Jews and sexual abuse

[Alonso]

I'm wondering if I'm seeing a pattern:

• Roman Polansky. Jew. Sexual predator. Fled from justice.

• Louis Mayer. Jew. Alleged sexual predator. Too powerful to bring him to court.

• Harvey Weinstein. Jew. Convicted sexual predator.

• My friend R. Jew. Survivor of child sex abuse perpetrated by his Jewish relatives.

• Jeffrey Epstein. Jew. International paedophilia ring leader.

• Etc.

[Archie]

Keep in mind that this is the Jewish history forum. Is there a historical topic here? What is your thesis or question?

We can make lists of Catholic/Protestant/Black/Norwegian/Samoan/whatever sex abusers. This by itself does not really prove anything. It certainly does seem like Jews come up a lot in high profile cases (Larry David got in trouble for pointing this out one time in an SNL monologue*) and it's possible they are prone to this sort of thing. But if we want to be rigorous about it (which we try to do here) it would need to be carefully argued. For example, Jews are massively overrepresented in Hollywood and entertainment which could explain a lot of a observed effect, i.e., it might be roughly proportional.

A few general thoughts

-I have seen some discussion of Jews and pornography. This booklet, for example.
https://archive.org/details/garland-ben ... 7/mode/2up

-The stereotype of the lecherous Jew featured prominently in Der Stürmer. One or two of the Nuremberg laws also hinted at this (IIRC one restriction was that Jewish men couldn't employ German women unless they were over 45 or something like that. The implication of this was pretty clear).

-If there is some connection, there would need to be some mechanism to explain it. My hypothesis would be to look at personality. Certain traits like neuroticism (which is a Big Five trait) might correlate with sexual deviance. I would look for studies correlating Big Five to sexual behaviors and looking at Big Five and Jews and see if there is an implied elevated risk. Counterpoint: high testosterone is known to correlate with sex drive. Jews don't strike me as especially high T (they are generally not well-represented in sports which is probably a good proxy).

P.S. If people want to discuss Epstein, that should probably be its own thread over in "Other." A thread on him would be fine as long as it's not a shitshow.

*ETA: found the clip

[Stubble]

This has to do with 'culture'. It is seen as having to do with a concept called 'moral relativism'. In the Talmud, sexual relations between adults and children are covered and there are various 'rules' about it.

I could go a bit further in to this, but, I'm not sure it would be productive to. Remarking on this proclivity can be construed as 'an attack' on 'a different culture' and a 'minority'. There is of course also the 'not all of them' can of worms defense along with the 'not only them' defense as both inevitably come up.

To keep this short, any culture that thinks the first thing to do with a male newborn is cut up his penis and suck on it I mark as 'odd'.

[Alonso]

Is there a historical topic here?

I'm not sure if this should be categorized under culture, history, or anything else. It seemed to me that this was the most suitable subforum. If you think that it doesn't belong here, or even anywhere in this forum, by all means let me know and move or delete as required.

What is your thesis or question?

I don't have a thesis, just a question: is my list representative of a relation between Jews and sexual abuse? Or is it just a coincidence that I happen to know about many Jewish perpetrators and relatively few from other groups?

Of course, the question could be clearly answered using relevant data. Find the number of convicted (or alleged, or whatever is relevant) Jew sex abusers, divide by total Jewish population. Do the same for other populations. Compare results. If the results are roughly similar, my observation is a coincidence. If the results are significantly higher for Jews (or any other group), then there is a pattern. However, it looks like this simply can't be done because, AFAIK, those data are not available.

If that's correct, if those data are not available, that's significant on its own. Many if not all governments routinely refuse to publish or even acquire data that correlates race or ethnicity with criminality. The reason seems clear: if criminality among race X is significantly higher than it is among race Y, that's a fact that can be used by some to justify treating people of race X differently (i.e., racism or xenophobia). Governments don't want people to do that, so they hide (or simply forbid collecting) those data. For example, it is widely believed, and probably true, that the rates of criminality among Spanish gipsies is far higher than among other Spanish ethnic groups. Therefore, the Spanish government explicitly forbids collecting data about criminality among gipsies (and other ethnicities).

Maybe that's as close as we can get to answering the question. But I created this thread in the hope that I could find more information.

[Alonso]

Jews are massively overrepresented in Hollywood and entertainment which could explain a lot of a observed effect, i.e., it might be roughly proportional.

Actually, the origin of this thread is a quick experiment I made in that sense. Noticing the unusually high number of Jew sexual abusers I've heard of in the entertainment industry, I tried two generic Google searches and noted the first two results:

• Search: jews in the entertainment industry. First two male results: Marcus Loew and Louis Mayer. Louis Mayer was almost certainly a sex predator. Marcus Loew was his close associate, who knew about the sex abuse allegations and almost certainly helped to prevent Mayer from being brought to court. Summary: two out of two involved in sexual abuse.

• Search: people in the entertainment industry (no ethnicity specified). First two male results: Brad Pitt and Kevin Feige. Kevin Feige seems totally clean in this sense. Brad Pitt, not so much. Apparently, he was aware for years of the sexual offences committed by Harvey Weinstein and protected him with his silence. That doesn't sound good for the gentile. But it sounds much, much worse for the Jew. Summary: one out of two gentiles involved in sexual abuse, but it was sexual abuse perpetrated by a Jew.

Of course, a sample population of two is too small to draw conclusions. But the results are still striking.

[Stubble]

I think your focus is in the wrong direction. The examples listed are known high profile cases. You need to look at the unknown and lesser known cases as well as the culture that has rules for dealing with it.

jews have a 'snitches get stitches' policy basically that says any problem will be handled internally by the community. They have mechanisms for internal 'justice' and their own opinions about 'law'.

The examples you cite are in the public eye because they go outside the 'code of silence'.