerous fragments attest to the fact that these explosions were set off by bombs), which is at maximum 6 meters deep and has a diameter of about 25 meters – its walls give recognizable evidence of the presence of a large quantity of ashes as well as human remains – was further excavated in order to discover the depth of the pit in this part of the camp. Numerous human remains were found by these excavations, partially still in a state of decomposition.[208] The soil consists of ashes interspersed with sand, is of a dark gray color and granulous in form. During the excavations, the soil gave off an intense odor of burning and decay. At a depth of 7.5 meters the bottom was reached, which consisted of layers of unmixed sand.

You need grave area of around 6000 square meters to reach around 40,000 cubic meters total

CSC mesaured 1500 square meters. So what? Again much of the area is wooded, covered by memorial so they couldn't look there.

[Stubble]

Bombsaway, how many teeth were recovered from treblinka? Just the shark's tooth from the test dig?

Also, regarding 'the woods', look at the wire Bombsaway, the woods are at or outside the wire. No witnesses talk about leaving the extermination area to exhume and open air cremate bodies.

They say, a lot of things, they don't say that.

Furthermore, bodies still aren't a fluid and don't fit 20/m^3 or more. You get closer to 2 or 3.

[bombsaway]

Also, regarding 'the woods', look at the wire Bombsaway, the woods are at or outside the wire. No witnesses talk about leaving the extermination area to exhume and open air cremate bodies.

So these boundaries are wrong?

[Stubble]

It is incomplete as it only shows the outer wire.

You see, at a prison or internment camp, there are 2 wires and between them is an area of some 5 to 10 meters clear of heavy growth or vegetation, ideally gravel covered, that is observed and patrolled to prevent escape.

See here;



The green wire is the 'inner security wire'.

From your photo it also appears that during the 2025 archeology study, the 'clear cut' that corner, likely to search the area for the huge mass graves full of dead jews you think are there. I look forward to seeing them publish literally anything from that project. Anything at all.

Compare your picture with this one;

[bombsaway]

I don't know why you would say there can't be graves in the areas now forested.

It seems to me like you're arbitrarily deciding where the perimeter ends, deciding it ends right where the forest begins to preclude any graves from being there. Anyway there's a grave outside the wire, according to the map you showed, so even this doesn't hold. LOL

[Stubble]

I beg your pardon?

There was an inner security wire and an outer security wire. The forested area is in between them. This is generally uncontested as such a setup was and still is policy for a prison or internment camp, yes, SOP still exists.

I am absolutely not being arbitrary either, as I am respecting the bounds established by various studies.

I will probably never see a study of the freshly cut area, but, in the event that I do, I absolutely do not expect to be surprised by a 100% infill of 'grave space'.

It was the area between the wires kept clear for security reasons, not 'grave space'.

[bombsaway]

There's a possible grave site outside the wire.

But anyway, where does the wire start? Draw for me in the modern maps. And how do you know it starts there, and not further out in areas now forested.

[Stubble]

Here is Colls' map.



Again.

A disperite map from USHMM.



Note that it still has both security wires but in a slightly simplified orientation.

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And from this how do we gather that it is impossible or deeply improbable that there were no graves dug in areas now forested.

BTW CSC notes a grave outside the wire, I don't think you can preclude even this possibility.

[Stubble]

You misspelled 'soil disturbance' as 'mass grave'.

Did an artillery shell ever fall there?

Regardless, it goes against your eyewitnesses to imply that the grave space is anywhere but inside the extermination area (so called) or behind the lazeret.