Did Germany use gas chambers for legal executions?

[Hektor]

I'm surprised that this question doesn't seem to have come up yet. But did Germany ever use gas chambers for legal executions? Or is that only alleged for "Holocaust"-related killings and perhaps K4?

[Archie]

I don't think so.

Gas chambers were used for executions in the US starting in the 1920s. The Last Gasp by Scott Christianson is the standard source on this for the details. But I don't think there was anything like this in Germany.

[Wetzelrad]

Cameron Munro says:

It's also interesting to note no European country apart from one adopts poison gas as the method of capital punishment. That one country is Lithuania who adopted it in the 1930s. No other country adopts it. In fact the Europeans react with shock and horror at the barbarity of the Americans using poison gas for capital punishment. Why? The most likely answer is chemical weapons during used during this first world war which came as a great shock to the world that they're being used and the barbaric effect on people. So obviously the Americans were slightly less exposed to that than the British, the French, the Germans. When the Britain France and Germany the Americans were seen as barbaric for using poison gas.

https://youtu.be/EW-Lk0GNwc8?t=3844

I'm content to take his word for it. The extreme rarity of this method of execution in world history and especially around Germany makes it less plausible for the Holocaust.

Prior to the war, Germany carried out capital punishment by firing squad, beheading by ax, beheading by guillotine, and possibly hanging. The idea that Germans opposed gassing because of WWI makes sense. The idea that Germans implemented gassing to be more humane than other methods does not.

[Hektor]

I don't think so.

Gas chambers were used for executions in the US starting in the 1920s. The Last Gasp by Scott Christianson is the standard source on this for the details. But I don't think there was anything like this in Germany.

I tried Chatgpt with this... and at first it alleged it, but when I asked for one real life example it admitted there were none. Executions were done by beheading, hanging, firing squad it seems.

So homicidal gassings in concentration camps lack a precedent for Germany. There was however the association made in Allied countries between Germany and gas warfare. As Zyklon B was indeed used in concentration camps, this made it ideal for a claimed murder weapon. And fortunately for the Holocaust industry most folks are ignorant what the practical purpose of Zyklon B actually was. They are also ignorant that this was actually more difficult to produce and handle than other lethal gasses.

[Eye of Zyclone]

Executions were done by beheading, hanging, firing squad it seems.

So homicidal gassings in concentration camps lack a precedent for Germany.

That's why they finally embraced and supported a fictional precedent of homicidal gassings in German asylums, isn't it?

About a year before starting the story of Jews mass murdered in German gas chambers, a young American Communist working for the U.S. State Department claimed in the magazine owned by his family that the Nazis (the worst enemies of his beloved Soviet Union) had killed thousands of blind, aged and incurably ill people in gas chambers "because they could no longer make guns in return for food consumed."

[Stubble]

Did 'Straight' ever cite any source? Or is this just supposed to be a 'lucky guess' by a Soviet propagandist?

I'm sure this first recorded reporting on the alleged t4 gassings is completely omitted by the 'Official Historiography'...

[Hektor]

Executions were done by beheading, hanging, firing squad it seems.

So homicidal gassings in concentration camps lack a precedent for Germany.

That's why they made up a fictional precedent of homicidal gassings in German asylums, isn't it?
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Euthanasia (A rather progressive, humanitarian project) was legalized for a while in Germany. And I heard various methods, gassing is occasional mentioned, but injection seems to be more plausible. The Allied propaganda had a field day with this of course. Even Thomas Mann had it in his propaganda broad casts...I do however expect the figures to be highly inflated. That was especially easy after WW2, simply assume a cover up and then alleged that all those sick people dying during WW2 were 'euthanized'.

[Stubble]

Hackenholt heard a rumor there was a homicidal gassing where he worked once...

Even the people who supposedly worked in t4, and the ones who went on to 'reinvent the wheel' along the Bug river had no clue about gassing in the euthanasia program...

I personally find most of the stuff published about t4 to be dubious, especially the bit about homicidal gassings.

Deaths under the operation would have been coded, as a code existed, and there would be record of approval for each instance by the death panel.

We are told instead the German Authorities dodged this and just labeled the deaths natural causes...

Why?

It's just so silly...

The allies need inflated numbers and this dodging of official protocols in order to set the foundation for the Holy H.

[Eye of Zyclone]

Did 'Straight' ever cite any source? Or is this just supposed to be a 'lucky guess' by a Soviet propagandist?

I'm sure this first recorded reporting on the alleged t4 gassings is completely omitted by the 'Official Historiography'...

The newspapers above reported that "Mr. Straight says the information came from a prelate of the Roman Catholic Church, who received it from Catholic priests and bishops in Germany." But those newspapers didn't explain if that 'information' was euthanasia itself, or homicidal gassings, or both things. As fuzzy and unreliable as possible if I'm asked...

[Stubble]

Did 'Straight' ever cite any source? Or is this just supposed to be a 'lucky guess' by a Soviet propagandist?

I'm sure this first recorded reporting on the alleged t4 gassings is completely omitted by the 'Official Historiography'...

The newspapers above reported that "Mr. Straight says the information came from a prelate of the Roman Catholic Church, who received it from Catholic priests and bishops in Germany." But those newspapers didn't explain if that 'information' was euthanasia itself, or homicidal gassings, or both things. As fuzzy and unreliable as possible if I'm asked...

Yea, I meant specifically for the gassings.

The Catholic Church to my knowledge has absolutely nothing in their vault about 'homicidal gassing' in Aktion T4.

[Eye of Zyclone]

Executions were done by beheading, hanging, firing squad it seems.

So homicidal gassings in concentration camps lack a precedent for Germany.

That's why they made up a fictional precedent of homicidal gassings in German asylums, isn't it?
....

Euthanasia (A rather progressive, humanitarian project) was legalized for a while in Germany. And I heard various methods, gassing is occasional mentioned, but injection seems to be more plausible. The Allied propaganda had a field day with this of course. Even Thomas Mann had it in his propaganda broad casts...I do however expect the figures to be highly inflated. That was especially easy after WW2, simply assume a cover up and then alleged that all those sick people dying during WW2 were 'euthanized'.

Yes, injection seems to be more plausible. Can you imagine the scene of a group of severely handicapped people (together with blind people and old people, according to Straight's "report") being marched to a gas chamber disguised as a shower room for deceitful purposes? What a huge unnecessary & ridiculous complication when they could just have been put to death in their beds by lethal injection.

That being said, the Jews of that time immediately noticed Straight's story. And 2 weeks later, they even spiced it up and added lethal injection to Straight's horror tale (see the paper below).

[Eye of Zyclone]

Did 'Straight' ever cite any source? Or is this just supposed to be a 'lucky guess' by a Soviet propagandist?

I'm sure this first recorded reporting on the alleged t4 gassings is completely omitted by the 'Official Historiography'...

The newspapers above reported that "Mr. Straight says the information came from a prelate of the Roman Catholic Church, who received it from Catholic priests and bishops in Germany." But those newspapers didn't explain if that 'information' was euthanasia itself, or homicidal gassings, or both things. As fuzzy and unreliable as possible if I'm asked...

Yea, I meant specifically for the gassings.

The Catholic Church to my knowledge has absolutely nothing in their vault about 'homicidal gassing' in Aktion T4.

But the Catholic Church has great horror stories about homicidal gassing in the Dachau 'gas chamber' "never used as a gas chamber."

[Stubble]

That's threadworthy

[Eye of Zyclone]

That's threadworthy

Yes, it is. And it's also a good refutation of the pseudo argument that Holocaust revisionism is merely a form of disguised antisemitism because a number of non-Jews lied about Nazi homicidal gas chambers and the likes too.

[Hektor]

That's threadworthy

Yes, it is. And it's also a good refutation of the pseudo argument that Holocaust revisionism is merely a form of disguised antisemitism because a number of non-Jews lied about Nazi homicidal gas chambers and the likes too.

Now what defines Anti-semitism...? Is it enough to notice patterns with Jewish organizations or must I get foam from the mouth, if I see someone with a kippah?


For the question whether the Holocaust key assertion (Millions of Jews killed in gas chambers as part of a common plan to exterminate all Jews by NS-Germany and other Axis governments) it's actually pretty irrelevant how somebody feels about Jews or not.