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[Keen]

Stubble, when looking at the offical maps, are alleged graves shown, numbered and described as "graves"?

Note that "huge mass grave" #18 is not shown on either of these maps, but for the time being, let's assume that there is an official map out there that includes it, and that the "ash mound" has been renamed "memory hill."





And to clarify, we need to ask the questions:

How many graves are shown and numbered in these two official maps? (For arguments sake, let's assume #18 is shown and listed in there somewhere. And we will count #22 / "memory hill" / "the ash mound" as an officially listed and numbered grave as well.)

Is it alleged in acadamia and the mainstream media that the Haimi, Bauman, Freund, etc., "investigation" team, "archaeologically / forensicly / scientificaly" proved that the remains of 250,000 jews currently lie in those 22 graves?

[Keen]

Stubble, I have a favor to ask you. Would you please go here:

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=16876#p16876

and copy and paste that post in this thread?

Thanks.

[Stubble]

By examining each “scientifically proven mass grave” allegation separately, an intelligent person can easily
see just how utterly vacuous and criminally fraudulent this transparent archaeological hoax really is.

So let's try to locate those 250,000 jews that are fraudulently alleged to be buried in Sobibor, shall we?

First, here are the maps that show the fraudulently alleged "archaeologically proven huge mass graves" of Sobibor:

Map one: https://postimg.cc/8sL2bvXB

Map two: https://postimg.cc/gxpV26B7

Note: Alleged "huge mass grave" #18 is not shown in either of these maps.

NOTE: The average number of jews that should be buried in each of the 22 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" - IF - the Sobibor holocaust story is true, is: 11,364

"Mass grave" #1: (Haimi: "Graves one and two are not mass graves... The fill [of "grave" 1] is composed of... sand")
Photo: https://static-cdn.toi-media.com/www/up ... 24x640.jpg

* We will give this "grave" a count of - 0 / zero - unless and until one of the charlatans or a reality denier can prove otherwise.

"Mass grave" #2: (Haimi: "At a depth of 3 meters we again encountered ground water... Grave 2... did not constitute a mass grave.")
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/XNkqPtNv/Sobibor2.jpg

* We will give this "grave" a count of - 0 / zero - unless and until one of the charlatans or a reality denier can prove otherwise.

"Mass grave" #3: (Haimi: "Bones and hair were discovered in Grave No. 3.")
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/L4Y33QcN/Sobibor3of3and4.jpg

* We will give this "grave" a count of - 0 / zero - unless and until one of the charlatans or a reality denier can prove otherwise.

"Mass grave" #4: (Haimi: "Our investigations [of "grave" #4] uncovered over 2000 bone fragments.")

Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/tgvFhFDK/Sobibor4of3and4.jpg

* We will give this "grave" a count of - 0 / zero - unless and until one of the charlatans or a reality denier can prove otherwise.

"Mass grave" #5: (Haimi: "Grave No. 5, two meters in depth, contained the remains of unburnt bones and hair.")
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/L82PykQq/Sobiborgrave5.jpg

* We will give this "grave" a count of - 0 / zero - unless and until one of the charlatans or a reality denier can prove otherwise.

"Mass grave" #6: (Haimi: "The eastern and western boundaries of Grave No. 6 were uncovered, revealing burnt bones.)
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/R0DrHbtw/Sobibor6.jpg

* We will give this "grave" a count of - 0 / zero - unless and until one of the charlatans or a reality denier can prove otherwise.

"Mass grave" #7: (Haimi: "Grave No. 7 cancelled out the crematorium.")
Photo: https://postimg.cc/XZB0LZmf

* We will give this "grave" a count of - 0 / zero - unless and until one of the charlatans or a reality denier can prove otherwise.

"Mass grave" #8: (Haimi: "Grave No. 8... is 1.80 meters in depth. It contained three layers of human bones.")
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/Xvfpv4Fr/Sobibor8and15.jpg

* We will give this "grave" a count of - 0 / zero - unless and until one of the charlatans or a reality denier can prove otherwise.

"Mass grave" #9: (Haimi: ???) This alleged "huge mass grave" is just a tiny dot on the map, and is so small that apparently, it doesn't even merit a mention in the literature.
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.

* We will give this "grave" a count of - 0 / zero - unless and until one of the charlatans or a reality denier can prove otherwise.

"Mass grave" #10: (Haimi: ???) This alleged "huge mass grave" is just a tiny dot on the map, and is so small that apparently, it doesn't even merit a mention in the literature.
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists..

* We will give this "grave" a count of - 0 / zero - unless and until one of the charlatans or a reality denier can prove otherwise.

"Mass grave" #11: (Haimi: ???) This alleged "huge mass grave" is just a tiny dot on the map, and is so small that apparently, it doesn't even merit a mention in the literature.
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.

* We will give this "grave" a count of - 0 / zero - unless and until one of the charlatans or a reality denier can prove otherwise.

"Mass grave" #12: 6 skeletons
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/B6NTySCs/xdum9skl.png

"Mass grave" #13: 1 skeleton
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/prXwbdbB/Sobiborsi ... ephoto.jpg

"Mass grave" #14: 1 skeleton
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/dtKQppRD/20250913-232757.jpg

"Mass grave" 15: (Haimi: "This grave [15] is similar to grave #1... it lacks the remains of bones)
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/Xvfpv4Fr/Sobibor8and15.jpg

"Mass grave" #16: 2 skeletons
Photo:https://i.postimg.cc/GhcwkCJP/20250913-233406.jpg

"Mass grave" #17: (Haimi: "Object 5681 served as a well that eventually was used as grave No. 17.")
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" "well grave" even exists.

* We will give this "grave" a count of - 0 / zero - unless and until one of the charlatans or a reality denier can prove otherwise.

"Mass grave" #18: (Haimi: ???) Apparently, the "evidence" that this alleged "huge mass grave" actually exists is so scant, that it doesn't even merit a mention in the literature. And apparently, it is so small that it is not even shown on the maps!
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.

* We will give this "grave" a count of - 0 / zero - unless and until one of the charlatans or a reality denier can prove otherwise.

"Mass grave" #19: (Haimi: ???) Apparently, the "evidence" that this alleged "huge mass grave" actually exists is so scant, that it doesn't even merit a mention in the literature.
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.

* We will give this "grave" a count of - 0 / zero - unless and until one of the charlatans or a reality denier can prove otherwise.

"Mass grave" #20: (Haimi: ???) Apparently, the "evidence" that this alleged "huge mass grave" actually exists is so scant, that it doesn't even merit a mention in the literature.
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.

* We will give this "grave" a count of - 0 / zero - unless and until one of the charlatans or a reality denier can prove otherwise.

"Mass grave" #21: (Haimi: ???) Apparently, the "evidence" that this alleged "huge mass grave" actually exists is so scant, that it doesn't even merit a mention in the literature.
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.

* We will give this "grave" a count of - 0 / zero - unless and until one of the charlatans or a reality denier can prove otherwise.

"Mass grave" #22: (Haimi: "The area of Camp III is dominated by the ash mound")
Photo: https://infocenters.co.il/gfh/multimedi ... _1_web.jpg )

* We will give this "grave" a count of - 1 / one - unless and until a reality denier can prove otherwise.

Well there you have it folks, "scientific / archaeological / forensic PROOF" (according to "holocaust scholars") that the remains
of 250,000 jews really are buried in 22 "huge mass graves" at Sobibor. (Hopefully, seeing all that "proof" didn't traumatize you.)


NUMBER OF "SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN HUGE MASS GRAVES" INVESTIGATED: 14

NUMBER OF "SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN HUGE MASS GRAVES" THAT SEEM TO HAVE NO EVIDENCE THAT THEY EVEN EXIST: 8

NUMBER OF jEWS ACCOUNTED FOR: 11

AVERAGE NUMBER OF jEWS IN EACH "SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN HUGE MASS GRAVE": .5

NUMBER OF jEWS WHO EITHER "MAGICALLY DISAPPEARED" AT SOBIBOR OR WERE TRANSITED ELSEWHERE: 249,989


Note: The lying POS who insist that the 22 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" of Sobibor really do contain the remains
of 250,000 jews have not only been invited, but encouraged to submit photos that substantiate their fraudulent allegations.

And this is the BEST that they can do. (And they do even worse when it comes to Belzec, Chelmno and Treblinka II!) And apparently, the jews who went to Sobibor to "scientifically / archaeologically / forensically" PROVE to the world that 250,000 jews really are buried in "huge mass graves" at Sobibor, FORGOT to photograph 1/3 of the "huge mass graves" that they allegedly discovered! Now you know why the jews have had to get laws passed criminalizing any public doubts about their transparent cognitive illusions. (And why the NOVA program about their "archaeological investigation" of Sobibor had to be disappeared.)

And don't forget, there are thousands and thousands of dollars that the liars and frauds could earn - IF - the fraudulent Sobibor
holocaust story that they shamelessly peddle were true: http://thisisaboutscience.com/ (The fact that the sham "archaeologists / scientific investigators" run from these challenges is ipso facto proof of fraud.)

Now, answer this question: Do you A) believe your lying eyes that tell you that the Sobibor "archaeological investigation" was a fraudulent charade, or B) believe all that "undeniable" archaeological / forensic "proof" that "scientifically proves" the "undeniable truth" that the remains of 250,000 jews really do lie in 22 "huge mass graves" at Sobibor?

Warning: If you didn't see the remains of 250,000 jews in 22 "huge mass graves" and answered - A, then you are now officially (according to the jews), a "holocaust denier"! (Remember, any doubt at all of the official narrative is defined as "denial.") And if you answered - B, then you need to learn the definitions of the following: gasslighting, cognitive illusion and the big-lie technique.

Per request

[Keen]

The noose is tightening.

Map with "huge mass grave" #18 shown.



Photo showing Sobibors "huge mass grave" #18



Description: " a large pit containing many objects mixed with a large number of splinters of bones

Photo of Sobibors "huge mass grave" #20



Description: Sunk to a depth of ca. 1 meter, whitened human bones that had undergone burning were discovered mixed with gray soil.

* * * * *

Sobibor "huge mass grave" #19 - no photo. Descripton: Measured 25 cm. in diameter and contained human bones. (No depth given.)

They are calling a hole 25 centemeter in diameter a "grave"!

* * * * *

Note: East of grave 18, two "huge mass graves" labeled Objects 6094 & 6095 (marked in orange in the map), allegedly contained human bones. No photo.

If these frauds are calling #19 a grave, then these two "objects" must be called graves as well.

[url]file:///C:/Users/14062/Downloads/Autumn_2015-Y.-Haimi.pdf[/url]

[Keen]

While the team is delusional with 'holocaust affirmation disorder', it is my opinion they are not consciously misrepresenting their findings.

You call labeling a hole 25 centemeters in diamiter a "grave" "not consciously misrepresenting their findings"?

Oh please. Isn't it about time that you took off your holohoax goggles Stubble?

I find it curious that I am left defending a group of exterminationists. I can assure you I do not do this for love of them or because I particularly like them. I am simply defending the truth so far as I know it in this particular instance.

Bullshit. All you are doing is TRYING to defend your BELIEF. A belief based on absurd unsubstantiated allegations.

And the holocaust light crowd has been defending exterminationists forever.

Truth:

that which is in accordance with fact or reality:

a verified or indisputable fact.

If you're "defending the truth so far as you know it" then why wont you tell us what that "reality / verified indisputable fact" is?

Based on all of the evidence that I have seen, there is reasonable suspicion (the lowest standard of proof in the U.S.) for me to believe that Sobibor's 24 "huge mass graves" currently contain the remains of no less than _?_ jews.

I have come to this belief based on a reasonable suspicion derived from all the evidence that I have seen that the number of jews that currently lie in each of the following alleged "huge mass graves" is:

1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
11
12
13
14
15
16
17
18
19
20
21
22 (the "ash mound")
23 ("object" 6094)
24 ("object" 6095)
TOTAL

By examining each “archaeologically / forensically / scientifically proven mass grave” allegation separately, an intelligent person can easily see just how utterly vacuous and criminally fraudulent this transparent archaeological hoax really is.

[Keen]

The noose is tightening.

By examining each “scientifically proven mass grave” allegation separately, an intelligent person can easily
see just how utterly vacuous and criminally fraudulent this transparent archaeological hoax really is.

I feel like I am an investigator in a criminal forensic laboratory.
After all, it is a murder scene. The Germans didn’t want anyone to find
out what was there. But thanks to what we have done, they didn’t succeed.

Yoram Haimi, "CSI archaeologist" while pretending to have "scientifically proven" the alleged murder of 250,000 jews at Sobibor.

Well, the physical evidence at this "murder scene" must be massive and irrefutable then, don't you think?

Let's take a look at the physical evidence that these "CSI archaeologists" uncovered in this "criminal forensic laboratory"
that allegedly "proves" that the remains of 250,000 jews really are buried in 24 "huge mass graves" at Sobibor.

First, here are the maps that show all 24 of the fraudulently alleged "archaeologically / forensically / scientifically proven huge mass graves" of Sobibor:

Map one: https://postimg.cc/8sL2bvXB

Map two: https://i.postimg.cc/HjGB8gJ7/Sobibormapwith18.jpg

Map three: https://postimg.cc/gxpV26B7

FYI - The Kola map: https://i.postimg.cc/cCXSGNcr/Originalkolamap.jpg and a Kola quote from a Reuters article:

We uncovered... charred human remains and under them remains in a state of decay.

NOTE: The average number of jews "charred" and "in a state of decay" that should be buried in each of the 24 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" - IF - the Sobibor holocaust story is true, is: 10,417

"Grave" #1
Photo: https://static-cdn.toi-media.com/www/up ... 24x640.jpg
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

"Grave" #2
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/XNkqPtNv/Sobibor2.jpg
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

"Grave" #3
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/L4Y33QcN/Sobibor3of3and4.jpg
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

"Grave" #4
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/tgvFhFDK/Sobibor4of3and4.jpg
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

"Grave" #5
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/L82PykQq/Sobiborgrave5.jpg
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

"Grave" #6
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/R0DrHbtw/Sobibor6.jpg
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

"Grave" #7
Photo: https://postimg.cc/XZB0LZmf
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

"Grave" #8
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/Xvfpv4Fr/Sobibor8and15.jpg
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

"Grave" #9
Roberto Muehlenkamp: "Three (nos. 9, 10 and 11) are very small and therefore shouldn't be called "huge mass graves" but merely "graves.""
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

"Grave" #10
Roberto Muehlenkamp: "Three (nos. 9, 10 and 11) are very small and therefore shouldn't be called "huge mass graves" but merely "graves.""
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists..
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

"Grave" #11
Roberto Muehlenkamp: "Three (nos. 9, 10 and 11) are very small and therefore shouldn't be called "huge mass graves" but merely "graves.""
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

Mass Grave #12
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/B6NTySCs/xdum9skl.png
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 6

Grave #13
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/prXwbdbB/Sobiborsi ... ephoto.jpg
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 1

Grave #14
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/dtKQppRD/20250913-232757.jpg
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 1

"Grave" 15
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/Xvfpv4Fr/Sobibor8and15.jpg
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

Mass grave #16
Photo:https://i.postimg.cc/GhcwkCJP/20250913-233406.jpg
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 2

"Grave" #17 (The alleged "well grave")
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

"Grave" #18
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/Hn3bd1w1/photo-Sobibor18.jpg
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

"Grave" #19
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

"Grave" #20
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/wvx9mKKv/Photo-Sobiborgrave20.jpg
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

"Grave" #21
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

"Grave" #22 (The "Mound of Ashes" / "Memory Hill")
(FYI - Lukasz Mieszkowski, the designer of Sobibor's memorial, has admitted that the "burial mound" is "MADE OF SOIL NOT CONTAINING ASHES.")
Old photo (Of what was once called the "Ash Mound"): https://infocenters.co.il/gfh/multimedi ... _1_web.jpg
New Photo (Of what is now called "Memory Hill"): https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.QH5E9Pf89 ... d=1.7&rm=3
The difference? The removal of this: https://infocenters.co.il/gfh/multimedi ... _1_web.jpg
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

"Grave" #23 / "Object" 6094 (Marked in orange in map two above.)
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

"Grave" #24 / "Object" 6095 (Marked in orange in map two above.)
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* The amount of human remains that the "CSI forensic archaeologists" actually proved exist in this "huge mass grave" - 0

Well there you have it folks, "archaeological / forensic / scientific PROOF" (according to "holocaust scholars") that the remains
of 250,000 jews really are buried in 24 "huge mass graves" at Sobibor. (Hopefully, seeing all that "proof" didn't traumatize you.)


NUMBER OF "SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN HUGE MASS GRAVES" VIEWED: 16

TOTAL NUMBER OF jEWS ACCOUNTED FOR IN THOSE 16 "HUGE MASS GRAVES": 10

NUMBER OF "SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN HUGE MASS GRAVE" PHOTOS WE ARE STILL LOOKING FOR: 8

NUMBER OF jEWS WHO EITHER "MAGICALLY DISAPPEARED" AT SOBIBOR OR WERE TRANSITED ELSEWHERE: 249,990


Note: The lying POS who insist that the 24 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" of Sobibor really do contain the remains
of 250,000 jews have not only been invited, but encouraged to submit photos that substantiate their fraudulent allegations.

And this is the BEST that they can do. (And they do even worse when it comes to Belzec, Chelmno and Treblinka II!) And apparently, the jews who went to Sobibor to "archaeologically / forensically / scientifically" PROVE to the world that 250,000 jews really are buried in "huge mass graves" at Sobibor, FORGOT to photograph 1/3 of the "huge mass graves" that they allegedly discovered! Now you know why the jews have had to get laws passed criminalizing any public doubts about their transparent cognitive illusions. (And why the NOVA program about their "archaeological investigation" of Sobibor had to be canceled and disappeared, and why they refuse to publish the ground penetrating radar and all the other geophysical data they collected.)

And don't forget, there are thousands and thousands of dollars that the liars and frauds could earn - IF - the fraudulent Sobibor
holocaust story that they shamelessly peddle were true: http://thisisaboutscience.com/ (The fact that the sham "archaeologists / scientific investigators" run from these challenges is ipso facto proof of fraud.)

Now, answer this question: Do you A) believe your lying eyes that tell you that the Sobibor "archaeological investigation" was a fraudulent charade, or B) believe all that "undeniable" archaeological / forensic "proof" that "scientifically proves" the "undeniable truth" that the remains of 250,000 jews really do lie in 24 "huge mass graves" at Sobibor?

Warning: If you didn't see the remains of 250,000 jews in 24 "huge mass graves" and answered - A, then you are now officially (according to the jews), a "holocaust denier"! (Remember, any doubt at all of the official narrative is defined as "denial.") And if you answered - B, then you need to learn the definitions of the following: gasslighting, cognitive illusion and the big-lie technique.

[Keen]

I find it curious that I am left defending a group of exterminationists. I can assure you I do not do this for love of them or because I particularly like them. I am simply defending the truth so far as I know it in this particular instance.a

Most "revisionists" are not much different that exterminations. They could more accurately be called "exterminationist lights." The difference is in degree, not kind.

Stubble:

Fraud? Na, I'd say 'misdirection' would be a better description. They did publish their data and the corresponding images.

Had they falsified or withheld data, I'd say fraud would apply.

Well, before we can determine what might be being withleld, we need to see what is actually available.

GILEAD ET AL: EXCAVATING NAZI EXTERMINATION CENTRES

5. The geophysical evidence obtained in 2008

A one-week season in July 2008 was devoted to acquiring geophysical data. The work was carried out under our guidance by Paul Bauman and Brad Hansen of Worley Parsons Re-sources and Energy (Calgary), and Phillip Reeder of the University of South Florida. The geophysical team was organized and coordinated by Richard Freund of the University of Hartford.

The following methods were used to acquire the data: EM61 High Resolution Metal Detection, GEM19 Overhauser GPS Magnetic Gradiometer, EM38 Terrain Conductiv-ity Meter, Ground Penetrating Radar, Low Altitude High Resolution Aerial Photography, and GPS Mapping (Bauman, 2008).

The geophysical work was carried out in two areas of the site: in the open eld south of the ash mound monument, where the mass graves are, and in eight 20x20m squares placed im-mediately south and east of the area excavated by us in 2007. In addition, low altitude aerial photography was carried out over the major part of the original perimeter of the site. GPS data were collected at various locations in the site and in the Sobibór train station and ramp. The results are being evaluated now and we can already discern the archaeological potential of different locales (Bauman, 2008). The low altitude photography from a weather balloon of the open eld immediately to the south of the ash mound is illuminating (Fig. 16). It ap-pears to have delineated areas of mass graves in the open eld, as dened by deeper green hues in the vegetation. This supports the conclusion of the 2001 coring activities carried out by Kola’s expedition (Fig. 17).

It is possible that this conclusion will be further corroborated by the processing of several GPR probes conducted across these tentatively identified mass graves. The aerial photographs also appear to distinguish areas of Sobibór from surround-ing forest by the subtle but clear change in tree canopy height and homogeneity (Bauman, 2008)

Stubble, is the geophysical data described above available, or is it being withheld?

(I'm particularly excited to see you show us the GPR results that you say have been published. For some strange reason, I just can't find it. But I'm sure you will be able to show it to us, since it's been published and all.)

[Stubble]

The GPR is from the Colls thesis, and you have it.

It does not apply to Sobibor, but rather to Treblinka.

I'm unaware of any published GPR/LIDAR data from Sobibor, and matter of fact, this post is the first time I've read about it.

Most of the equipment described was used for general survey and mapping, however the GPR/LIDAR data would be useful in determining the size and density of ground disturbances.

For this to be withheld does not scream transparency. On the contrary it is an indicator of 'fraud'.

Using Hanlon's Razor, I've tried to be as forgiving as possible to the orthodoxy and in particular to the teams that have conducted digs at the Sobibor site.

I will have to follow up on your post and look into the details here, but, it appears I may have just run out of charity to offer them.

When I contested your use of the term fraud, I may well have been in error.

[Keen]

I'm unaware of any published GPR/LIDAR data from Sobibor, and matter of fact, this post is the first time I've read about it.

I will have to follow up on your post and look into the details here, but, it appears I may have just run out of charity to offer them.

There is some information in the:

Preliminary Report of Archaeological Excavations
in the Sobibór Extermination Center
November 26, 2012 – December 3, 2012


And Muehlenkamp talks about the GPR here:

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2008/10/

And posts a quote copied from a Greg Gerdes post quoting a Reuters article:

Meuhlenkamp:

Gerdes:

WARSAW (Reuters)

Quote:

"Polish archaeologists excavating the Nazi death camp in Sobibor said on Friday they had found mass graves at the site. The excavations were the first since World War Two at the former camp, which was subsequently forested over. They could provide valuable new evidence on the number of victims, mainly Jews, who died in the Sobibor gas chambers. According to official Polish accounts, 250,000 people were killed in Sobibor. ''We uncovered seven mass graves with an average depth of five meters. In them there were charred human remains and under them remains in a state of decay. That means that in the final stage the victims were burned,'' archaeologist Andrzej Kola was quoted by the Polish PAP news agency telling a news conference. He said the largest grave measured 70 meters by 25 meters, the others 20 by 25 meters.

So why didn't the GPR pick up any of these alleged "huge mass graves?" Or any of Kola's alleged "excavations?"

Well, the GPR picked up at least the trench mentioned by Paul Bauman, see above.

Let me repeat what Kola is quoted as saying:

We uncovered seven mass graves with an average depth of five meters.

In them there were charred human remains and under them remains in a state of decay.

Stubble, would you call that statement deceptive?

Have you ever seen any evidence that the 7 "huge mass graves" that Kola is talking about actually contain "human remains in a state of decay"?

Have you ever seen any evidence that they don't?

And just a reminder of something that Roberta posted herself on the HC site:

RM (via the VNN forum):

"As I learned from Yoram Haimi of the Sobibor Archaeological Project, the reason why Prof. Kola has not yet published a detailed and illustrated report about his 2001 findings is that he wasn’t paid by the Polish government entity that commissioned his work in 2001. So Prof. Kola is sitting on his findings, so to say, until this problem is solved."

... the current archaeological investigators don't have any core samples from Prof. Kola’s archaeological investigation at their disposal, or even information as to the exact spots in the area where these samples were collected.

Would you call Kola's withholding of his "data" fraud?

[Stubble]

I stand corrected Sir.

The term fraud applies wholly.

Thank you for clearly articulating why it applies and hopefully this exchange will be useful to future readers as that is the only solace I can take with regard to hoping I have not wasted your time.

Thank you Keen.

[Keen]

Statements of fact:

It is an irrefutable fact that the so-called "jewish holocaust of WW II" DID NOT HAPPEN as originally alleged.

There is NO clear, credible or convincing evidence that the remains of any more than 6 people have EVER been proven to exist / existed in any of Sobibors 24 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves." NONE.

Sobibors "Ash Mound" has never been proven to contain an iota of human remains.

Sobibor memorial designer / "artist-historian" Lukasz Mieszkowski admitted that Sobibors "burial mound" is "MADE OF SOIL NOT CONTAINING ASHES."

The construction of the so-called "ash mound" and the so-called "archaeological / forensic / geophysical / scientific investigations" of Sobibor were psyops - big-lies / fraudulent charades designed to create cognitive illusions.

The fact that the so-called "forensic investigators" of Sobibor continue to conceal the data from their sham "scientific investigations" - is ipso facto proof of fraud.

If the physical evidence for a claim that - HAS TO EXIST - in order for the claim to be true - DOES NOT EXIST - then that claim is obviously false.

THERE WAS NO SOBIBOR hOLOCAUST.

By examining each “scientifically proven huge mass grave” allegation separately, an intelligent person can
easily see just how utterly vacuous and criminally fraudulent this transparent archaeological hoax really is.

I feel like I am an investigator in a criminal forensic laboratory.
After all, it is a murder scene. The Germans didn’t want anyone to find
out what was there. But thanks to what we have done, they didn’t succeed.

Yoram Haimi, "CSI archaeologist" while pretending to have "scientifically proven" the alleged murder and burial of 250,000 jews
in "huge mass graves" within the boundary of the Sobibo camp.

Well, the physical evidence at this "murder scene" must be massive and irrefutable then, don't you think?

Let's take a look at the physical evidence that these "CSI archaeologists" uncovered in this "criminal forensic laboratory" that allegedly "scientifically proves" that the remains of 250,000 jews are buried in 24 "huge mass graves" at Sobibor.

First, here are the maps that show all 24 of the fraudulently alleged "archaeologically / forensically / scientifically proven huge mass graves" of Sobibor:

Map one: https://postimg.cc/8sL2bvXB

Map two: https://i.postimg.cc/wM2cKdFC/Sobiborma ... -23-24.jpg[/url]

Map three: https://postimg.cc/gxpV26B7

FYI - The Kola map: https://i.postimg.cc/cCXSGNcr/Originalkolamap.jpg and a Kola quote from a Reuters article:

We uncovered... charred human remains and under them remains in a state of decay.

Before you look at all the "scientific evidence" that allegedly "proves the Sobibor holocaust" - answer these simple questions:

Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that archaeologists
discovered at least an iota of human remains in no less than _?_ of Sobibor's
24 "huge mass graves."

Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that - IN TOTAL -
archaeologists discovered no less than _?_ teeth in Sobibor's 24 "huge mass graves."

Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that - IN TOTAL - the remains
of no less than _?_ jews really were buried in Sobibor's 24 "huge mass graves."

NOTE: The average number of jews / jewish remains ("charred" and "in a state of decay" or otherwise) that should be
buried in each of the 24 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" - IF - the Sobibor holocaust story is true, is: 10,417.
(That equates to a minimum of over 76,000 pounds / 38 tons of remains, including over 333,000 teeth - in each.)

Now look at all the so-called "irrefutable scientific proof" while you answer simple questions that will check your math:

"Grave" #1
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/c4D5S5WQ/Sobiborgraveone.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #2
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/XNkqPtNv/Sobibor2.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #3
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/L4Y33QcN/Sobibor3of3and4.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #4
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/tgvFhFDK/Sobibor4of3and4.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #5
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/L82PykQq/Sobiborgrave5.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #6
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/R0DrHbtw/Sobibor6.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #7
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/nc1KLWNk/Sobibor7-(1).jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #8
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/Xvfpv4Fr/Sobibor8and15.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #9
Roberto Muehlenkamp: "Three (nos. 9, 10 and 11) are very small and therefore shouldn't be called "huge mass graves" but merely "graves.""
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #10
Roberto Muehlenkamp: "Three (nos. 9, 10 and 11) are very small and therefore shouldn't be called "huge mass graves" but merely "graves.""
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists..
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #11
Roberto Muehlenkamp: "Three (nos. 9, 10 and 11) are very small and therefore shouldn't be called "huge mass graves" but merely "graves.""
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

Mass Grave #12
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/B6NTySCs/xdum9skl.png
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

Grave #13
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/prXwbdbB/Sobiborsi ... ephoto.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

Grave #14
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/dtKQppRD/20250913-232757.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" 15
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/V6Dkg8yP/Sobiborgrave15.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

Mass grave #16
Photo:https://i.postimg.cc/GhcwkCJP/20250913-233406.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #17 (The alleged "well grave")
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #18
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/Hn3bd1w1/photo-Sobibor18.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #19
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #20
Photo: https://i.postimg.cc/wvx9mKKv/Photo-Sobiborgrave20.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #21
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #22 (The "Mound of Ashes" / "Memory Hill")
(FYI - Lukasz Mieszkowski, the designer of Sobibor's memorial, has admitted that the "burial mound" is "MADE OF SOIL NOT CONTAINING ASHES.")
Old photo (Of what was once called the "Ash Mound"): https://infocenters.co.il/gfh/multimedi ... _1_web.jpg
New Photo (Of what is now called "Memory Hill"): https://th.bing.com/th/id/OIP.QH5E9Pf89 ... d=1.7&rm=3
The difference? The removal of this: https://infocenters.co.il/gfh/multimedi ... _1_web.jpg
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #23 / "Object" 6094 (Marked in orange in map two above.)
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

"Grave" #24 / "Object" 6095 (Marked in orange in map two above.)
Photo: The reality deniers can't even produce a photo that proves that this alleged "scientifically proven" mass grave even exists.
* Based on all of the evidence that I know exists, I believe that, at maximum, the remains of at least _?_ jews were actually located in this "huge mass grave."

TOTAL: _?_ (Your total did come to 250,000 or more - right? )

Now check your total with the answer that you gave above.

Well there you have it folks, "archaeological / forensic / scientific PROOF" (according to "holocaust scholars") that the remains
of 250,000 jews really are buried in 24 "huge mass graves" at Sobibor. (Hopefully, seeing all that "proof" didn't traumatize you.)


NUMBER OF "SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN HUGE MASS GRAVES" VIEWED: 16

TOTAL NUMBER OF jEWS ACCOUNTED FOR IN THOSE 16 "HUGE MASS GRAVES": 10

NUMBER OF "SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN HUGE MASS GRAVE" PHOTOS WE ARE STILL LOOKING FOR: 8

NUMBER OF jEWS WHO EITHER "MAGICALLY DISAPPEARED" AT SOBIBOR OR WERE TRANSITED ELSEWHERE: 249,990


Note: The lying POS who insist that the 24 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" of Sobibor really do contain the remains
of 250,000 jews have not only been invited, but encouraged to submit photos that substantiate their fraudulent allegations.

And this is the BEST that they can do. (And they do even worse when it comes to Belzec, Chelmno and Treblinka II!) And apparently, the jews who went to Sobibor to "archaeologically / forensically / scientifically" PROVE to the world that 250,000 jews really are buried in "huge mass graves" at Sobibor, FORGOT to photograph 1/3 of the "huge mass graves" that they allegedly discovered! Now you know why the jews have had to get laws passed criminalizing any public doubts about their transparent cognitive illusions. (And why the NOVA program about their "archaeological investigation" of Sobibor had to be canceled and disappeared, and why they refuse to publish the ground penetrating radar and all the other geophysical data they collected.)

And don't forget, there are thousands and thousands of dollars that the liars and frauds could earn - IF - the fraudulent Sobibor
holocaust story that they shamelessly peddle were true: http://thisisaboutscience.com/ (The fact that the sham "archaeologists / scientific investigators" run from these challenges is ipso facto proof of fraud.)

Now, answer this question: Do you A) believe your lying eyes that tell you that the Sobibor "archaeological investigation" was a fraudulent charade, or B) believe all that "undeniable" archaeological / forensic "proof" that "scientifically proves" the "undeniable truth" that the remains of 250,000 jews (over 912 tons worth) really were buried in 24 "huge mass graves" at Sobibor?

Warning: If you didn't see the remains of 250,000 jews in 24 "huge mass graves" and answered - A, then you are now officially (according to the jews), a "holocaust denier"! (Remember, any doubt at all of the official narrative is defined as "denial.") And if you answered - B, then you need to learn the definitions of the following: charade, cognitive illusion and the big-lie technique.

[Keen]

I stand corrected Sir.

The term fraud applies wholly.

Thank you for clearly articulating why it applies and hopefully this exchange will be useful to future readers as that is the only solace I can take with regard to hoping I have not wasted your time.

Thank you Keen.

Sorry for the delay in getting back to you Stubble. I was away for a few days and since returning, I have been busy bitch-slapping Callifangers. (He's the gift that just keeps on giving.)

You are welcome Stubble. And no, I do not think that you wasted my time.

I much appreciate being challenged. It is I who thanks you.