Auschwitz babies killed at birth?

[borjastick]

Most of us here know that there is a claim that in the Auschwitz hospital 3000 babies, or thereabouts, were born. I have never really looked into this aspect of Auschwitz and certainly it sits well with our side of the argument that Auschwitz inmates were well catered for in health care/dentistry, amusement, theatre, some leisure and sporting opportunities etc. We have also seen the pictures of the young children with tattoos being released when the camp was liberated by the Russians so that gives the lie to the claim that the Germans wanted to kill each and every jew they could lay hands on.

But I have read a claim on Facebook that all those 3000 odd babies born in the Auschwitz hospital were killed at birth. This I find amazing but then again I have never read anything by a person post war who claimed to have been born there, or any stories about those born there and survived to live long after the war.

Is there anything anyone can add to this aspect of Auschwitz please?

I should add that this general topic of babies born in concentration camps is not exclusive to Auschwitz. Presumably if babies were born in Auschwitz they were also born in other camps too. I doubt the Germans were dishing out birth certificates in the camps and after the war why would anyone admit to being born in one of the camps, in fact if you were just a year or so old when leaving a camp how would you know you were born in one unless you were told. It certainly does the holocaust story no good at all to have children knowing they were born in the camps when the claim is the Germans wanted to kill every jew they could.

[Wetzelrad]

If the Holocaust narrative was true, all children should have been killed, but that's not the case. I think the simplest refutation of this Facebook claim is the fact that newborns were registered.

In Healthcare in Auschwitz, Mattogno writes about an incomplete collection of daily Auschwitz census reports which include the number of newborns. 14 female newborns were counted from April to June 1944 (p.184). 2 of those were Jews with known registration numbers. Separately, Mattogno counted another 18 registered newborns in the main number series between October 2, 1943 and April 4, 1944 (p.185). 2 of those were explicitly labelled as "released".

You can simply ask these Facebook people the classic question -- why would the Nazis register and tattoo babies before killing them? And they were tattooed, according to "Kazimierz Smoleń, former Auschwitz inmate and then-director of the Auschwitz Museum" (pp.172,174).

A different category of newborns were in fact issued birth certificates (see attached) but left unregistered since they were born to education prisoners, i.e. those who were interred to work for a short period.

[HansHill]

For an insight into a mainstream audience, I asked an LLM how many Jewish babies were born in Auschwitz / Birkenau during WW2. With some rudimentary guardrails like "facts only please" it gave me 700 with some citations.

If these were people from my own life having these discussion, I would go this route, as it's accessible to the layman and opens up the talking points listed above.

[Stubble]

Here is the claim;

https://www.history.com/articles/auschw ... nska-saint

From the article;

During her two-year internment at Auschwitz, the Polish midwife delivered 3,000 babies at the camp in unthinkable conditions.

The 'character';

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanis%C5 ... y%C5%84ska

If I recall correctly, even during the collapse of Germany very shortly before the close of the war, babies were being delivered in Bergen Belsen. I've even read some atrocity tales that jews had to eat some of these newborns to survive. I'll see if I can dig some up.

I don't put much stock in the forced infanticide and cannibalism claim, because it doesn't involve lampshades. If anyone ate an infant in a camp, it was their choice, and there was no one forcing them to cannibalize infants.

[Wetzelrad]

That history.com article is crazy propaganda. Totally irrational shlock. One would think the war never ended.

The article quotes the story of an Auschwitz inmate named Maria Saloman who gave birth and whose baby did survive to adulthood:

My baby managed to last three months in the camp, but seemed doomed to die of starvation. I was completely devoid of milk. 'Mother' somehow found two women to wet-nurse my baby, an Estonian and a Russian. To this day I do not know at what price [she did this]. My Liz owes her life to Stanislawa Leszczynska. I cannot think of her without tears coming to my eyes.

I can't find any further information on this Liz Saloman. Neither she nor her mother seem to be in Yad Vashem's database, although there are many others of the same names. So here we have a confirmed Auschwitz baby survivor whose story is totally undocumented outside of this one article. This being the case, it's easy to infer that any number of other Auschwitz baby survivors could also have been left undocumented.

[Wetzelrad]

Another Auschwitz baby survivor is Barbara Puc (Peronczyk). According to this article in the Jewish Daily Forward, she too was delivered by Leszczynska, that same Polish midwife. Her mother escaped Auschwitz by walking away from the camp with her baby.

The same article also mentions yet another Auschwitz baby survivor named Stefania Wernick.

Another baby survivor is Angela Orosz, discussed in this Wikipedia article. Supposedly for the mother to be pregnant "should have been an immediate death sentence" but Mengele let her live anyway. Later he "injected various poisons into her cervix" for no reason. The mother then had a dream about her own mother which convinced her not to have an abortion. The baby survived and is still living today. The article also claims she is just one of two Auschwitz baby survivors (the other having been born on the day of liberation), which contradicts all the other examples already discussed here. I'm really surprised this article meets Wikipedia's content standards.

[Stubble]

That history.com article is crazy propaganda. Totally irrational shlock. One would think the war never ended.

I fear Mr Irving may have been incorrect about The Last Battle being Nuremberg. It would seem, the war continues...

Rereading the article, I'm slightly more amused by the way they have to paint the picture than I was the first time. The non jewish husband somehow 'murdered by the nazis' 'fighting' in the Warsaw uprising is a comical touch of genius I would not have thought to use in 6,000,000 years, and yet, there it is, and so few will ever question it, for such is the power of the Big Lie. I mean, honestly, ask yourself, who would even make this shit up, as ludicrous as it is? The conclusion of course is, Erin Blakemore.

Here are some other articles of hers;

Spoiler

Washington Post
washingtonpost.com › health
The story of Jewish health goes way beyond the healing nature of chicken soup - The Washington Post

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national ... story.html

How the Holocaust Happened in Plain Sight

https://www.nationalgeographic.co.uk/hi ... lain-sight

I'll let you draw your own conclusions about this 'brave American woman from Boulder Colorado' and her 'early life'.

[Eye of Zyclone]

But I have read a claim on Facebook that all those 3000 odd babies born in the Auschwitz hospital were killed at birth.

You can simply ask these Facebook people the classic question -- why would the Nazis register and tattoo babies before killing them?

Illustrates the problem of a priori conclusions and echo chambers.
A sinister interpretation of harmless and/or distorted things is at the core of the Holohoax scam...

[Booze]

But I have read a claim on Facebook that all those 3000 odd babies born in the Auschwitz hospital were killed at birth.

You can simply ask these Facebook people the classic question -- why would the Nazis register and tattoo babies before killing them?

Illustrates the problem of a priori conclusions and echo chambers.
A sinister interpretation of harmless and/or distorted things is at the core of the Holohoax scam...

I like the quote in the meme. But I cannot for the life of me understand why people who make memes almost invariably use the images of actors to convey wit or intelligence.

[Booze]

If the Holocaust narrative was true, all children should have been killed, but that's not the case. I think the simplest refutation of this Facebook claim is the fact that newborns were registered.

In Healthcare in Auschwitz, Mattogno writes about an incomplete collection of daily Auschwitz census reports which include the number of newborns. 14 female newborns were counted from April to June 1944 (p.184). 2 of those were Jews with known registration numbers. Separately, Mattogno counted another 18 registered newborns in the main number series between October 2, 1943 and April 4, 1944 (p.185). 2 of those were explicitly labelled as "released".

You can simply ask these Facebook people the classic question -- why would the Nazis register and tattoo babies before killing them? And they were tattooed, according to "Kazimierz Smoleń, former Auschwitz inmate and then-director of the Auschwitz Museum" (pp.172,174).

A different category of newborns were in fact issued birth certificates (see attached) but left unregistered since they were born to education prisoners, i.e. those who were interred to work for a short period.

Is it known for fact that any of these newborns were actually tattooed?
I'm having a hard time imagining babies being tattooed.
Is a registration number proof that they were tattooed?

[Wetzelrad]

Is it known for fact that any of these newborns were actually tattooed?
I'm having a hard time imagining babies being tattooed.
Is a registration number proof that they were tattooed?

It is not known definitively, but it is claimed by the Auschwitz Museum. It is one among many questionable, unproven claims.

Additionally, newborns and infants registered in the camp had their tattoos etched in a different area. It is important to note that initially, infants born in the camp were systematically killed, whereas starting in mid-1943, non-Jewish newborns were permitted to live, meaning they were not immediately murdered but instead registered. It can be inferred from the camp files that they were not registered on the day of birth, but instead, they waited a few days. If they did not die immediately after birth, then such a child was registered and given a numerical designation on their thigh. This was because the thigh was too small to fit such a number.

https://www.auschwitz.org/en/education/ ... auschwitz/

[Booze]

Is it known for fact that any of these newborns were actually tattooed?
I'm having a hard time imagining babies being tattooed.
Is a registration number proof that they were tattooed?

It is not known definitively, but it is claimed by the Auschwitz Museum. It is one among many questionable, unproven claims.

Additionally, newborns and infants registered in the camp had their tattoos etched in a different area. It is important to note that initially, infants born in the camp were systematically killed, whereas starting in mid-1943, non-Jewish newborns were permitted to live, meaning they were not immediately murdered but instead registered. It can be inferred from the camp files that they were not registered on the day of birth, but instead, they waited a few days. If they did not die immediately after birth, then such a child was registered and given a numerical designation on their thigh. This was because the thigh was too small to fit such a number.

https://www.auschwitz.org/en/education/ ... auschwitz/

Thank you.
Ok so, non-Jewish babies were permitted to live, starting in mid 1943. It makes me wonder why I'm not aware of horror stories (about babies being killed) from non-Jews/Gypsies prior the mid 1943. Shouldn't there be baby stories from Poles?

[borjastick]

Well here's one woman who claims to have been born in Mauthausen having been in her mother's womb when she was sent to Auschwitz, met by Mengele (weren't they all dear) and then returned all the way from Auschwitz to a camp near Dresden and then to Mauthausen.

Eva Clarke will take the horrors of the Holocaust to the grave. Her skeletal mother – weighing just 5st – gave birth to her slumped on top of a filthy coal cart at the gates of the notorious Mauthausen concentration camp in 1945. She weighed just 3lbs. Fifteen of her family were slaughtered by the Nazis at Auschwitz-Birkenau including her father, who was shot one week before the death camp was liberated. Yet despite the lifelong pain she has carried as a victim and survivor of humanity’s most atrocious act, Eva, 80, still believes that only by standing up to hate and prejudice wherever it exists can we ever hope to create a better world.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/21612 ... ews-Israel

[Booze]

Well here's one woman who claims to have been born in Mauthausen having been in her mother's womb when she was sent to Auschwitz, met by Mengele (weren't they all dear) and then returned all the way from Auschwitz to a camp near Dresden and then to Mauthausen.

Eva Clarke will take the horrors of the Holocaust to the grave. Her skeletal mother – weighing just 5st – gave birth to her slumped on top of a filthy coal cart at the gates of the notorious Mauthausen concentration camp in 1945. She weighed just 3lbs. Fifteen of her family were slaughtered by the Nazis at Auschwitz-Birkenau including her father, who was shot one week before the death camp was liberated. Yet despite the lifelong pain she has carried as a victim and survivor of humanity’s most atrocious act, Eva, 80, still believes that only by standing up to hate and prejudice wherever it exists can we ever hope to create a better world.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/21612 ... ews-Israel

Yes I remember this story and the first thing I did when I read or heard it was to find out if it was even possible for an adult to weigh 5st. I forget what my findings were.
There is a certain minimal weight to organs, skin and the bones.

[Booze]

I questioned to AI. Here is what it returned...
Estimated Minimum Weights
When the body is emaciated, it has lost nearly all fat and most muscle, often leaving a weight that is largely just the organs, bones, and water.

Average Woman (5'4"): A BMI of 18.5 is 108 lbs. A state of extreme, dangerous emaciation (BMI ~13) would be approximately 75-80 lbs (34-36 kg).

Average Man (5'10"): A BMI of 18.5 is 129 lbs. A state of extreme, dangerous emaciation (BMI ~13) would be approximately 90-95 lbs (41-43 kg).

Survival becomes unlikely when BMI drops below 10-12, as the heart and essential organs begin to fail due to a lack of fuel.