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fireofice wrote: Thu Jan 08, 2026 11:32 am
Callafangers wrote:Even if Hitler believed in this world vision in the early 1920s, it did not seem to drive his policy in foreign relations, especially in peacetime. The only credible instances we find in claims of conversations around blatant conquest come from those of Russian/Soviet territory which was regarded as illegitimate under a hostile Jewish-Bolshevik regime. Many claims were made of Germany's supposed 'conquest' initiatives during the war (such as attempts to conquer the Americas) which were proven false.
A distinction needs to be made here between the foreign policy of Germany as a country, and the foreign policy of the white race as a whole. The passage in question would include not just Germany, but Britian and all the other white countries as well. So this isn't him claiming he specifically wants Germany to rule the world, but Aryans. This would not tell us anything about his foreign policy as it relates to other white countries. He continued to hold this view of white domination over non-white countries throughout his life. For example, he lamented when Japan retook British colonies. That and more similar pieces of evidence can be found in this video:

There is not evidence that Hitler made ANY attempt to conquer the world from Germany, so the notion he would have done so from Britain and other White nations is even more absurd. Whatever his vision of how the world would (or even should) ultimately progress due to the course of Nature, which he emphasized as the reason, is not necessarily aligned with what he acted upon as a head of state in practice (note the peaceful prosperity and intra-national focus throughout the 1930s).

Jews, on the other hand, are subverting global nations in practice, torturing citizens through psychological, financial, degeneracy, globalism, and warmongering schemes. These are real actions which affect hundreds of millions of lives right now, present-day.

The video you provided makes much ado about Hitler's lack of "trust" of non-White groups while minimizing the reality of their involvement in the Wehrmacht. The issue, however, is that this employment of non-Whites happened at all, and not on an accidental or trivial scale (multiple non-White nations enlisted, across regions and contexts). Uniforms and reasonable rations and equipment were provided, showing these members were valued. More importantly, these non-Whites in uniform apparently had some reason to believe in the cause, themselves. Why would they believe in genociding themselves? Stockholm syndrome? They were not simply coerced into these positions -- they enlisted and were accepted into the ranks. Obviously, amid rampant subversion, Germany exercised this openness with caution, but it was present nonetheless and starkly at-odds with perceptions of fictional-mainstream Hitler as a stomping toddler who viewed non-Whites as so disgusting to never let them 'disgrace' a German uniform.

This whole question of "was Hitler racist" is ridiculous. Hitler did not think about non-White races. They were not anywhere within his sphere of concern nor interest; there is no moral nor political dilemma he faced which entailed non-White peoples, basically ever. Germany was ~99% White, with the remaining ~1% being Jews, and some fraction of a percent being anything else.

This lack of concern or interest in other races is evident in the fact that there were no laws which discriminated against Black people specifically in Germany, despite Blacks in many instances living there for the duration of the war. These people were often treated well. The only major counterexample I am aware of (sterilization of Blacks) was a local initiative, summarized as follows:
With regard to claims of general or anti-black 'racism', critics of National Socialism will point almost exclusively to the 1937 sterilization campaign targeting the so-called "Rhineland Bastards" -- approximately 385–600 mixed-race children who resulted from the French-imposed occupation by African colonial soldiers in the Rhineland territory after World War One, where the soldiers were permitted by the French administration to terrorize the population, including rape of German women, resulting in mixed-race children; some relationships, of course, may have been consensual. Given the nature of this imposition and total impunity of African soldiers upon the German population by the French was clearly an attempt to humiliate, demoralize, etc., Germany and its citizens (like the many other postwar humiliations, e.g. the Versailles treaty), conversations surrounding measures against these mixed offspring had been taking place since the Weimar era (i.e. pre-Hitler). Notably: the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute for Anthropology, Human Heredity, and Eugenics (KWI-A), which provided pseudoscientific justification via its studies of these children, conducted its key examinations (1937–1938) before its director had even joined the NSDAP, and the sterilizations were carried out legally by local Hereditary Health Courts under the broad criteria of the 1933 Law for the Prevention of Hereditarily Diseased Offspring, with no definitive evidence of explicit high-level authorization from the Reich Ministry of the Interior or top Nazi leaders. In other words, a local bureaucratic overreach, not a top-down Nazi anti-Black genocide.
More discussion here: https://archive.codohforum.com/20230609 ... =2&t=12342

This Black woman, Esther Fordham, lived in Hamburg, Germany throughout all of WW2 and never experienced any 'racism', had a peaceful life there (this is her statement despite the interviewer repeatedly trying to get her to say otherwise):



There is also the very-real fandom surrounding Jesse Owens, who was a massive hit in Germany, treated far better than he ever was in the USA (by his own account; could stay at any hotel/restaurant, welcomed everywhere; compare to the US segregation at the time), right in the peak NS era. Here he is signing autographs for a bustling crowd of German fans:
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[EDIT: Forgot to mention, the quotes in the video are almost entirely bogus; Hitler is confirmed to have shaken Jesse Owens' hand (this was personally witnessed by British pilot Eric Brown, see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Brown_(pilot) ); Owens stated earlier on "Hitler never snubbed me." Journalists harassed Owens for decades, and he eventually "bent the knee" to at least parrot assumptions about what Hitler must have 'really' thought, despite his (Owens') earlier statements being nothing but praise for Hitler and Germany.]

Here is an alleged paraphrase from Hitler, per Bormann:
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And a summary of NS Germany's views on race:
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Regarding Hitler's statements in Mein Kampf, where he expresses his belief that Aryans are superior to other races, this is simply a reflection of his overt tribalism which no one has denied about him. That Hitler thought of Aryans/Whites as superior was a common view at that time. Blacks in Africa widely recognized that Whites were simply far more advanced in every measure of intellect, civilization, etc. (start at 12:05):



The man speaking above is Franck Zanu, here is his biography:
Franck “Zanu” Adjisegbe is different. He is intense, explosive, analytical and deeply thought provoking. He is a life-coach, inspirational speaker, and human development consultant. [...]

He is a US citizen born in the Republic of Benin, West Africa. He has worked as a reporter for the New York Tribune and photojournalist for the Washington Times stationed in South Korea, Japan, Malaysia, Bulgaria and other African countries.

https://www.zanuproject.com/about
Here is a transcript of the above video/interview:
ZANU: Okay, yeah, but why do you keep saying "White supremacist"? So, let me ask—maybe it's a grammar thing—when you say "White supremacist," what do you mean?

GUEST: A group of people who believe that they are superior to any other race.

ZANU: So what does it mean when you repeat "White supremacist"? What does it mean?

GUEST: That’s a good point. [laughter]

ZANU: Are you affirming what they have said? Because it has happened in my own tribe. We know very well—in the Mugabe district of the Benin Republic, the Abomey tribe—they found that the women warriors are powerful. Okay? My father's tribe, my mother's tribe—we're weaklings, okay? When they come, we bow and say, "Take, take, and go away." So we began to call them—in a language you call here something like the "hooligans"—we made these names, these hooligans, because of what they do. We thank the French; when they finally arrived, that was the only time they tamed them. So it's the same thing. When you watch the behavior of White people—what they have done—yes, you can make a name for them. But what you're doing is affirming: if these people can go out and colonize successfully for years, and nobody ever succeeded in colonizing them; if these people can go out and take over countries and buy slaves and hold them down—well, they must be good. Well, that's what I was brought up in Africa to believe: that Whites are superior. It is my people who told me, not a White man. I see it is my mom, my dad, my uncles, my community members, my teachers in Africa. Ask any Nigerian, ask any Beninese, ask any Togolese—unless they are lying. Anybody above the age of 50 knows: in our folklore, in our music, we play it. Go and listen to Chalamanda: "When I was a young boy, I want to go to America" [singing]. They tell us that is a land of superior people. It's in my language; I can say it: "yo vo lu dahe." Anybody who can understand Benin will tell you what I've just said, and they've heard it before. So when I arrive here, my people have already told me that White people are superior. But the things they have seen—airplanes flying—they said it's magic. Ships floating on the water—they said it's magic, okay? So all these inventions—television came—that, no, we say "yo vo lu dahe." Any time a radio is turned on and speaking, they say "the White person is from far"— "yo vo lu dahe." When we see a toy that can walk, we say "the White man is so good, he's like God; he has done everything but put blood in a toy." That is what we say in Africa. Everybody knows what I'm saying. Do you know what they say in Ashanti land? The Ashantis have a saying—I can speak Ashanti—[spoken in Ashanti, then translates:] "If you are going to church and you meet a White guy, turn around and go home—you've seen God!"

So, "White supremacist" was created by us to describe something we're confused about.

GUEST: So you're saying that Black folks created that name "White supremacist"?

ZANU: That's correct—from Africa. From Africa, because we are just amazed by the things they've done well. We describe them always by inventions. When you take a toy and the toy is talking and it's moving—like "oh my God"—because, yes, my people are not sophisticated, you know.

GUEST: Why would we call a White person a "White supremacist" if, you know, well, I guess I think it's because we were enslaved.

ZANU: No, it is just observing the mere industrialization of their environment, which we haven't done. That's all. They can command water from far away, through tubes, into their bedrooms. We can't even fetch a bucket of water from the next lake—you will be drowned. They can put electricity; we never had one in Africa. They have airplanes fly over us. It's amazing. Everything they've done is the reason my people say "these people are superior"—not because of slavery. They came to colonize us, and they brought things we have never seen before. They gave a king a mirror, and he was dancing and sold his people away. They brought guns we have never seen—"boom!"—and kill somebody right away. You know what they used to do in the Congo, right? They put dynamite in the rocks, and then they hide; they switch, and then when they point their finger—go "boom!"—and still today they call the White man "kiboom," the sound of the dynamite, and then they [Africans] go down and they go like this [bowing]. If they're not superior, why do you see every picture—when the White man arrived in Africa, we're bowing to them? The Portuguese, in my hometown, Gele, ordered his people: as soon as the Portuguese showed up, everybody was bowing. We have never seen a gun kill a human being. We have never seen a mirror. We have never seen a radio tune in and somebody is speaking from England—the Queen's voice. So for us, all these things: these people must be really superior and close to God. They used to have a joke in Ghana that when God said "let's pray," the White man opened his eyes—the Black people were covering their eyes—so the White man saw how God created the world. That's why they are so good at what they do. And I'm telling you, these are folklores from which we grew up. If anyone told you that White people came to Africa to tell us they're superior, it's a lie—they never said that.
Obviously, Hitler's conclusions about White superiority were not entirely baseless and the case could be made that these observations of Aryan superiority were the most rational interpretation overall, by any group. Hitler expressed his disdain for Slavs despite their White-ness after having visited their region and witnessing a total absence of modern civilization, social order, etc. And on the other hand, he spoke of the far East (e.g. China, Japan) as having a remarkable history, worthy of respect. Hitler gave credit where it was due but only insofar as the cumulative result of a nation's production and cultural development. He did not believe the aboriginals in Australia or other disorganized, primitive tribes could ever achieve what Germans were already presently doing, and had been doing for centuries. Even today, there is no proof he was wrong -- we simply assume all people/tribes are equal, despite a great deal of evidence pointing directly to the contrary (e.g. IQ distribution data, self-evident performance disparities).

For Hitler to truly believe in the supreme destiny of his people shows his loyalty and confidence in them. If I am a die-hard Manchester United (football/soccer) fan, I might believe my team is superior in all ways to the other teams. That doesn't mean I hate the other teams, just that mine is superior. Better yet, if I believe my own family and bloodline is superior to my neighbors', and even that my family is destined to outrank my neighbors' family perpetually, this doesn't mean I intend to steal from my neighbor, only that I will succeed where he does not. The question of trampling over sovereign borders is another than any belief in "superiority", and it is Jews who have committed infinitely more 'trampling' than Hitler ever attempted.

Hitler is not the problem today.
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I'll add one more bit: even if it is granted that Hitler entertained the idea of some forms of colonialism or rule by Aryans over other nations, this still begs the question of what type of rule this would entail. Even in wartime, with the exception of Jews, subjects/citizens under Germany (e.g. Ostarbeiters) were generally treated quite well. Fair wages, benefits, etc. Where proposals were made to suppress a population (e.g. Slavs in terms of limiting education/advancement), this was intended to maintain a sustainable social order. Still unethical by my own standards, but far from the bleak "ball and chain" imagery that 'Holocaust goggles' biases have made the default. Germans believed in "strength through joy" and this logic would likely have passed onto any subjects (other than subversives/Jews) under their rule. This doesn't justify a lack of self-determination for these peoples, but self-determination is something that none of our present-day nations (US, UK, etc.) have seen in our lifetimes anyway.
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Wetzelrad wrote: Wed Jan 07, 2026 7:28 am One place where there may be actual cause to disagree with Fuentes is where he has shown an openness to the anti-revisionists. In the below clip he says that in his DMs his mutuals have tried to convince him that the Holocaust Narrative is accurate by sending him "blog posts", obviously meaning HC.



The overall takeaway is that he entertains the idea that revisionists could be substantially wrong. Granted, this is just one clip among countless that give a contrary impression, and it has more to do with his mutuals than it does with himself, but I think it's an important reveal. People who care about the ultimate fate of revisionism should prepare themselves for the possible future point where this debate becomes much more public. When anti-revisionists try to seize our thunder, they will have to be totally crushed, all their mendacity revealed, in the most persuasive format possible, etc.
Interesting clip. It seems he's trying to side-step the issue (shifting from actual revisionism into Norman Finkelstein territory). If I were a political commentator and I were taking that approach, I would probably frame it a bit differently. I would say some of the history seems to be questionable and just stop short of making highly specific or expansive claims. I will never fault anyone for not claiming something they don't feel confident about. I respect it, in fact. But I also would not downplay the historical controversy or make any unnecessary concessions. That has always felt like a cop-out to me.

I do relate to part of what he says about his experience investigating the topic (and I suspect his account of it is accurate). The process he describes is probably extremely typical.

-He watched some documentaries (presumably Denierbud and Hunt) and read a few essays
-He found the arguments convincing
-But he also became aware of anti-revisionist material (which he was presumably not knowledgeable enough to rebut)
-He hit a wall with it and was not willing to put in the work to break through it

I suspect this is very common. This is really a problem of complexity (and time investment), and it is something that revisionists will need to solve. Here's the thing: anti-revisionists don't actually need to convince people. They just need to put up enough of a fight to make it look superficially competitive and from there they can bank on the fact that most people will be unwilling to spend more than a few hours researching the topic. If some significant fraction of people who are receptive to revisionism can be kept on the fence, that is a win for them. Personally, I had concluded there was something fishy about it very quickly, but it took me quite a while before I felt sure the Holocaust was mostly a fraud. I was hesitant because of the complexity and volume of sources. And I think that is a healthy impulse (vs accepting something too hastily). Yes, we want people to agree with us, but we also want people who are informed.

Regarding the complexity problem, this has been an issue in the internet era, but I think the trends are in our favor. The HC strategy of flooding the zone with obscure materials I think has really just bought them some time. It's a glorified gish gallop. As sources become more available, as the technology gets better, as we summarize and package our material better, I think the HC approach will become obsolete. If people can get up to speed much more easily they will be less likely to stall out before reaching a conclusion.
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Callafangers wrote:There is not evidence that Hitler made ANY attempt to conquer the world from Germany, so the notion he would have done so from Britain and other White nations is even more absurd.
That's not what I said though. I never said he was trying to conquer the world from Britian or anything like that. The quote I posted has to do with the Aryan race, not with Hitler. "The Aryan race should rule the world" is not "Hitler should rule the world". Those are separate things.
Hitler did not think about non-White races.
I mean this is just false. The video I posted shows he did in fact think about them.
This lack of concern or interest in other races is evident in the fact that there were no laws which discriminated against Black people specifically in Germany, despite Blacks in many instances living there for the duration of the war.
I would say forced sterilization is a form of legal discrimination. And the justification you posted is all well and good, but it's still discrimination. But sure, the black population was too small for them to worry too much about them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecuti ... zi_Germany
This Black woman, Esther Fordham, lived in Hamburg, Germany throughout all of WW2 and never experienced any 'racism', had a peaceful life there
That's fine. Hans Massaquoi claimed he faced racism in his book Destined to Witness: Growing Up Black in Nazi Germany that was mentioned in the video. I'm sure not everyone's experiences were completely uniform. For comparison, many blacks said they were treated very well under slavery.

https://www.eurocanadians.ca/2025/05/bl ... good-to-us

On Owens, the quote in the video is real. The one mentioned comes from Baldur von Schirach's memoir. Also from Speer's memoir:
Each of the German victories, and there were a surprising number of these, made [Adolf Hitler] happy, but he was highly annoyed by the series of triumphs by the marvelous colored American runner, Jesse Owens. People whose antecedents came from the jungle were primitive, Hitler said with a shrug; their physiques were stronger than those of civilized whites and hence should be excluded from future games.
As for Eric Brown, I'm not convinced. Eye witness testimony isn't great, he may have made a mistake. Jesse Owens was also trying to score political points at home. And we have on the other hand people who knew Hitler quite a bit better who had a different impression of what Hitler's views of Owens were. But at worst, we have some conflicting accounts. It's up to you which you find the most credible then.
Here is an alleged paraphrase from Hitler, per Bormann
As pointed out in the video, this is a fake quote. Unlike the real Table Talks, these were forged by Genoud and can't be trusted. There are statements "recorded by Bormann" that couldn't have been because he wasn't in Berlin. Genoud himself also admitted faking it. Nilsson has a chapter on this in his book on the Table Talks.

https://wp.fpp.co.uk/old-web/Hitler/doc ... enoud.html

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/pdf/10. ... 18.1532983

In fact, the sentiment he expresses in these fake passages are completely contradicted by Mein Kampf, where he claims that whites are the foundation of all non-white civilizations, and explicitly brings up Japan.
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So far from thinking that Japan had a superior history, he actually thought the opposite.
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Callafangers wrote: Thu Jan 08, 2026 11:19 am
fireofice wrote: Thu Jan 08, 2026 10:42 am
Callafangers wrote:I believe the jury is still somewhat out on Nick but this immediately puts him on "thin ice", in my view.
Oh he's on "thin ice" with you, huh? I'm sure he'll be devastated to hear that. I've disliked him for quite a while yet I'm still waiting for this to have an effect on him. Any day now I'm sure. :lol:

Not trying to cause any offense here, but that just gave me a good laugh. I'm sure you didn't even intend to make it sound like you had a big effect on him, but it kind of amusingly came across that way.
No offense taken, it felt like a strange way to phrase it but I went with it anyway.
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I understand the spirit within which this was offered, however it is worth a quick comment. FWIW, the following is all based on the idea the Fuentes is a good faith, grassroots actor. In the event he is compromised, or a Fed, or similar, then obviously none of the following applies or is relevant.

If Nick Fuentes is the self-styled voice and face of online "big tent" RW dissident politics, a role he seems happy to perform, then it follows naturally that he should be perceptive and sensitive to the various movements under which his big tent represents. Callafangers is obviously anon and I'm sure is humble enough to acknowledge that he personally would hold no sway over a figure like Fuentes, but that misses the point.

It's very likely that Fuentes is aware, or even lurks places like Codoh. There is no obvious reason as to why this cannot or should not be the case. In this eventuality, Fuentes has probably read the posts and arguments of people like CF and other regular, voluminous posters, and even possibly has saved some notes or arguments to study in his own time and reflect over.

Assuming the above to be true, then it's actually quite relevant for figures like Fuentes to receive the direct feedback that his pivots are alienating to key aspects of his movement. Especially when those movements are somewhat organised like on Codoh, somewhat credible, like in CFs case who has a long post count and track record within the movement, and especially considering his feedback is actually constructive and certainly not trollish.

I've said in a previous post that I would gladly offer up coaching to someone like Fuentes, again not that I feel he needs it or that I personally am the person to do so, but it's very likely he is doing his own reading and learning in places like Codoh and other centralised, organised avenues of dissident RW politics. Again if he is, which I believe is likely, him reading this feedback is important, if not vital for the movement he has carved for himself.

TL:DR credible voices within the big tent movement need to keep the movement leaders on point and on message, and offer coaching where appropriate.
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fireofice wrote:That's not what I said though. I never said he was trying to conquer the world from Britian or anything like that. The quote I posted has to do with the Aryan race, not with Hitler. "The Aryan race should rule the world" is not "Hitler should rule the world". Those are separate things.
What's your point? Hitler believed Aryans were better at governing. This doesn't entail brutality nor abuses, nor even military invasion or political meddling, with other peoples. Jews in practice abuse/subvert nations globally. Hitler did not.
fireofice wrote:I mean this is just false. The video I posted shows he did in fact think about them.
Hitler made zero policies about non-White races. Out of his hundreds of hours of written and recorded speeches, maybe a fraction of one percent even touches on non-White races. It was barely on his radar and any concepts of what "should" be or what Nature inherently entailed were philosophical/theoretical, not practiced.

This is in contrast to Jews, who actively subvert global nations, destroy their morals (i.e. sowing misery), destroy their currency (i.e. sowing poverty), warmongering for 'Israel' and profit (i.e. killing en masse), gaslighting via mass media (i.e. abuse), and more. They are doing this right now, today, in broad daylight.

And again, it was the racial steadfastness of Jews, themselves, which made Hitler recognize the need for racialism in his own people. Without Jews behaving in this way, Hitler would never have emulated it.
fireofice wrote:I would say forced sterilization is a form of legal discrimination. And the justification you posted is all well and good, but it's still discrimination. But sure, the black population was too small for them to worry too much about them.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecuti ... zi_Germany
Did you read what I wrote? This wasn't a national policy. It was a localized one which slipped under the radar, initiated by a person who didn't even join the NSDAP until well-afterward.
fireofice wrote:That's fine. Hans Massaquoi claimed he faced racism in his book Destined to Witness: Growing Up Black in Nazi Germany that was mentioned in the video. I'm sure not everyone's experiences were completely uniform. For comparison, many blacks said they were treated very well under slavery.
Many blacks were treated very well under slavery. The notion that extreme abuses/mistreatment were the norm are a fabrication. See works by Lochlain Seabrook which, although met with some due criticism, cover this extensively.
fireofice wrote:On Owens, the quote in the video is real.
Owens' own quotes which are harsh or critical against Hitler come almost entirely from Owens' later years, once the anti-German propaganda was firmly set in and journalists had been pestering him to provide more critical comments countless times. His early testimony was consistently positive toward Hitler and Germany.
fireofice wrote:As for Eric Brown, I'm not convinced.
British pilot: I was literally there and directly saw Hitler and Owens shake hands.
You: I am not convinced.

Which of these is more convincing?
fireofice wrote:As pointed out in the video, this is a fake [Hitler] quote. Unlike the real Table Talks, these were forged by Genoud and can't be trusted.
Fair point, I can confirm this is indeed a fake, exposed by Irving after its use by establishment historians on numerous counts.

Despite this, the Degrelle quote stands and few would argue he was in a position to have misunderstood National Socialism, having served in both the Wehrmacht and Waffen-SS and as an NS advocate for many years post-war.
fireofice wrote:In fact, the sentiment he expresses in these fake passages are completely contradicted by Mein Kampf, where he claims that whites are the foundation of all non-white civilizations, and explicitly brings up Japan.
No one in their right mind is claiming that Hitler didn't see Aryans/Whites as having superior qualities. This is not the question which matters. You brought up NS ideology in an underhanded way in order to compare it to Jewish behavior present-day, suggesting they pose a similar problem. They do not. Germany, in practice, prioritized its own people and nation within its own national borders, with policies and actions squarely reflecting this. Jews, on the other hand, parasitically subvert world nations and cause mass death, destruction, and misery onto the peoples of these nations. NS Germany in general respected the sovereignty of other nations, although with exceptions like Bolshevik territories which were [rightly] considered illegitimate.

Jews are a much, much bigger problem for the world than Germany ever would have been or intended to be. Ideology about superiority does not necessarily entail abuses against presumed "inferior" peoples. In the case of Jewish ideology, however, these abuses are necessary and inherent.

Regarding Japan, Hitler also [reportedly] makes clear he has no ill will toward Japan, indicating the Far East should belong to them (from the "Table Talks", so taken with a grain of salt):
For the first time, we have on our side a first-rate
military Power, Japan. We must therefore never abandon the
Japanese alliance, for Japan is a Power upon which one can rely.
I can well imagine that Japan would put no obstacle in the
way of peace, on condition that the Far East were handed over
to her. She's not capable of digesting India, and I doubt
whether she has any interest in occupying Australia and New
Zealand. If we preserve our connections with her, Japan will
derive from this a great sense of security, and will feel that she
has nothing more to fear from anybody at all. This alliance is
also an essential guarantee of tranquillity for us—in particular,
in the event of our being able to rely on a lasting friendship
with France. There's one thing that Japan and Germany have
absolutely in common—that both of us need fifty to a hundred
years for purposes of digestion: we for Russia, they for the
Far East.
Hitler's Table Talks, p. 300, https://ia601305.us.archive.org/27/item ... leTalk.pdf
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HansHill wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 10:54 am It's very likely that Fuentes is aware, or even lurks places like Codoh. There is no obvious reason as to why this cannot or should not be the case. In this eventuality, Fuentes has probably read the posts and arguments of people like CF and other regular, voluminous posters, and even possibly has saved some notes or arguments to study in his own time and reflect over.

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TL:DR credible voices within the big tent movement need to keep the movement leaders on point and on message, and offer coaching where appropriate.
I think this is possible but it makes me wish he would actually post here, even if anonymously, specifically any topics/claims from the HC Bloggers which he's been stuck on. As Archie pointed out, the HC blog and tactics of anti-revisionist historians a la Terry/SC is indeed a "glorified gish gallop"; they lack quality arguments and so attempt to provide grocery lists of claims/documents, hoping you'll be so impressed by the size/length (that's what she said) that you will simply throw in the towel.

:!: ATTENTION NICK FUENTES :!:
Kindly post your concerns here. I/We can all but guarantee they have already been addressed and are happy to assist in the footwork of providing you a comprehensive review/summary of the revisionist understanding.
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Callafangers, you are misinterpreting my intentions here. I'm not trying to say any of this is a problem. To be clear, I like these aspects of Hitler. If he wasn't racist, I wouldn't like him.
Callafangers wrote:British pilot: I was literally there and directly saw Hitler and Owens shake hands.
You: I am not convinced.

Which of these is more convincing?
Well if we have a memoir from Baldur von Schirach saying he would never shake hands with a black, that counts for something. It's a counter witness from someone who knew Hitler better.
Many blacks were treated very well under slavery. The notion that extreme abuses/mistreatment were the norm are a fabrication. See works by Lochlain Seabrook which, although met with some due criticism, cover this extensively.
I'll just use this as another example of misrepresentation of what I was saying. My point was that they weren't treated badly under literal slavery, so making much ado about blacks in Germany also not being treated badly isn't saying much. I'm not trying to make Hitler out to be a barbarian either. We seem to be talking past each other.

I'll lay my position out here. Hitler thought Aryans were the best race and should rule the world (based) although he was not bloodthirsty out to kill all non-Aryans. Is that clear enough for you?
Regarding Japan, Hitler also [reportedly] makes clear he has no ill will toward Japan, indicating the Far East should belong to them
He's talking about what he has to do practically for the survival of Germany since Britian turned on him. Obviously if other white powers refuse to work with him, his previous hopes and dreams for the white race will have to fall by the wayside. Also from his Table Talks on January 5, 1942:
Hilter: The Englishman has two vulnerable points: one is the large base in Iran, Iraq, Syria, where his fleet refuels. The other is the Malayan archipelago: all petroleum support bases are eliminated there. But now he has the opportunity—whatever his plans in Europe may be, you know, the Empire stands and falls with India. If I put myself in the position of reconquering it, I do not see how that could succeed! I would ask myself: how am I to get even a single division across? I believe they are scraping things together to save themselves in the East. Above every plan stands the course of events. Conceivably one could bring Indian formations to Europe, but if this leads only to unrest, then England lacks the staying power. If things continue as they are, then within four weeks the Japanese troops will be in Singapore. England has thereby lost a large part of its strength. This is an area so vast spatially that it cannot be held with a single division.

It would be something different if the English had several thousand tons of fuel in reserve. Our armored transport from Sicily to Tripoli was recently intercepted, where they should, at all costs, have intercepted it to prevent us from transporting supplies across. If today’s transport were again intercepted, then things would not look good for them in Africa. If it came to the question of losing Tripoli or India, then Tripoli would be pushed forward and everything sent on to India.

General Gause: It was a stone lifted from our hearts when we heard of the Japanese declaration of war!

Hitler: For me, a millstone! I knew that a turn of unimaginable magnitude had occurred: the loss of an entire continent. It is regrettable, because the white race is losing it!
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fireofice wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 8:39 pm Callafangers, you are misinterpreting my intentions here. I'm not trying to say any of this is a problem. To be clear, I like these aspects of Hitler. If he wasn't racist, I wouldn't like him.
I may have misunderstood your position. These are good discussion topics, in any case.
fireofice wrote:
Callafangers wrote:British pilot: I was literally there and directly saw Hitler and Owens shake hands.
You: I am not convinced.

Which of these is more convincing?
Well if we have a memoir from Baldur von Schirach saying he would never shake hands with a black, that counts for something. It's a counter witness from someone who knew Hitler better.
I have found a copy of von Schirach's memoir online, in Spanish. Here is the relevant excerpt (translated):
The main star of the 1936 Olympic Games was the sprinter Jesse Owens, a Black American. When Hitler was present in the stadium, he usually congratulated the winner of the events from his box. When Jesse Owens won the hundred-meter race, he exclaimed:

“The Americans should be ashamed that Black people have to win their medals. I will not shake that Black man's hand.”

It was useless for Tschammer-Osten to beg him to receive the hero of the Games, in the interest of sportsmanship. A few hours later, at the Reich Chancellery, I tried to achieve the same objective with political arguments.

“America will consider the treatment given to Jesse Owens unfriendly,” I said. “He is an American citizen, and we are nobody to judge whom the Americans promote. Besides, he is a very courteous and well-mannered man, a college student.”

For the second time in the eleven years I had known Hitler, he shouted at me. “Do you think I'm going to have my picture taken shaking hands with a Black man?” he said.

Needless to say, I found that attitude completely unacceptable; faced with a racial issue, he didn't even acknowledge the spirit of unity and brotherhood that characterized the Olympics.

https://archive.org/stream/yo-crei-en-h ... h_djvu.txt
von Schirach's memoir was published well-after these "Hitler snubbed Owens" headlines and narratives had become widely popular. This narrative above is hardly believable and fits von Schirach's pattern of lying/fabricating elsewhere in his memoir, where he portrays himself as a manipulated victim of Hitler, having recognized the 'evil'. This was a common pattern in Nuremberg testimony, including von Schirach's. Here are other examples of his obvious lies, from his memoir:

Hitler intended to offer barbarian Stalin a castle to live in, upon capture by Germany:
According to Hoffmann, the Führer had replied with the utmost seriousness:

“I will place Klessheim Castle in Salzburg at his disposal. There he can spend the rest of his life, isolated from the outside world, as a high-ranking prisoner.”
Hitler saw Austrians/Viennese as enemies of Germany (with von Schirach exonerating himself):
"It was a mistake on my part to send you to Vienna. And it was a mistake to admit those Viennese into the Greater German Reich. I know those people because I lived among them in my youth. They are enemies of Germany."

Hitler's face was contorted with hatred.
Theatrical/absurd portrayal of 'mad/crazy/defeated' Hitler in February 1944:
One of the enormous doors opened, and Hitler appeared, accompanied by Bormann and Goebbels. He looked like a defeated man. He dragged one of his legs, visibly paralyzed, across the marble floor. His face had an ashen gray hue. With a trembling hand, he greeted us one by one. After shaking hands, he would grasp his right hand with his left, undoubtedly to conceal the tremor. Before us was not the Führer who had previously radiated such charisma; before us was a phantom who was pushing us toward the final catastrophe with the sole objective of prolonging his own life for a little while longer.
A fair summary on what actually happened at the Olympics comes from Encyclopedia Britannica (sources linked therein):
After the Olympics ended, stories claiming that Owens had been “snubbed” by Hitler circulated widely. As the most common variant of the story goes, after Owens won his first medal, Hitler, not wanting to acknowledge a non-Aryan athlete’s ability, left the stadium. Although Owens himself initially insisted that it was not true (he later claimed it was), the report appeared in newspapers around the world.

It is true that Hitler did not shake hands with Owens. In fact, he did not congratulate any gold medalists after the first day of competition on August 2, 1936. On the first day, Hitler met and shook hands with all the German gold medalists. (He also shook hands with a few Finnish athletes.) That night, Hitler left the stadium before African American high jumper Cornelius Johnson won his first gold medal; Hitler’s staff maintained that he had a pre-scheduled appointment. Hitler was reprimanded, and the head of the IOC, Henri de Baillet-Latour, told him that he could either congratulate all the gold medalists or none. Hitler chose to honor no one.

The next day—August 3, 1936—Owens won his first gold medal in the 100-meter dash. Hitler did not meet or shake hands with Owens. That said, there are several reports of a salute or wave. According to sports reporter and author Paul Gallico, writing from Berlin, Owens was “led below the honor box, where he smiled and bowed, and Herr Hitler gave him a friendly little Nazi salute, the sitting down one with the arm bent.” Owens himself later confirmed this, claiming that they exchanged congratulatory waves.

So, Owens was not personally snubbed by Hitler. However, Owens did feel that he had been snubbed by someone: U.S. Pres. Franklin D. Roosevelt. A month after the Olympic Games, Owens told a crowd, “Hitler didn’t snub me—it was [Roosevelt] who snubbed me. The president didn’t even send me a telegram.” Roosevelt never publicly acknowledged Owens’s triumphs—or the triumphs of any of the 18 African Americans who competed at the Berlin Olympics. Only white Olympians were invited to the White House in 1936.

https://www.britannica.com/story/was-je ... n-olympics
The above summary appears unaware of the Eric Brown handshake testimony, however, so this must still be factored in.
fireofice wrote:
Many blacks were treated very well under slavery. The notion that extreme abuses/mistreatment were the norm are a fabrication. See works by Lochlain Seabrook which, although met with some due criticism, cover this extensively.
I'll just use this as another example of misrepresentation of what I was saying. My point was that they weren't treated badly under literal slavery, so making much ado about blacks in Germany also not being treated badly isn't saying much. I'm not trying to make Hitler out to be a barbarian either. We seem to be talking past each other.
Thanks for clarifying, my apologies if I am reading too much "between the lines". That's partly a plight of written communication, I suppose, given a lack of perceptible 'tone'.
fireofice wrote:I'll lay my position out here. Hitler thought Aryans were the best race and should rule the world (based) although he was not bloodthirsty out to kill all non-Aryans. Is that clear enough for you?
Regarding Japan, Hitler also [reportedly] makes clear he has no ill will toward Japan, indicating the Far East should belong to them
He's talking about what he has to do practically for the survival of Germany since Britian turned on him. Obviously if other white powers refuse to work with him, his previous hopes and dreams for the white race will have to fall by the wayside. Also from his Table Talks on January 5, 1942:
Yes, I do not dispute that Hitler had prioritized an alliance and favorable relations with England previously. The bottom-line is that his ideals were merely ideals, and that the question of means to an end is critical, here. Jews engaged in parasitic scheming and subversive tactics, Germany engaged through reason and diplomacy. The difference is critical.
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fireofice wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 8:39 pm I'll lay my position out here: Hitler thought Aryans were the best race and should rule the world…
That is not ‘your’ position.
That is merely you regurgitating the lies we have all been brainwashed with for decades.

That was a “position” put in your head.
You didn’t arrive at it by research, reasoning and critical analysis.
Others created that ‘belief’ for you and induced you to uncritically and gullibly accept it as factual.

Sorry to be so direct. But those are such obviously false claims that they need to be treated like an insidious cancer and completely removed.

Please feel free to provide any credible, verifiable, authentic quotes from Adolph that support ‘your’ position, if you disagree.
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Wahrheitssucher wrote:Please feel free to provide any credible, verifiable, authentic quotes from Adolph that support ‘your’ position, if you disagree.
I already did from Mein Kampf. He explicitly said Aryans should possess all the resources of the world. He was a white supremacist and colonialist like a lot of great white men were back then. There's no need to freak out about it.
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I don’t have much time for Nick Fuentes. So I should admit that because of that I don’t actually KNOW his arguments in any depth, but ironically what I have listened to from him seems itself quite ‘shallow’. I choose not to waste my time on people who themselves don’t go ‘deep’ on what they are pontificating upon.

A much more interesting and well-read person who is causing people to ‘change their minds’ on WW2, the HolyH, Adolf H and WHO is driving the destruction of western society by uncontrolled immigration is DAN BILZERIAN.



I haven’t watched/listened to very much of him yet either, but what I have heard I’ve been very impressed by.

I haven’t watched all of the above-linked bitchute video. I only just found it after I saw excerpts elsewhere showing just what he said about WHO is driving immigration policy and WHY. His words I regard as the most intelligent, savvy, straight-talking on the topic that I have ever come across.

In the above video there is quite a lot said about the deliberate fallaciousness of the WW2 pseudo-history we have all been programmed with. Also the HolyH gets demolished in quite novel ways that I have never ever heard before.
Check it out.
Start from 1:37 if you want to begin with something relevant to this discussion.
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fireofice wrote: Sat Jan 10, 2026 11:50 am
Wahrheitssucher wrote:Please feel free to provide any credible, verifiable, authentic quotes from Adolph that support ‘your’ position, if you disagree.
I already did from Mein Kampf… [snip]
No, you did not.
I’m not “freaking out” just encouraging you to up your game.

What you did was you gave an English translation of Adolph’s words which you then re-interpreted (mis-interpreted?),
plus you didn’t even provide a reference to enable verification.
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I recognize these passages, if I am not mistaken these are from the Dalton translation, which would be considered as the most fair and most charitable to AH's original meaning. While I understand WS that no translation will be perfect, it seems FOI is giving the best interpretation possible here.

It's also worth mentioning that AH published these words in the mid 1920s, meaning they represent thoughts / opinions / reflections of the 1910s / 1920s, specifically when he says "presently". AH was obviously keenly aware of the "present" situation at this time, in that the world was indeed controlled by European Nations, along with many other triumphs of the Aryan races, just one example being the then-recent industrial revolution. I don't want to quibble here about who exactly is Aryan or not, but between the English, Dutch, French, Russian, Spanish, Portuguese and German empires, approximately 70-80% of the globe was controlled by Europeans / Aryans, depending exactly how you define it of course.

My interpretation of what he is advocating for here in MK, is for the world to maintain its "present" course and to not succumb to the sort of Third World-ism we have seen in recent decades, that's all. The reasons for wanting this should be obvious, given the current state of the world in 2026.

I also suggest we move discussion of AH's racial / foreign policy views to the Hilter and Third Reich forum
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