The Iron Curtain Closes

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The Iron Curtain Closes

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I don't know where else to put this. It's not directly Holocaust-related, but the closing of the Iron Curtain as the Soviets advanced westwards is part of the Holocaust story and the overall WW2 story.

When the Red Army overtook groups of people, what happened to them? The "death march" narrative encompasses groups fleeing to avoid being trapped in Soviet territory after the war ended. They could deported to camps, shot as collaborators/traitors, imprisoned, interrogated, put on trial in the USSR, etc.

This Russian book is titled Special camps of the NKVD / Ministry of Internal Affairs of the USSR in Germany. 1945-1950.

Going through some of the documents with AI translation, there's a lot of material on how the Iron Curtain closed around groups of people at the end of the war, and the burgeoning NKVD camps.

Whether people "death marched" back to Germany or not, the USSR would scoop them up, imprison them, and send them to camps.

Here's excerpts from one short document:
Of the total number of those seized, Germans accounted for 138,200 people, Poles - 38,660 people, Hungarians - 3,200 people, Slovaks - 100 people, Italians - 390 people, and citizens of the Soviet Union (Russians, Ukrainians, Belarusians, Lithuanians, Latvians, Kazakhs and others) - 27,880 people.

Of the total number of 215,540 people seized, 148,540 were sent to NKVD camps, 62,000 are in front-line prisons and NKVD camps, and 5,000 died during the operation and en route to the camps.
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It should be noted that of those arrested for detention in NKVD camps, no more than half of the total number can be used for physical labor, since the rest are old people and people unfit for physical labor.
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1. Henceforth, as the Red Army advances through German territory, when carrying out measures to clear the rear of active units of the Red Army, limit yourself to the removal of persons of the following categories:
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2. Cease the transfer to the USSR of persons arrested during the clearing of the rear areas of active Red Army units, organizing the necessary number of prisons and camps for their detention on site. Transfer to the USSR only those arrested who are of operational interest.

Report of the People's Commissar of Internal Affairs of the USSR L.P. Beria to the Chairman of the State Defense Committee I.V. Stalin on the work to clear the front-line rear of the active Red Army by units of the NKVD of the USSR, on the composition of those arrested by category, on amending the NKVD order No. 0016 of January 11, 1945. April 17, 1945
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Post-war Polish camps could also be discussed here. Jews came back to Poland from the Soviet Union with Polonized names and had an outsized influence in these camps. They changed their names at the insistence of the Comintern, according to at least one source I found.
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Don't forget the 'extermination battalions' were reorganized and folded into the NKVD for the push into Ostland and the Ukraine in '44.
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Several hundred results for the annihilation/extermination battalions on that same website, covering 1941 through the end of the war.

I'm not sure a longer history of them is available in English. Maybe some 500 page dissertation no one has access to?

But seems like some formed or were folded into existing partisan groups over time, which were increasingly centrally-coordinated in Moscow. Looks like they were referred to throughout the entire war.

The term is Russian seems to be Истребительные батальоны.

They were definitely involved in the chase westwards and new ones being created.

From Belarus:
Remnants of German groups are located in the Baranovichi region, attempting to join up with their units. Partisan detachments, organized into extermination battalions by district, have been deployed to capture them.

Documents on the history of Belarus in the "Special Folder" I. V. Stalin. 1944
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I found out about them and the orders to use them to 'secure the rear' from the Russian Federal Archives if I recall correctly, this was months ago.

In the west it looks like historians like to pretend they didn't exist from 1942 to 1945 for some reason.

Sometimes I think that the 'accuse the enemy of exactly what you are doing while you are doing it' and 'there are no bad tactics' mantras not only existed but were true.

I've often thought to myself what an extermination battalion would do to 20-2,000 jews captured making armaments for the Germans...

I'm, pretty sure they would fucking kill them as collaborators, because, unless I'm mistaken, that was both the policy and a standing order.
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Stubble wrote: Sat Feb 14, 2026 12:44 am I'm, pretty sure they would fucking kill them as collaborators, because, unless I'm mistaken, that was both the policy and a standing order.
Yes, I posted the order elsewhere a while ago. Whole document worth reading.

NKVD Directive No. 33881/S on the formation and operation of the NKVD bodies on the territory liberated from the enemy. December 16, 1941
3. Identifying and eliminating enemy collaborators among the local population who provided any assistance or support to the occupiers and their proxies in their atrocities, etc.

4. [...] Identify individuals who were not residents of the cities and every rural community prior to the occupation. Subject such individuals to the most thorough screening...

7. The NKVD's duties in the territory liberated from the enemy also include the immediate confiscation of all documents and materials from fascist military and administrative institutions, as well as the confiscation of all printed materials in the public's possession (newspapers, magazines, brochures, leaflets, posters, orders, announcements, etc.). These materials must be used to identify and expose fascist collaborators. After use on site, all these documents must be transferred to the NKVD Directorate for safekeeping.

9. [...] At the same time, identify and, if possible, document (by interviewing eyewitnesses and victims, taking photographs, compiling reports, etc.) all the most characteristic instances of atrocities, robbery, violence, and plunder committed by the Nazi occupiers.
Kill/imprison the collaborators. Seize all military, government, and private documents and publications. Start documenting atrocities by gathering witness statements, etc.

There was a similar Order No. 001683 from December 12, 1941:
2. c. through agents, informants, partisans, and honest Soviet citizens, identify and arrest traitors, renegades, and provocateurs, both those in the service of the German occupation authorities and those who assisted them in carrying out anti-Soviet activities and persecuting party and Soviet activists and honest Soviet citizens.
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pilgrimofdark wrote: Sat Feb 14, 2026 1:11 am [...]

Yes, I posted the order elsewhere a while ago. Whole document worth reading.

NKVD Directive No. 33881/S on the formation and operation of the NKVD bodies on the territory liberated from the enemy. December 16, 1941

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Was it here by chance?

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That thread really got almost no love, but, I can't help but think, it might be important.

Around the time I found that slip for a metric fuck ton of wood slated for the NKVD just before the offensive I also ran across something about the extermination battalions and that prompted the thread about their operations on the eastern front IIRC.

The wood:
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If I were to guess why no t4 personnel were chosen to perform gassing that had experience with gassing, it would be because THERE WERE NONE.
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