Auschwitz Crematorium 1 topics

[Fred Ziffel]

If it is ok with the Moderator, I hope I can use this as a one stop for those Crematoria 1 topics.

I will start off by submitting this for review. It seems that no one knows for sure how many ceiling holes in the alleged gas chamber there. I made this table with info for easy reference of all the number of ceiling hole claims. I referenced Mattogno's book on this issue. Hope you all find it interesting. See attached

[Hektor]

If it is ok with the Moderator, I hope I can use this as a one stop for those Crematoria 1 topics.

I will start off by submitting this for review. It seems that no one knows for sure how many ceiling holes in the alleged gas chamber there. I made this table with info for easy reference of all the number of ceiling hole claims. I referenced Mattogno's book on this issue. Hope you all find it interesting. See attached

Krema 1

Is perhaps the most well-known Holocaust related site. Since I think that this building has more tourists taken to it than any other of the supposed gas chambers. I guess it's more than the supposed homicidal gas chambers in Dachau or Mauthausen. Nothing in those buildings does however indicate that those were homicidal gas chambers, but there is some evidences of tampering with the them. The holes in the ceiling of Krema 1 are an indicator for this. There is of course more on this. Ultimately the bigger picture reveals the falsity of the narrative. But only few people know the bigger picture, since it takes time and effort as well as some intelligence to study that thoroughly. By the time some do, they have been primed already with lots of Holocaustian Cultural production.

[TlsMS93]

What is the point of four openings instead of one? The variety in the number of openings already demonstrates the fragility of the narrative.

[Fred Ziffel]

Hector, there is so much truth to those who come to the camp. I found this posting on X of someone who even the night before he got there, was already primed and ready to be emotionally drained, or sadden.

[Hektor]

Hector, there is so much truth to those who come to the camp. I found this posting on X of someone who even the night before he got there, was already primed and ready to be emotionally drained, or sadden.

Bear in mind how folks are exposed to the subject

1. They may have heard about it via friends and family.
2. The hear something on TV, read it in the Newspaper. movies, etc.
3. In school there is some "Holocaust Education".

So they come there with their prejudices already developed. Although some skeptics may also be there. The atmosphere primes the people to absorb the myth as 'truth'.


It's a bit like visiting Catholic shrines or pilgrim sites, people can have some 'spiritual experience' there... Which isn't spiritual, but rather emotional if not spiritist. I frequently hear visitors of Auschwitz saying that place got some strange vibe to it. And they subscribe that to 'the many people that were killed there'... Strange how that vibe can't be felt at other sites of many people being killed right now... Isn't it? So it rather relates to this being designed for persuasion than for education.

[borjastick]

t's a bit like visiting Catholic shrines or pilgrim sites, people can have some 'spiritual experience' there... Which isn't spiritual, but rather emotional if not spiritist. I frequently hear visitors of Auschwitz saying that place got some strange vibe to it. And they subscribe that to 'the many people that were killed there'... Strange how that vibe can't be felt at other sites of many people being killed right now... Isn't it? So it rather relates to this being designed for persuasion than for education.

Hektor
No doubt about it at all, you are right. I have heard the old chestnut that there is no wiildlife or birdsong at Auschwitz. This is nonsense of course but it adds to the creepiness they wish to portray for the camp.

On the subject of Alex Hearn and his very odd pre-visit comment, I suppose he knew he was at an airport by the number of planes coming and going, so he could discern reality. Wonder how he knew he was in a 'gas chamber' in Auschwitz just because someone told him... Does he still believe in fairies and Santa just because he was once told they existed.

[Hektor]

t's a bit like visiting Catholic shrines or pilgrim sites, people can have some 'spiritual experience' there... Which isn't spiritual, but rather emotional if not spiritist. I frequently hear visitors of Auschwitz saying that place got some strange vibe to it. And they subscribe that to 'the many people that were killed there'... Strange how that vibe can't be felt at other sites of many people being killed right now... Isn't it? So it rather relates to this being designed for persuasion than for education.

Hektor
No doubt about it at all, you are right. I have heard the old chestnut that there is no wiildlife or birdsong at Auschwitz. This is nonsense of course but it adds to the creepiness they wish to portray for the camp.

On the subject of Alex Hearn and his very odd pre-visit comment, I suppose he knew he was at an airport by the number of planes coming and going, so he could discern reality. Wonder how he knew he was in a 'gas chamber' in Auschwitz just because someone told him... Does he still believe in fairies and Santa just because he was once told they existed.

In all honesty, if I were a bird or rabbit, I'd avoid with so many nut-cases as well. There is indeed occasions were wildlife and birds avoided a place. But apparently Auschwitz wasn't one of them, yet. At the time of operation some SS-men apparently investigated the place and wrote ornithological reports on it:
https://archive.org/details/DieVogelwel ... z/mode/2up


There is a book by an author of the same title, but it is feeding the narrative in some way.
Arno Surminski
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As for Santa

"If the Holocaust didn't happen, where are all those Jews right now?"
"If Santa doesn't exist, who brought the all those Christmas presents?"

[TlsMS93]

As for Santa

"If the Holocaust didn't happen, where are all those Jews right now?"
"If Santa doesn't exist, who brought the all those Christmas presents?"

If Jesus did not rise again, why is the tomb empty?

[Hektor]

As for Santa

"If the Holocaust didn't happen, where are all those Jews right now?"
"If Santa doesn't exist, who brought the all those Christmas presents?"

If Jesus did not rise again, why is the tomb empty?

You won't go to jail for the last two. Interestingly the NT-Text has sufficient detail that the tomb was observed to be empty on short notice. And that makes it actually, despite being in the past long ago, more convincing than the Where did they go type of argument. Saying this may lend you in trouble nowadays.

[TlsMS93]

As for Santa

"If the Holocaust didn't happen, where are all those Jews right now?"
"If Santa doesn't exist, who brought the all those Christmas presents?"

If Jesus did not rise again, why is the tomb empty?

You won't go to jail for the last two. Interestingly the NT-Text has sufficient detail that the tomb was observed to be empty on short notice. And that makes it actually, despite being in the past long ago, more convincing than the Where did they go type of argument. Saying this may lend you in trouble nowadays.

Jewish authorities claim that the disciples secretly stole the body but we cannot say that they were deported to the occupied eastern territories.

[Hektor]

As for Santa

"If the Holocaust didn't happen, where are all those Jews right now?"
"If Santa doesn't exist, who brought the all those Christmas presents?"

If Jesus did not rise again, why is the tomb empty?

You won't go to jail for the last two. Interestingly the NT-Text has sufficient detail that the tomb was observed to be empty on short notice. And that makes it actually, despite being in the past long ago, more convincing than the Where did they go type of argument. Saying this may lend you in trouble nowadays.

Jewish authorities claim that the disciples secretly stole the body but we cannot say that they were deported to the occupied eastern territories.

They may actually have copied from that discoure once upon a time. While the narrative is plausible - far more plausible than the Holocaust Narrative - there is of course no attributable physical evidence to this event. Not for the crucifixion, not for the death of Jesus ( no body) not for the resurrection (again no resurrected body). But it is proportionally small event, so the 'no evidence found' finding should not come as a surprise. That's different from claiming millions were 'gassed' industrially... There should be evidence that wouldn't be there, if the claim isn't true. The physical evidence shown is that what you'd expected as well, even if it simply didn't happen.

[TlsMS93]

You won't go to jail for the last two. Interestingly the NT-Text has sufficient detail that the tomb was observed to be empty on short notice. And that makes it actually, despite being in the past long ago, more convincing than the Where did they go type of argument. Saying this may lend you in trouble nowadays.

Jewish authorities claim that the disciples secretly stole the body but we cannot say that they were deported to the occupied eastern territories.

They may actually have copied from that discoure once upon a time. While the narrative is plausible - far more plausible than the Holocaust Narrative - there is of course no attributable physical evidence to this event. Not for the crucifixion, not for the death of Jesus ( no body) not for the resurrection (again no resurrected body). But it is proportionally small event, so the 'no evidence found' finding should not come as a surprise. That's different from claiming millions were 'gassed' industrially... There should be evidence that wouldn't be there, if the claim isn't true. The physical evidence shown is that what you'd expected as well, even if it simply didn't happen.

I can't remember the historian now, whether it was Hilberg, who said that less than 100 or 70 individuals knew about the genocide. Were they the ones who exterminated and destroyed the evidence? It scares me that 3 million soldiers didn't dominate the world because of such efficiency.

Nessie believes in circumstantial evidence instead of the smoking gun that doesn't exist because of Blobel, such as deportation lists, no prisoner release lists, etc. Could the same be applied to the Germans expelled after the war from Central and Eastern Europe, most of them on death marches with only the clothes on their backs, died in gas chambers? Where are their bodies? Were they cremated? If there is no evidence, was there an Allied Blobel? Is the book "Germany Must Perish" the Allied Wannsee Protocol?

If this was not genocide but ethnic cleansing with side effects, then how do they expect us to swallow the Holocaust?

[Hektor]

The excuse for non-existing evidence seems to be that it is plausible that the perpetrator would have destroyed evidence, hence the fact that there isn't really any evidence exceeding what the Revisionist Thesis says is that 'the Nazis made it vanish'... Now that only sounds plausible if you superficially listen to that argument. Once you go through it, it turns out to be a rather foolish one.

[Fred Ziffel]

Many times I come across a posting of "wooden door" on X. Particularly the one at the touristy gas chamber.
Statements saying that if there was a door like this, people could break the door down and escape. Which is true if the door was a part of an alleged gas chamber. Perhaps many here are aware the wooden door with glass pane door was not part of the alleged GC. Here are attachments that explain why
attached are:
April 10 1942 drawing dated during the time period of this alleged gassings
Photo that shows a trace of the wall that once was there
Sept 2, 1944 drawing when turned into an air raid shelter

My argument is the wall was torn down to legitimize the location of Ceiling Hole "A"
The doorway location for #2 wall, location of door from alleged GC to oven room and the Ceiling Hole "A" would not make any sense. With the #2 wall not there they created a room with more space, thus more people and thus more horror. Recall the location of the doorway from alleged GC to oven room is not in the original location also
By doing this, the museum left themselves open to criticism about the rigidity issues of the glass pane door
No sign explaining there was a wall there did not go up outside the building until at least 1998. the signs there now do explain things and finally admitted to an Urn Room. See "h"
See reply to this for more photos and drawing

[Fred Ziffel]

#2 wall was there in Nov 1940 too
See letter "h" for Urn Room
See location of Ceiling Hole "A"
Hope this was interesting