Callafangers' statements of fact / rebuttable presumptions about Belzec and Sobibor

[Keen]

Strange because it was a war zone in a region that was plagued with epidemics as well.

It does not logically follow that because Sobibor was in a war zone in a region that was plagued with epidemics that there are "huge mass graves" within the boundary of the Sobibor camp. (Same goes with Belzec, Chelmno and T II) NOTHING I have ever said contradicts the fact that lots of people died in lots of different ways in many different regions during WW II.

The question isn't: Were any of those people who died a war zone in a region that was plagued with epidemics buried in mass graves?

The question is: Has any "huge mass grave" containing the remains of any more than 6 people ever been archaeologically / forensically / scientifically proven to exist within the boundary of the Sobibor camp? And the answer of courese, is no.

What is strange is that there are so many extermination light / revisionists who fail to acknowledge this fact, and who cravenly refuse to accept their burden of proof when alleging otherwise. But that is the power of the big-lie technique. As well as the fact that:

It is easier to fool people than to convince them that they have been foolded.

[Keen]

The mainstream thesis of disappearing self immolating jews is completely untenable. Any way you look at it.

At this point, Nessie is trying to retcon history and say, well, of course there is no grave space, everybody was wrong, they started burning everybody before Aktion 1005...

Completely untenable is spot on.

But it is funny to see the two exterminationists arguing over whose convergence of evidence theory is better.

And notice that both Nessie and Callafangers are cravenly ignoring the other 800 pound gorillas in the room - the canceling and disappearance of the NOVA program, the unreleased GPR data and the complete lack of teeth.

As well as ignoring this simple question:

Which alleged "huge mass graves" was the soil that makes up the "mound of ashes" dug out of?

[Keen]

I'm bumping this post to highlight the utter hypocricy, cowardice and idiocy of Callafangers convergence of unsubstantiated allegations theory (Note: It has been edited to reflect Callafangers latest unsubstantiated allegation that the remains of as many as 39,000 jews currently lie in 7 "huge mass graves" within the boundary of the Sobibor camp):

Thank you Callafangers for cravenly dodging yet another simple question and demonstrating your level of courage, integrity and character. (See previous 5 posts above.)

Now let's let Callafangers demonstrate his level of intelligence.

Callafangers:

You're asking for precise quantification which we both know has not been achieved, hence it is pointless to ask.

Precise quantification of WHAT Callafangers?

Callafangers, can you tell us, what KIND of human remains has actually been located in each of Kola's 7 "huge mass graves"?

Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that archaeologists have actually discovered actual human remains in the following form in these "huge mass graves":

1
2
3
4
5
6
7

BTW Callafangers, here is a photo of all the teeth that I am aware of that were alleged to have been discoverd within the boundary of the Sobibor camp. Would you say that the number of teeth alleged to have been discovered at Sobibor has, or can be, precisely quantified?



Callafangers, would you please tell us what happened to the other 1,248,000 natural teeth that you say are buried in the 7 "huge masss graves?

BTW Callafangers, would you also tell us just how many natural human teeth and how many natural human teeth fragments are in that photo?

Yoram Haimi:

Our investigations [of "grave" #4] uncovered over 2000 bone fragments.

quantify
: to determine, express, or measure the quantity of

Callafafangers, would it have been possible for Haimi to to give us a more precise number of bone fragments? Do you think he could have weighed those "over 2000 bone fragments" that he allegedly uncovered in "huge mass grave" #4 if he really wanted to?

Callagangers - what would you guess that those alleged "over 2000 bone fragments" weigh? Less than 7 pounds?

Now let's watch Callafangers run away - again!

[Keen]

Callafangers:

Mazurek's team were only required to stop digging if/when they came across large quantities of corpse remains in situ... There is an abundance of unburnt human remains found in these graves, especially Graves 3-5... It is honestly staggering how clear-cut and conclusive the revisionist position is regarding the forensics at these sites.

Callafangers (to Nessie):

If you want to challenge what has been provided, you will need to at least take on the largest graves and make some attempt to estimate what is actually there, based on the descriptions provided between Kola/Mazurek. Best of luck.

Callafangers cravenly tucked tail and ran away form this:

Based on all of the evidence that I know exists,
especially all of the physical evidence uncovered by Yoram Haimi's archaeological excavations
( https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=19148#p19148 ),
and all of the geophysical data collected
( https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=18937#p18937 ),
and all of the physical evidence that Kola uncovered via core samples ("dozens of which contained at least some amount of corpse material" - i.e. - "charred human remains and remains in a state of decay")
and these photos of unanalyzed "but apparent" ash from an unknown source & "apparent burnt remains" from an unknown source in core samples taken from unknown locations:



I believe that it can be logically and rationally estimated that the following "huge mass graves" contain / contained - NO LESS THAN - the following amount of human remains:

"Huge mass grave" #1: ?

"Huge mass grave" #2: ?

"Huge mass grave" #3: ?

"Huge mass grave" #4: ?

"Huge mass grave" #5: ?

"Huge mass grave" #6: ?

"Huge mass grave" #7: ?

"Huge mass grave" #22 (The "Mound of Ashes"): ?

TOTAL: ?

And now that he is safely back behind the firewall in his revisionist safe space, he challenges Nessie to do the same thing he was challenged (and cravenly refused) to do.



What a hypocritical bitch!

[Keen]

Is it - True. - or - False. - that; at least one grave containing the remains of at least one person has been archaeologically / forensically / scientifically discovered within the boundary of the Sobibor camp - ??

Definitely true.

If it's any help, consider this debate from the perspective of a neutral observer. What or who is he likely to be convinced by? Person A, who claims that there is evidence of 180,000 people buried at Sobibor, or Person B, who claims that there are 0-10 persons buried there?

First off Wetzelrad, you forgot Person C, who claims that there are 10-40 thousand people buried in 7 "huge mass graves" at Sobibor, and that "It is honestly staggering how clear-cut and conclusive the revisionist position is regarding the forensics" at Sobibor.

And second, just like the dimwitt Callafangers (and most "revisionists" for that matter), you are misinterpreting what I'm saying, which is EXACTLY that what Mr. Gerdes says:

BELZEC, CHELMNO, PONARY, SOBIBOR and TREBLINKA II

Are the remains of 2.145 million Jews really buried in the 100 alleged “scientifically proven” mass graves?

(The labeling of asking this simple question as “hate / antisemitic” is your first clue that they do not want you to know what the answer is.)

OPENING / FUNDAMENTAL STATEMENT OF FACT: It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 100 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

Note: Using the information presented on this website and applying legal standards used in U.S. courts, the above opening / fundamental statement of fact, which is written as, and can be defined as - a rebuttable presumption - can be - LEGALLY - ACCEPTED - AS - TRUE - in a U.S. court.

http://thisisaboutscience.com/

Wetzelrad, I know you're more intelligent than Callafangers (who isn't?), but are you intelligent enough to understand the difference between what Mr. Gerdes says and the example you posted above?

And I would say that a "neutral observer" would give much more weight to a rebuttable presumption that can be legally accepted as true in a U.S. court than any statement made by some coward who is afraid to couch their position as a statement of fact.

Oh, BTW Wetzelrad, while I have your attention, you seem to have forgot to answer this followup question that I posed to you here:

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=19346#p19346

I'm sure it was just an innocent oversight on your part and not some kind of Callafangers type craven dodge.

I look forward to seeing your answer.

[Wetzelrad]

Wetzelrad, I know you're more intelligent than Callafangers (who isn't?), but are you intelligent enough to understand the difference between what Mr. Gerdes says and the example you posted above?

No, not really. Here are the two statements side-by-side:

[...] However, despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 100 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE. [...]

[...] or Person B, who claims that there are 0-10 persons buried there?

These don't strictly have the same meaning, but my phrasing accurately reflects how a reader will interpret Gerdes's statement. Gerdes tells the reader that across five camps there is a grave with only 6 bodies or remains. He leaves unspecified how many smaller graves can be added to that. We are left to guess how many total bodies Gerdes believes in. Perhaps 10. Nothing in the statement suggests he would accept more than that.

Which is fine, but it just isn't persuasive. It's true that the various attempts at locating and documenting graves in these camps have been confused, short on proof, even ascientific, but I don't think the people who led those attempts were devilish charlatans who lied about everything they saw. It is believable enough from their descriptions that they saw some cremains and some unburnt remains.

It is also highly plausible that more than ten people died in those five camps. For comparison, many of the western concentration camps had documented, registered death tolls in the tens of thousands. We should expect the eastern camps to have a comparable degree of mortality even though the documentation is missing.

And I would say that a "neutral observer" would give much more weight to a rebuttable presumption that can be legally accepted as true in a U.S. court than any statement made by some coward who is afraid to couch their position as a statement of fact.

Well I certainly wish Mr. Gerdes luck with that endeavor.

Is it - True. - or - False. - that; at least one grave containing the remains of at least one person has been archaeologically / forensically / scientifically discovered within the boundary of the Sobibor camp - ??

Definitely true.

Is it - True. - or - False. - that; at least one mass grave containing the remains of at least 5 people has been archaeologically / forensically / scientifically discovered within the boundary of the Sobibor camp - ??

The Mazurek group dug up ten skeletons in Sobibor around 2013. Five of them were found in one grave, as you're well aware. All of the skeletons were unburnt, all DNA tested to be Jews, and some had bullet wounds. My impression is that those ten are the only ones we ever have seen or will see dug out and photographed. Whatever follow-up question you have I am likely to ignore as unproductive.

[Keen]

Wetzelrad, I know you're more intelligent than Callafangers (who isn't?), but are you intelligent enough to understand the difference between what Mr. Gerdes says and the example you posted above?

No, not really. Here are the two statements side-by-side:

[...] However, despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 100 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE. [...]

[...] or Person B, who claims that there are 0-10 persons buried there?

These don't strictly have the same meaning, but my phrasing accurately reflects how a reader will interpret Gerdes's statement. Gerdes tells the reader that across five camps there is a grave with only 6 bodies or remains. He leaves unspecified how many smaller graves can be added to that. We are left to guess how many total bodies Gerdes believes in. Perhaps 10. Nothing in the statement suggests he would accept more than that.

Which is fine, but it just isn't persuasive. It's true that the various attempts at locating and documenting graves in these camps have been confused, short on proof, even ascientific, but I don't think the people who led those attempts were devilish charlatans who lied about everything they saw. It is believable enough from their descriptions that they saw some cremains and some unburnt remains.

It is also highly plausible that more than ten people died in those five camps. For comparison, many of the western concentration camps had documented, registered death tolls in the tens of thousands. We should expect the eastern camps to have a comparable degree of mortality even though the documentation is missing.

And I would say that a "neutral observer" would give much more weight to a rebuttable presumption that can be legally accepted as true in a U.S. court than any statement made by some coward who is afraid to couch their position as a statement of fact.

Well I certainly wish Mr. Gerdes luck with that endeavor.

Definitely true.

Is it - True. - or - False. - that; at least one mass grave containing the remains of at least 5 people has been archaeologically / forensically / scientifically discovered within the boundary of the Sobibor camp - ??

The Mazurek group dug up ten skeletons in Sobibor around 2013. Five of them were found in one grave, as you're well aware. All of the skeletons were unburnt, all DNA tested to be Jews, and some had bullet wounds. My impression is that those ten are the only ones we ever have seen or will see dug out and photographed. Whatever follow-up question you have I am likely to ignore as unproductive.

* * * * *

"Not really" is right Wetzelrad, as you just demonstrated that you ARE NOT any more intelligent than Callafangers, and why "revisionism" continues to flounder.

Wetzelrad:

Gerdes tells the reader that across five camps there is a grave with only 6 bodies or remains.

No Wetzelrad, Gerdes tell the reader this:

Despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 100 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

Can you prove that statement of fact wrong Wetzelrad - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Wetzelrad:

He leaves unspecified how many smaller graves can be added to that.

Wow! I bet some of the more intelligent revisionists (even I admit that there are a few) are cringing at that.

Gerdes specifies 99 other "graves" that could be added to that.

Wetzelrad:

We are left to guess how many total bodies Gerdes believes in.

Mr. Gerdes' rebuttable presumption is a statement of fact, not a statement of belief. A retarded 4th grader could figure that out.

Wetzelrad:

Nothing in the statement suggests he would accept more than that.

The statement of fact is a rebuttable presumption you idiot. Pull your head out of your ass.

Can you refute Mr. Gerdes' rebuttable presumption Wetzelrad - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Wetzelrad:

Which is fine, but it just isn't persuasive.

A statement of fact, which is written as, and can be defined as a rebuttable presumption, that can be LEGALLY ACCEPTED AS TRUE in a U.S. court isn't persuasive?

Talk about denial!

Wetzelrad:

It is also highly plausible that more than ten people died in those five camps.

Congradulations Wetzelrad, you have just put youself into the same class of retard as Callfangers.

Wetzelrad:

We should expect the eastern camps to have a comparable degree of mortality [tens of thousands] even though the documentation is missing.

Wetzelrad, there is more than just "documentation" that is missing.

Wetzelrad:

Whatever follow-up question you have I am likely to ignore as unproductive.



Look at Wetzelrad pre-dodging the next question!

The only problem is, he cravenly refused to even answer the last one I asked him:

Wetzelrad, Is it - True. - or - False. - that; at least one mass grave containing the remains of at least 5 people has been archaeologically / forensically / scientifically discovered within the boundary of the Sobibor camp - ??

Why are Wetzelrad and Callafangers so afraid to answer that simple question?

[Keen]

Like I say; Callafangers - the gift that keeps on giving:

Callafangers:

Nessie, this is basic 5th grade math. How are you not getting this?

I asked you to quantify it.... Nessie, please quantify what you are saying.

This is easy work. The fact that you do not do it is transparent to anyone reading this thread. You are making the 'Holocaust' establishment look very weak and indefensible by your inability or unwillingness to even attempt to quantify, here.

Says the craven dodger who says this:

With this latest reduction to grave no. 5, I'd lower my Sobibor estimate even further (from ~10-40,000 to ~9-36,000... there is an abundance of unburnt human remains found in these graves, especially Graves 3-5... It is honestly staggering how clear-cut and conclusive the revisionist position is regarding the forensics

Then cravenly runs away from this:

I believe that it can be logically and rationally estimated that the following "huge mass graves" contain / contained - NO LESS THAN - the following amount of human remains:

"Huge mass grave" #1: ?

"Huge mass grave" #2: ?

"Huge mass grave" #3: ?

"Huge mass grave" #4: ?

"Huge mass grave" #5: ?

"Huge mass grave" #6: ?

"Huge mass grave" #7: ?

Proof that most revisionists are the biggest hypocrites in the world.



Let me rephrase Callafangers words to Nessie:

Callafangers, this is basic 5th grade math. How are you not getting this?

I asked you to quantify it.... Callafangers, please quantify what you are saying.

This is easy work. The fact that you do not do it is transparent to anyone reading this thread. You are making the holocaust revisionist establishment look very weak and indefensible by your inability or unwillingness to even attempt to quantify, here.

Callafanges (and virtually all of his ilk) even refuses to answer this simple queston:

Is it - True. - or - False. - that; at least one mass grave containing the remains of at least 5 people has been archaeologically / forensically / scientifically discovered within the boundary of the Sobibor camp - ??

[Keen]

STATEMENT OF FACT: It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of 250,000 jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” within the boundary of Sobibor. However, despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 24 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at this site, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

By examining each “scientifically proven huge mass grave” allegation separately, an intelligent person can
easily see just how utterly vacuous and criminally fraudulent this transparent archaeological hoax really is.

I feel like I am an investigator in a criminal forensic laboratory.
After all, it is a murder scene. The Germans didn’t want anyone to find
out what was there. But thanks to what we have done, they didn’t succeed.

Yoram Haimi, "CSI archaeologist" while pretending to have "scientifically proven" the alleged murder and burial of 250,000 jews
in "huge mass graves" within the boundary of the Sobibo camp.

Well, the physical evidence at this "murder scene" must be massive and irrefutable then, don't you think?

Let's take a look at the physical evidence that these "CSI archaeologists" uncovered in this "criminal forensic laboratory" that allegedly "scientifically proves" that the remains of 250,000 jews are buried in 24 "huge mass graves" at Sobibor.

First, here are the maps that show all 24 of the fraudulently alleged "archaeologically / forensically / scientifically proven huge mass graves" of Sobibor:

Map one: https://postimg.cc/8sL2bvXB

Map two: https://i.postimg.cc/wM2cKdFC/Sobiborma ... -23-24.jpg[/url]

Map three: https://postimg.cc/gxpV26B7

FYI - The Kola map: https://i.postimg.cc/cCXSGNcr/Originalkolamap.jpg and a Kola quote from a Reuters article:

We uncovered... charred human remains and under them remains in a state of decay.

NOTE: The average number of jews / jewish remains ("charred" and "in a state of decay" or otherwise) that should be
buried in each of the 24 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" - IF - the Sobibor holocaust story is true, is: 10,417.
(That equates to a minimum of over 76,000 pounds / 38 tons of remains, including over 333,000 teeth - in each.)

Now take a look at all the so-called "irrefutable archaeological proof" while you answer a simple question about what you have been told to believe and what you see with your own eyes in each "huge mass grave":

"Grave" #1
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/c4D5S5WQ/Sobiborgraveone.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #2
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/XNkqPtNv/Sobibor2.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #3
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/L4Y33QcN/Sobibor3of3and4.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #4
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/tgvFhFDK/Sobibor4of3and4.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #5
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/L82PykQq/Sobiborgrave5.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #6
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/R0DrHbtw/Sobibor6.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #7
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/nc1KLWNk/Sobibor7-(1).jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #8
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/PqGczqhk/Sobibor8.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #9
Roberto Muehlenkamp: "Three (nos. 9, 10 and 11) are very small and therefore shouldn't be called "huge mass graves" but merely "graves.""
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #10
Roberto Muehlenkamp: "Three (nos. 9, 10 and 11) are very small and therefore shouldn't be called "huge mass graves" but merely "graves.""
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists..
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #11
Roberto Muehlenkamp: "Three (nos. 9, 10 and 11) are very small and therefore shouldn't be called "huge mass graves" but merely "graves.""
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

Mass Grave #12
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/B6NTySCs/xdum9skl.png
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

Grave #13
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/prXwbdbB/Sobiborsi ... ephoto.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

Grave #14
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/dtKQppRD/20250913-232757.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" 15
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/V6Dkg8yP/Sobiborgrave15.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

Mass grave #16
Photo:https://i.postimg.cc/GhcwkCJP/20250913-233406.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #17 (The alleged "well grave")
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #18
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/Hn3bd1w1/photo-Sobibor18.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #19
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #20
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/wvx9mKKv/Photo-Sobiborgrave20.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #21
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #22 (The "Mound of Ashes" / "Memory Hill")
(FYI - Lukasz Mieszkowski, the designer of Sobibor's memorial, has admitted that the "ash mound" is "MADE OF SOIL NOT CONTAINING ASHES" and holocaust historian Erik Somers has admitted that archaeological investigations in 2000 revealed that the "ash mound" is "COMPOSED ENTIRELY OF SAND brought in from outside the camp.")
Old photo (Of what was once called the "Ash Mound"): https://infocenters.co.il/gfh/multimedi ... _1_web.jpg
New Photo (Of what is now called "Memory Hill"): https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.QH5E9Pf89 ... d=1.7&rm=3
The difference? The removal of this: https://infocenters.co.il/gfh/multimedi ... _1_web.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #23 / "Object" 6094 (Marked in orange in map two above.)
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #24 / "Object" 6095 (Marked in orange in map two above.)
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were archaeologically proven to exist in this "huge mass grave."

TOTAL: _?_ (Your total did come to 250,000 or more - right? )

Well there you have it folks, "archaeological / forensic / scientific PROOF" (according to "holocaust scholars") that the remains
of 250,000 jews really are buried in 24 "huge mass graves" at Sobibor. (Hopefully, seeing all that "proof" didn't traumatize you.)


NUMBER OF "SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN HUGE MASS GRAVES" VIEWED: 16

TOTAL NUMBER OF jEWS ACCOUNTED FOR IN THOSE 16 "HUGE MASS GRAVES": 10

NUMBER OF "SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN HUGE MASS GRAVE" PHOTOS WE ARE STILL LOOKING FOR: 8

NUMBER OF jEWS WHO EITHER "MAGICALLY DISAPPEARED" AT SOBIBOR OR WERE TRANSITED ELSEWHERE: 249,990


Note: The lying POS who insist that the 24 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" of Sobibor really do contain the remains
of 250,000 jews have not only been invited, but encouraged to submit photos that substantiate their fraudulent allegations.

And this is the BEST that they can do. (And they do even worse when it comes to Belzec, Chelmno and Treblinka II!) And apparently, the jews who went to Sobibor to "archaeologically / forensically / scientifically" PROVE to the world that 250,000 jews really are buried in "huge mass graves" at Sobibor, FORGOT to photograph 1/3 of the "huge mass graves" that they allegedly discovered! Now you know why the jews have had to get laws passed criminalizing any public doubts about their transparent cognitive illusions. (And why the NOVA program about their "archaeological investigation" of Sobibor had to be canceled and disappeared, and why they refuse to publish the ground penetrating radar and all the other geophysical data they collected.)

And don't forget, there are thousands and thousands of dollars that the liars and frauds could earn - IF - the fraudulent Sobibor
holocaust story that they shamelessly peddle were true: http://thisisaboutscience.com/ (The fact that the sham "archaeologists / scientific investigators" run from these challenges is ipso facto proof of fraud.)

Now, answer this question: Do you A) believe your lying eyes that tell you that the Sobibor "archaeological investigation" was a fraudulent charade, or B) believe all that "undeniable" archaeological / forensic "proof" that "scientifically proves" the "undeniable truth" that the remains of 250,000 jews (over 912 tons worth) really were buried in 24 "huge mass graves" at Sobibor?

Warning: If you didn't see the remains of 250,000 jews in 24 "huge mass graves" and answered - A, then you are now officially (according to the jews), a "holocaust denier"! (Remember, any doubt at all of the official narrative is defined as "denial.") And if you answered - B, then you need to learn the definitions of the following: charade, cognitive illusion and the big-lie technique.

The Sobibor “pure extermination center” story is - A PROVEN, NONSENSICAL BIG-LIE.

[Keen]

Callafangers:

Nessie: quantify your estimated range for each grave and for the camp overall... Give a range, Nessie.

Here is mine (range goes from what I consider "reasonable minimum" to "absolute maximum"):

Grave 1: 2 - 10 (near-empty)
Grave 2: 150 - 1,200
Grave 3: 300 - 2,500
Grave 4: 1,200 - 7,000
Grave 5: 500 - 2,500
Grave 6: 550 - 3,800
Grave 7: 0 - 0 (empty)
TOTAL: 2,702 - 17,010

This is my attempt at an objective assessment based on grave descriptions... Most importantly: I am prepared to explain and justify the ranges I have chosen here.

Well then:

A- $100.00 reward - is being offered for each one of the 100 alleged graves / cremation pits in question that is proven - with the same standard of proof applied in U. S. civil courts - to actually exist and to currently contain the remains of - at least 2 people. (That is less than one tenth of one one thousandth of one percent of the alleged mass murder.)

http://thisisaboutscience.com/

What is Callafangers waiting for?

What is he so afraid of?

And why is Callafangers afraid to accept this challenge:

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=19979#p19979

Callafangers:

I have actually put forth a somewhat falsifiable argument

Then why is Callafangers so afraid to write his "somewhat falsifiable argument" as an actual statement of fact, which is written as, and can be defined as - a rebuttable presumption?

He challenges Nessie, but runs from challenges himself.

[Callafangers]

Define "same standard of proof applied in US civil courts" and how/whether archaeological excavations and reports should be interpreted there. Also, let me know how I can collect the $100 without giving you my actual identity.

[Keen]

Define "same standard of proof applied in US civil courts" and how/whether archaeological excavations and reports should be interpreted there. Also, let me know how I can collect the $100 without giving you my actual identity.

My definitioin is irrelevant. You will have to ask Mr. Gerdes what his definition is. Same with your other questions.

Additionally, and independent of any other Holocaust Archaeology Hoax Challenge, a - $100.00 reward - is being offered for each one of the 100 alleged graves / cremation pits in question that is proven - with the same standard of proof applied in U. S. civil courts - to actually exist and to currently contain the remains of - at least 2 people. (That is less than one tenth of one one thousandth of one percent of the alleged mass murder.)

To begin the incredibly easy process of laying claim to each reward and to set all requisite rules:

First - Potential claimants, using their real names, must submit their answers to the above - Forensic Evaluation Form - directly to Greg Gerdes. (See contact information below.)

Second - Potential claimants must then request and confirm receipt of the official rules.

Third - Potential claimants must then submit their alleged preponderance of scientific evidence directly to Greg Gerdes for his endorsement.

Note: Potential claimants may be required to post their submittal on an approved website - and successfully defend it. In such cases, they may also be required to - publicly pledge to sue Greg Gerdes in a U.S. civil court - (sans a jury and both sides pro se legal representation) if they refuse to accept a negative ruling.

Also note: Eligible potential claimants for any monetary disbursement offered on this website will be allowed to personally examine the proof that the ways and means to make good on their promised payment truly exists - and if they so choose, have said proven remittance amount be entrusted to an escrow agent.

...

For more information, contact - Greg Gerdes - at: thisisaboutscience@gmail.com

It looks to me that "huge mass graves" #12 & #16 would be slam dunks.

[Keen]

Callafangers:

If we were playing The Price Is Right, I'd stand on ~3,500.

3,500 divided by 24 equals 146.

1 - ?
2- ?
3 - ?
4 - ?
5 - ?
6 - ?
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8 - ?
9 - ?
10 - ?
11 - ?
12- ?
13 - ?
14 - ?
15 - ?
16 - ?
17- ?
18 - ?
19 - ?
20 - ?
21 - ?
22- ?
23 - ?
24 - ?

TOTAL: 3,500

This link:

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=19979#p19979

Should help you Callafangers.

[Keen]

let me know how I can collect the $100 without giving you my actual identity.

Have you contacted Mr. Gerdes yet Callafangers?

I obviously cannot speak for Mr. Gerdes, but I would be willing to bet that, if you present yourself as the official CODOH spokesman willing to defend the official CODOH position on the matter, Mr. Gerdes would be willing to consider it.

It's worth a try, isn't Callafangers?

I mean, unless you are afraid to actually contact Mr. Gerdes.

You're not afraid, are you Callafangers?

[Keen]

let me know how I can collect the $100

Well Callafangers, if you really think that you can earn any of the $100.00 rewards from Mr. Gerdes, why don't you show us here on CODOH what you have to present to Mr. Gerdes?