Adolf Eichmann: a made up villain, like Mengele?

[Bundeswehr]

Hello everyone, I hope this thread finds interest upon all those who are lucky enough to have stumbled upon it.

Recently, I have been thinking quite much of Adolf Eichmann, the man who supposedly "architected" the "final solution to the Jewish question", and allegedly was captured by Mossad.

Personally, I have come to thought that the guy they got was not indeed Eichmann, and a crisis actor in his stead.

Why?

Simple: we know as a fact that most of the stuff regarding Josef Mengele is made up as atrocity propagate, so who's to say it is not the same for Eichmann? Not only that, but there's quite a lot of vagueness, mysteries, unexplained phenomenon to observe, and outrageous, nonsensical claims that were made at his trial which most Holocaust scholars now deny themselves; for example: Josef Mengele's experiment surrounding a sewing of twins veins; nonsensical; and now denied.

Later, I will link and post some more outrageous bullshit regarding Eichmann, but it's late as I write this and I wish to go to bed. But, before I do, I have a question and one request:

Do you think the guy they got was actually Eichmann, or a double stunt/doppelgänger and crisis actor?

As of now, I think I have came to settle on this conclusion, which I am open to change if presented with conflicting evidence. My reasoning: there's obviously a structural difference in "Eichmann" in Jerusalem, and him during his tenure in the SS. He seems to be such a fictional character to serve Jewish interests, and affirm their mythical fables. It seems to convenient to me that got him, but never the rest of their made up fairytale characters.

Not only this, but also the vagueness for such a high-value case, and heavy contradictions in official Israeli claims around him, fabricated evidence and accusations brought against him that many holohoax historians now deny due to their nonsensical dogma, and the whole story feeling all so made up.

Could you perhaps do me a favor, and link to me some resources and materials to show that he was indeed a crisis actor, and that it was all a fabrication, and that he was a crisis actor, or something interesting that claims otherwise? I'll do my part and link my own resources and materials, devolve into some theories, and present claims surrounding him, tomorrow.

As for now, I must sleep. But I shall be delighted to see you all tomorrow morning, hopefully.

Thanks!

[Callafangers]

Hello Bundeswehr, welcome to the forum. No, I don't think it's reasonable to suggest that the person captured was not Eichmann. That takes any alleged conspiracy to much greater heights, far beyond and more extraordinary than anything which evidence can support.

Regarding Eichmann, consider reviewing this thread for more information:

'Eichmann and the Sassen Tapes'
viewtopic.php?t=358

...as well as the Holocaust Encyclopedia entry on him:

'Eichmann, Adolf'
https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/witne ... adolf/273/

[Stubble]

Personally, I think they got Eichmann.

I also think Eichmann is a traitor to his people. To be generous to him, I will say, he was not the first. Honestly I can only imagine his surprise when Hoess confessed to murdering 3,000,000 jews at Auschwitz. Then there were those who tried to hang the blame on him before they danced at the end of a rope. (Or walked)

Keep in mind, the einsatzgruppen trials resulted in hangings because there were no orders. Eichmann figured he could slip the noose by claiming there were.

He told them everything they wanted to hear. He affirmed an order, he affirmed geysers of blood, Treblinka, Auschwitz, the whole 9.

He still swung though. He'd have swung just the same if he had told the truth, difference is, it would just be his pants that were stained, not his honor and the honor of his people...

(I, strongly dislike Eichmann)

Oh, and WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!!

[Eye of Zyclone]

Personally, I think they got Eichmann.

I also think Eichmann is a traitor to his people. To be generous to him, I will say, he was not the first. Honestly I can only imagine his surprise when Hoess confessed to murdering 3,000,000 jews at Auschwitz.

He told them everything they wanted to hear. He affirmed an order, he affirmed geysers of blood, Treblinka, Auschwitz, the whole 9.

(I, strongly dislike Eichmann)

Hard to judge him without being in his shoes. Who knows what you or I would do in the hands of depraved monsters who now proudly boast of raping prisoners (some to death, it seems) who were at their mercy?



The Israeli judge who presided over the Eichmann 'trial', Moshe Landau is also the judge who made torture legal in Israel.

Moshe Landau

Moshe Landau (Hebrew: משה לנדוי; 29 April 1912 – 1 May 2011)[1] was an Israeli judge. He served on the Supreme Court of Israel from 1953 until his retirement in 1982. Landau was the fifth President of the Supreme Court, from 1980 to 1982.[2]

In 1961, Landau presided over the landmark Eichmann trial.[9]

In 1987, he headed the Landau Commission, investigating Shin Bet's procedures. The commission found instances of perjury and legal violations, acknowledging the use of "moderate physical pressure" in interrogations.[10] However, this drew criticism from human rights groups, who maintained that the practices authorized by the commission amounted to torture.[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Lan ... _education

Landau Commission

The Landau Commission was a three-man Commission set up by the Israeli Government in 1987 following a long-running scandal over the deaths of two Palestinian prisoners in custody and the wrongful conviction of a Circassian IDF officer. The Commission, headed by former Supreme Court Justice Moshe Landau, found that the GSS (General Security Service/Shabak/Shin Bet) interrogators routinely used physical force during the interrogation of prisoners and then committed perjury at subsequent trials. In its conclusion, approved by Cabinet in November 1987, it lay down guidelines for the use of a "moderate measure of physical pressure". The details of the recommended methods were described in the classified appendix to the report.[1] In 1994 the UN Committee Against Torture stated: "The Landau Commission Report, permitting as it does 'moderate physical pressure' as a lawful mode of interrogation, is completely unacceptable to this Committee."[2]

The Commission found that interrogators were permitted "from time to time to employ means of pressure, including physical pressure." They found this measure "unavoidable" and "an interrogation tool of utmost importance"[8]

Interrogation techniques
The Commission found that the use of violence against Palestinians suspected of terrorism and other Palestinian prisoners was an acceptable method of interrogation.

Elsewhere they state: "The effective interrogation of terrorist suspects is impossible without the use of means of pressure, in order to overcome an obdurate will not to disclose information and to overcome the fear of the person under interrogation that harm will befall him from his own organization, if he does reveal information."[16] And: "The means of pressure should principally take the form of non-violent psychological pressure through a vigorous and extensive interrogation, with the use of stratagems, including acts of deception. However, when these do not attain their purpose, the exertion of a moderate measure of physical pressure cannot be avoided."[17]

In 1968 the International Committee for the Red Cross issued a report on Nablus Prison, one of the IDF's detention centers in the recently captured West Bank. It found:

• "Suspension of the detainee by the hands and simultaneous traction of his other members for hours at a time until he loses consciousness.

• Burns with cigarette stubs.

• Blows by rods on the genitals.

• Tying up and blindfolding for days.

• Bites by dogs.

• Electric shocks at the temples, the mouth, the chest and testicles."

The first study of interrogation techniques following the Landau Commission was published in March 1991 by the Israeli Human Rights organisation B'tselem: "The Interrogation of Palestinians during the Intifada: Ill-Treatment, Moderate Physical Pressure or Torture?"[31] Based on interviews with 41 prisoners the report concluded:

"A number of interrogation methods appear to be common, even routine in the group we interviewed. Virtually all our sample were subject to: verbal abuse, humiliation and threats of injury; sleep and food deprivation; hooding for prolonged periods; enforced standing for long periods, sometimes in an enclosed space, hands bound behind back and legs tied ("al-Shabah"); being bound in other painful ways (such as the "banana" position); prolonged periods of painful confinement in small specially constructed cells (the "closet" or "refrigerator") and severe and prolonged beatings on all parts of the body, resulting in injuries requiring medical treatment."[32]

A 1995 official report by Miriam Ben-Porat, made public in 2000, showed that Shin Bet "routinely" went beyond the "moderate physical pressure" authorised by the Landau Commission. In the report, Israel admitted for the first time that Palestinian detainees suspected of terrorism were tortured during the First Intifada, between 1988 and 1992.[33]

A 2009 report by B'Tselem into the Shin Bet interrogation facility at Petah Tikva, based on testimony from 121 Palestinians, stated that: "In the interrogation room, detainees are forced to sit bound to a rigid chair unable to move, for hours and even days, causing intense pain in some cases. The hygienic conditions are appalling: detainees are sometimes denied showers and not given a change of clothes and toilet paper. At least some cells reek and have mould. The food is of poor quality and quantity, and detainees lose weight. During interrogation, detainees are exposed to threats, including threats against family members, and sometimes to violence. Other severe means include exposing the detainees to extreme heat and cold and depriving them of sleep."[34]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landau_Commission

And I remember talking to someone with professional experience in psychiatry who told me that Eichmann looked like he was under some will-breaking drugs during his 'trial' in Jerusalem. Interesting food for thought...

[Bundeswehr]

Hello Bundeswehr, welcome to the forum. No, I don't think it's reasonable to suggest that the person captured was not Eichmann. That takes any alleged conspiracy to much greater heights, far beyond and more extraordinary than anything which evidence can support.

Regarding Eichmann, consider reviewing this thread for more information:

'Eichmann and the Sassen Tapes'
viewtopic.php?t=358

...as well as the Holocaust Encyclopedia entry on him:

'Eichmann, Adolf'
https://holocaustencyclopedia.com/witne ... adolf/273/

I skimmed over both of the pages you linked me, and read through them. But they don't actually link the sassen tapes themselves and just barely scrape over the whole thing

Also, your evidence says that Eichmann said that there were 10.7 million dead at auchwitz, that there were Soviet submarines that gassed Jews hundreds of kilometers off of Poland's shore(s) in shitty lublin peasant house, that there were literal fountains of blood at auchwitz, that there were vein experiments, and that a German soldier had a gun up his asshole whilst shooting a Jew in a line one foot away and her surviving and also being thrown in a pit without realizing, and that cartoons were shown as "evidence".

What is logical to any of this? Theyre obviously fabricating shit, and we all know they made up the whole narrative of the holohoax and caricture regarding figures such as Josef Mengele

And, none of it explains the steep difference between the facial structures of Adolf Eichmann, his made up bullshit capture story that doesn't make sense, and what happened to him seeing Israeli contradictions.

People https://fashfront.st/threads/eichmann-l ... -did.1745/ such as this guy has gone to point it out, I'd recommend it, it's a good read

To affirm they got eichmann would to be to affirm the whole narrative of the holohoax, and the obvious nonsensical bullshit regarding his case

[Bundeswehr]

Personally, I think they got Eichmann.

I also think Eichmann is a traitor to his people. To be generous to him, I will say, he was not the first. Honestly I can only imagine his surprise when Hoess confessed to murdering 3,000,000 jews at Auschwitz. Then there were those who tried to hang the blame on him before they danced at the end of a rope. (Or walked)

Keep in mind, the einsatzgruppen trials resulted in hangings because there were no orders. Eichmann figured he could slip the noose by claiming there were.

He told them everything they wanted to hear. He affirmed an order, he affirmed geysers of blood, Treblinka, Auschwitz, the whole 9.

He still swung though. He'd have swung just the same if he had told the truth, difference is, it would just be his pants that were stained, not his honor and the honor of his people...

(I, strongly dislike Eichmann)

Oh, and WELCOME TO THE FORUM!!!

apparently he jumped through 30 ft through three holes into a dark pit, according to Israeli claims and shalom nagar, who's also gone to say and contradict the official claim of three hangmen by saying he was the sole guy, and that he pressed a shitty button to do so on a shitty makeshift piece of shit they don't even disclose to us.

And then, afterwards, he supposedly got his ashes dumped after a way to short to be possible burn in a shitty oven, within less than normal timing, and the. Another massive contradiction comes out on how they did it and whether or not it was on an Israeli police boat or a shipping boat. (There's zero shipping logs for either trip, nor the El al logs for his alleged "capture").

This is obviously made up, why would you ever believe this? The side was obviously a crisis actor! Some have even gone to say he was a jew, who set up the irgun, and it is factual he had heavy involvement with the havaara agreement, it's even known he spoke yiddish and Hebrew. There's conspiracy theories in which they say they never killed Eichmann, but got him involved in intelligence and Israel's nuclear program, and used the trial as a disguise and to psyop mizrahim youth.

There were also plenty of accusations brought up against Eichmann in the 40s and 30s that he was a jew

Anyways, there's literally no evidence that they killed eichmann, and it's obviously made up

If you want to read my sources, they're here:

1. https://www.timesofisrael.com/shalom-na ... s-aged-88/
2. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/05/worl ... -dead.html
3. https://www.haaretz.com/2010-12-03/ty-a ... ef72bd0000
4. https://www.nationalww2museum.org/war/a ... f-eichmann
5. https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czd59lvrnn5o
6. https://www.voltairenet.org/article217019.html
7. https://www.jns.org/the-man-behind-the- ... -eichmann/
8. https://www.economist.com/obituary/2024 ... f-eichmann
9. https://www.timesofisrael.com/report-of ... o-nuclear/
10. https://codoh.com/library/document/jewi ... testimony/
11. https://www.archives.gov/iwg/research-p ... hmann.html
12. https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... ld/381222/
13. https://forward.com/culture/829/what-we ... -eichmann/
14. https://historicimages.com/products/mva ... 0NrET2Z7dN
15. https://nsarchive2.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEB ... /doc73.pdf
16. https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,734 ... 92,00.html
17. https://codoh.com/library/document/talk ... id-irving/


I'll post some videos later.

[Bundeswehr]

Personally, I think they got Eichmann.

I also think Eichmann is a traitor to his people. To be generous to him, I will say, he was not the first. Honestly I can only imagine his surprise when Hoess confessed to murdering 3,000,000 jews at Auschwitz.

He told them everything they wanted to hear. He affirmed an order, he affirmed geysers of blood, Treblinka, Auschwitz, the whole 9.

(I, strongly dislike Eichmann)

Hard to judge him without being in his shoes. Who knows what you or I would do in the hands of depraved monsters who now proudly boast of raping prisoners (some to death, it seems) who were at their mercy?



The Israeli judge who presided over the Eichmann 'trial', Moshe Landau is also the judge who made torture legal in Israel.

Moshe Landau

Moshe Landau (Hebrew: משה לנדוי; 29 April 1912 – 1 May 2011)[1] was an Israeli judge. He served on the Supreme Court of Israel from 1953 until his retirement in 1982. Landau was the fifth President of the Supreme Court, from 1980 to 1982.[2]

In 1961, Landau presided over the landmark Eichmann trial.[9]

In 1987, he headed the Landau Commission, investigating Shin Bet's procedures. The commission found instances of perjury and legal violations, acknowledging the use of "moderate physical pressure" in interrogations.[10] However, this drew criticism from human rights groups, who maintained that the practices authorized by the commission amounted to torture.[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Lan ... _education

Landau Commission

The Landau Commission was a three-man Commission set up by the Israeli Government in 1987 following a long-running scandal over the deaths of two Palestinian prisoners in custody and the wrongful conviction of a Circassian IDF officer. The Commission, headed by former Supreme Court Justice Moshe Landau, found that the GSS (General Security Service/Shabak/Shin Bet) interrogators routinely used physical force during the interrogation of prisoners and then committed perjury at subsequent trials. In its conclusion, approved by Cabinet in November 1987, it lay down guidelines for the use of a "moderate measure of physical pressure". The details of the recommended methods were described in the classified appendix to the report.[1] In 1994 the UN Committee Against Torture stated: "The Landau Commission Report, permitting as it does 'moderate physical pressure' as a lawful mode of interrogation, is completely unacceptable to this Committee."[2]

The Commission found that interrogators were permitted "from time to time to employ means of pressure, including physical pressure." They found this measure "unavoidable" and "an interrogation tool of utmost importance"[8]

Interrogation techniques
The Commission found that the use of violence against Palestinians suspected of terrorism and other Palestinian prisoners was an acceptable method of interrogation.

Elsewhere they state: "The effective interrogation of terrorist suspects is impossible without the use of means of pressure, in order to overcome an obdurate will not to disclose information and to overcome the fear of the person under interrogation that harm will befall him from his own organization, if he does reveal information."[16] And: "The means of pressure should principally take the form of non-violent psychological pressure through a vigorous and extensive interrogation, with the use of stratagems, including acts of deception. However, when these do not attain their purpose, the exertion of a moderate measure of physical pressure cannot be avoided."[17]

In 1968 the International Committee for the Red Cross issued a report on Nablus Prison, one of the IDF's detention centers in the recently captured West Bank. It found:

• "Suspension of the detainee by the hands and simultaneous traction of his other members for hours at a time until he loses consciousness.

• Burns with cigarette stubs.

• Blows by rods on the genitals.

• Tying up and blindfolding for days.

• Bites by dogs.

• Electric shocks at the temples, the mouth, the chest and testicles."

The first study of interrogation techniques following the Landau Commission was published in March 1991 by the Israeli Human Rights organisation B'tselem: "The Interrogation of Palestinians during the Intifada: Ill-Treatment, Moderate Physical Pressure or Torture?"[31] Based on interviews with 41 prisoners the report concluded:

"A number of interrogation methods appear to be common, even routine in the group we interviewed. Virtually all our sample were subject to: verbal abuse, humiliation and threats of injury; sleep and food deprivation; hooding for prolonged periods; enforced standing for long periods, sometimes in an enclosed space, hands bound behind back and legs tied ("al-Shabah"); being bound in other painful ways (such as the "banana" position); prolonged periods of painful confinement in small specially constructed cells (the "closet" or "refrigerator") and severe and prolonged beatings on all parts of the body, resulting in injuries requiring medical treatment."[32]

A 1995 official report by Miriam Ben-Porat, made public in 2000, showed that Shin Bet "routinely" went beyond the "moderate physical pressure" authorised by the Landau Commission. In the report, Israel admitted for the first time that Palestinian detainees suspected of terrorism were tortured during the First Intifada, between 1988 and 1992.[33]

A 2009 report by B'Tselem into the Shin Bet interrogation facility at Petah Tikva, based on testimony from 121 Palestinians, stated that: "In the interrogation room, detainees are forced to sit bound to a rigid chair unable to move, for hours and even days, causing intense pain in some cases. The hygienic conditions are appalling: detainees are sometimes denied showers and not given a change of clothes and toilet paper. At least some cells reek and have mould. The food is of poor quality and quantity, and detainees lose weight. During interrogation, detainees are exposed to threats, including threats against family members, and sometimes to violence. Other severe means include exposing the detainees to extreme heat and cold and depriving them of sleep."[34]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landau_Commission

And I remember talking to someone with professional experience in psychiatry who told me that Eichmann looked like he was under some will-breaking drugs during his 'trial' in Jerusalem. Interesting food for thought...

I feel as if the whole thing's a sham, Eichmann in some photos is seen to be smiling with his "captures", and he looks nothing alike to his capture photos or SS photos.

I wouldn't doubt that they mind broke him in the two years preceding his "trial", but it was probably to make a good story for goyim

Hey, could you tell me who said that about him being drugged? And anything else, please

[Callafangers]

I skimmed over both of the pages you linked me, and read through them. But they don't actually link the sassen tapes themselves and just barely scrape over the whole thing

The "Sassen tapes themselves" are not available anywhere, at least not to revisionists (this is also discussed in the same thread). You need to find the available analysis and interpretations online and make what you can of it. If you ever do come across the complete Sassen tapes/recordings, please do share them here.

Also, your evidence says that Eichmann said that there were 10.7 million dead at auchwitz, that there were Soviet submarines that gassed Jews hundreds of kilometers off of Poland's shore(s) in shitty lublin peasant house, that there were literal fountains of blood at auchwitz, that there were vein experiments, and that a German soldier had a gun up his asshole whilst shooting a Jew in a line one foot away and her surviving and also being thrown in a pit without realizing, and that cartoons were shown as "evidence".

What is logical to any of this? Theyre obviously fabricating shit, and we all know they made up the whole narrative of the holohoax and caricture regarding figures such as Josef Mengele

I don't know what you're talking about. I never said any of this.

And, none of it explains the steep difference between the facial structures of Adolf Eichmann, his made up bullshit capture story that doesn't make sense, and what happened to him seeing Israeli contradictions.

People https://fashfront.st/threads/eichmann-l ... -did.1745/ such as this guy has gone to point it out, I'd recommend it, it's a good read

It's not a good read. It's the same nonsense seen in any other 'conspiracy theory' about body-swapping, all of which present themselves as being of precise measurements and analysis but none of which hold up to scrutiny. This is Flat Earth, essentially.

To affirm they got eichmann would to be to affirm the whole narrative of the holohoax, and the obvious nonsensical bullshit regarding his case

...or they simply "got" him because he was simply in Argentina. You need to explain where the real Eichmann went, for starters, or at least attempt to, otherwise your theory is dead in the water.

You wouldn't happen to be a "ConfusedJew", would you?

[Stubble]

Eichmann did claim a death toll of >10,000,000 at Auschwitz and that a Soviet submarine engine was used to murder people in a 'peasant hovel' at Treblinka. Along with fountains and rivers of blood.

He, did say these things.

They are complete bullshit of course, but the words did fall out of his mouth.

Bundeswehr, I'm going to be extremely blunt. I don't buy the body swap line. That's Eichmann, and his wife was his wife, and his kids were his kids.

For his absolute betrayal of the truth, I rate him lower than slime. After what happened to the others, he should have known he was going to dance (at the end of a rope), and in torture, he should have become more resolved to tell it, (the truth) not less so.

At least his tales were fantastical enough to be easily identified as the lies they are. That's the only concession I can make for him.

I don't think I'm going to be useful or productive in this thread, so, this is my last post on the subject presented here.

GLFH all

[Eye of Zyclone]

Hey, could you tell me who said that about him being drugged? And anything else, please

No, I can't. He was someone who wasn't famous (his name would bring nothing more) and lives in a country where Holocaust revisionism is illegal. Just a casual talk on a cigarette break at work many years ago.

[slob]

Please delete if not relevant.

I asked grok where Eichmann was born and it states Solingen, Germany.

But these old newspapers say he was born in Palestine and could speak fluent Hebrew?

Grok also states the Palestine line was war time propaganda, to put Eichmann in a good light to the jews/zionists etc?

Was it propaganda or what?

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[Callafangers]

While interesting, I am not sure it's especially revealing or meaningful that Eichmann was born in Palestine in a German colony. Palestine was far from a "Jewish state" at this time, still overwhelmingly (~95%+) Arab around the time Eichmann would have been born (1900s-10s?). He was apparently nearby enough to Jewish communities to have learned Hebrew but I am not sure that speaks to how or whether that would have influenced his life and perception in ways to, say, compromise him as a "Nazi" later on. It does make his story more interesting, though, in any case...