"56 Olympic Swimming Pools" and Treblinka (Nessie's logic)

[Nessie]

OK:

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=18047#p18047

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=14176#p14176

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=18036#p18036

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=18049#p18049

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=18107#p18107

All have been answered.

Still waiting for the list Roberto:

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=18047#p18047

You referred to me as Roberto, so no.

[Keen]

All have been answered.

Still waiting for the list Roberto:

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=18047#p18047

You referred to me as Roberto, so no.

So you are implying that there is a list when you said earlier that there was no list.

What is your personal record for the number of lies that you've told in one day Roberta?

[Nessie]

Still waiting for the list Roberto:

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=18047#p18047

You referred to me as Roberto, so no.

So you are implying that there is a list when you said earlier that there was no list.

What is your personal record for the number of lies that you've told in one day Roberta?

I am going to set you a standard, which you may have noticed, is already happening. You get an answer when you address me as Nessie, use the male pronoun, and there is no abuse or claims about running away etc. Just simple questions, nothing else. Everything else is proof that you are in fact fearful of debating me.

[Keen]

you are in fact fearful of debating me.

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=14176#p14176



BTW, I'm still waiting for the list Roberto:

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=18047#p18047

[Keen]

I am going to set you a standard

You? Roberto Muehlenkamp? Set a "standard"?



You wouldn't know what a standard was if it bit you in the ass.

You are the biggest lying cowardly POS on the planet.

You are so utterly devoid of courage, integrity and character I'm suprised that that word is even in your limited vocabulary.

How many lies have you told and how many good people have you slandered while hiding behind your anonymous "Nessie" handle over the years you sniveling coward?

[Nessie]

I am going to set you a standard

You? Roberto Muehlenkamp? Set a "standard"?



You wouldn't know what a standard was if it bit you in the ass.

You are the biggest lying cowardly POS on the planet.

You are so utterly devoid of courage, integrity and character I'm suprised that that word is even in your limited vocabulary.

How many lies have you told and how many good people have you slandered while hiding behind your anonymous "Nessie" handle over the years you sniveling coward?

I have said to you and today I have been answering you, when you address me as Nessie, you use the male pronoun and you do not abuse in any shape or form. It is clear, that as I answer questions, and give you explanations, that yes and no cannot provide, you cannot cope, so you resort to abuse again, so that you know I will not answer you.

[Keen]

I am going to set you a standard

You? Roberto Muehlenkamp? Set a "standard"?



You wouldn't know what a standard was if it bit you in the ass.

You are the biggest lying cowardly POS on the planet.

You are so utterly devoid of courage, integrity and character I'm suprised that that word is even in your limited vocabulary.

How many lies have you told and how many good people have you slandered while hiding behind your anonymous "Nessie" handle over the years you sniveling coward?

I have said to you and today I have been answering you, when you address me as Nessie, you use the male pronoun and you do not abuse in any shape or form. It is clear, that as I answer questions, and give you explanations, that yes and no cannot provide, you cannot cope, so you resort to abuse again, so that you know I will not answer you.

Roberta, over the years, how many lies do you think you have told and how many good people do you think you have slandered while cravenly hiding behind your anonymous "Nessie" handle?

[Keen]

You get an answer when you address me as Nessie, use the male pronoun, and there is no abuse or claims about running away etc. Just simple questions, nothing else.

Did you notice how the phycopath was panicking and trying to bargain with me to keep me from exposing his identity?

[Nessie]

You get an answer when you address me as Nessie, use the male pronoun, and there is no abuse or claims about running away etc. Just simple questions, nothing else.

Did you notice how the phycopath was panicking and trying to bargain with me to keep me from exposing his identity?

I am not Roberto and because of your refusal to debate politely and as you see pretty much everyone else here managing, I will not debate you. That is because when I start to answer you, you clearly do not follow the answers. You likely do not realise you ask questions within questions, that cannot be answered with a simple yes or no, true or false answer.

[Keen]

You get an answer when you address me as Nessie, use the male pronoun, and there is no abuse or claims about running away etc. Just simple questions, nothing else.

Did you notice how the phycopath was panicking and trying to bargain with me to keep me from exposing his identity?

I am not Roberto and because of your refusal to debate politely and as you see pretty much everyone else here managing, I will not debate you. That is because when I start to answer you, you clearly do not follow the answers. You likely do not realise you ask questions within questions, that cannot be answered with a simple yes or no, true or false answer.

Oh, so you're Roberta at the moemnt huh? And I didn't call you Roberto in the post you are quoting, I called you a phycopath, which you clearly are. Oooops again Roberto!

I will not debate you.

Everyone knows that Roberto, it's old news:

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=14176#p14176

You likely do not realise you ask questions within questions, that cannot be answered with a simple yes or no, true or false answer.

Says the lying coward who is afraid to answer these simple questions:

Is it - True. - or - False. - that; CSC scientifically proved that 11 "huge mass graves" actually exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - ??

Did CSC scientifically prove that 11 "huge mass graves" actually exist within the boundary of the Treblinka II camp - Yes. - or - No. - ??

And what about these non true/false yes/no questions that you are running from Nessie:

Roberto,

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least an iota of human remains: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least one single, disconnected human tooth: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least one pound of cremated human remains: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 2 human beings: _?_.

List all of the Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 22 human beings: _?_.

[pilgrimofdark]

KUDLIK, WIERNIK, TRAUTSOLT MAP

KUDLIK, LAKS, PLATKIEWICZ MAP

And one other found in 'TORC' by Mattogno

http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/maps.html

I want to reevaluate this map from Obóz straceń w Treblince.

Spoiler

"5. Places of burial and burning of corpses."

It has a different map key than the map included in Obóz zagłady Treblinka.

Spoiler

"10. Places where corpses are burned."

There's no context for the first map, since Obóz straceń w Treblince doesn't seem to be online. I think it's just the same Polish investigation report as Obóz zagłady Treblinka, which is online.

(We'll ignore that the compass on both maps is incorrect.)

The 25m x 7.5m bomb crater was in the expected area of the gas chambers:

A series of test excavations was performed at the place where the [gas] chambers had to have been located, in order to find their foundation walls if possible.
...
The largest of the craters produced by explosions (numerous fragments attest to the fact that these explosions were set off by bombs), which is at maximum 6 meters deep and has a diameter of about 25 meters.

- Mattogno, Treblinka, pp 85-86.

If there were stinking, decomposing intestines, they were just as likely to be Polish treasure hunters indelicate with their use of explosives as Jews buried 3-4 years previously.

The 2-hectare area is not discussed in the context of the bomb craters:

In the northeastern part of the site, covering an area of approximately 2 hectares, there are masses of ashes mixed with sand. Numerous human bones, often with remnants of decomposed tissue, are found in the ashes and sand. During an examination conducted with the participation of a medical expert, it was determined that the ashes were undoubtedly of human origin (remains of partially charred human bones). Examination of numerous human skulls revealed that they bore no signs of traumatic injuries.

A bomb crater is not a mass grave. Scattered surface remains are not a mass grave.

Then the report concludes this about mass graves:

During the investigation, no mass graves were found during field work, which, in connection with the testimonies of witnesses, leads to the assumption that almost all the bodies of the victims were burned.

This is all from 1945, when Judge Łukaszkiewicz went to T-II, along with Rachel Auerbach and 13 supposed witnesses and survivors of the supposed Treblinka Revolt:

• Jankiel Wiernik
• Henryk Poswolski
• Abe Kon
• Aron Czechowicz
• Oskar Strawczyński
• Samuel Reisman
• Aleksander Kudlik
• Hejnoch Brener
• Stanisław Kon
• Eugeniusz Turowski
• Henryk Reichman
• Szyja Warszawski
• Leon Finkelsztein

So we have 13 witnesses, an official investigation, and one map key that agree on no mass graves, as well as indeterminate scattered human remains. By contrast, one map key suggests the mass graves and burning sites are in the exact same location.

[Stubble]

I'd like to take this opportunity to point out an inconsistency with the modern narrative as it is put forward.

Note 'the tube'.

See how it is straight on these maps? See how, it doesn't have a 90° turn before the 'stairs to heaven' at the 'homicidal gas chambers' where people were 'gassed to death by means of a captured Soviet submarine engine'?

That's, something to note, along with the 'there are no mass graves' bit. Which is important of course, the fact that there were 'no mass graves' at Treblinka II.

I just want to highlight that the multi witness contemporary maps of Treblinka II reflect 'the tube' as a straight path.

[Nessie]

KUDLIK, WIERNIK, TRAUTSOLT MAP

KUDLIK, LAKS, PLATKIEWICZ MAP

And one other found in 'TORC' by Mattogno

http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/maps.html

I want to reevaluate this map from Obóz straceń w Treblince.

Spoiler

"5. Places of burial and burning of corpses."

It has a different map key than the map included in Obóz zagłady Treblinka.

Spoiler

"10. Places where corpses are burned."

There's no context for the first map, since Obóz straceń w Treblince doesn't seem to be online. I think it's just the same Polish investigation report as Obóz zagłady Treblinka, which is online.

(We'll ignore that the compass on both maps is incorrect.)

The 25m x 7.5m bomb crater was in the expected area of the gas chambers:

A series of test excavations was performed at the place where the [gas] chambers had to have been located, in order to find their foundation walls if possible.
...
The largest of the craters produced by explosions (numerous fragments attest to the fact that these explosions were set off by bombs), which is at maximum 6 meters deep and has a diameter of about 25 meters.

- Mattogno, Treblinka, pp 85-86.

If there were stinking, decomposing intestines, they were just as likely to be Polish treasure hunters indelicate with their use of explosives as Jews buried 3-4 years previously.

The 2-hectare area is not discussed in the context of the bomb craters:

In the northeastern part of the site, covering an area of approximately 2 hectares, there are masses of ashes mixed with sand. Numerous human bones, often with remnants of decomposed tissue, are found in the ashes and sand. During an examination conducted with the participation of a medical expert, it was determined that the ashes were undoubtedly of human origin (remains of partially charred human bones). Examination of numerous human skulls revealed that they bore no signs of traumatic injuries.

A bomb crater is not a mass grave. Scattered surface remains are not a mass grave.

Then the report concludes this about mass graves:

During the investigation, no mass graves were found during field work, which, in connection with the testimonies of witnesses, leads to the assumption that almost all the bodies of the victims were burned.

This is all from 1945, when Judge Łukaszkiewicz went to T-II, along with Rachel Auerbach and 13 supposed witnesses and survivors of the supposed Treblinka Revolt:

• Jankiel Wiernik
• Henryk Poswolski
• Abe Kon
• Aron Czechowicz
• Oskar Strawczyński
• Samuel Reisman
• Aleksander Kudlik
• Hejnoch Brener
• Stanisław Kon
• Eugeniusz Turowski
• Henryk Reichman
• Szyja Warszawski
• Leon Finkelsztein

So we have 13 witnesses, an official investigation, and one map key that agree on no mass graves, as well as indeterminate scattered human remains. By contrast, one map key suggests the mass graves and burning sites are in the exact same location.

All the witnesses agree, in what area of the camp, mass graves were located. A survey finds that the area has been disturbed and dug into by grave robbers, exposing cremated human remains and ash. The survey has no means to precisely determine what was mass grave and what is scattered remains from the grave robbing. It is limited by time and the lack of trained excavators. A later geophysical survey, did locate some of the grave pits.

[Nessie]

I'd like to take this opportunity to point out an inconsistency with the modern narrative as it is put forward.

Note 'the tube'.

See how it is straight on these maps? See how, it doesn't have a 90° turn before the 'stairs to heaven' at the 'homicidal gas chambers' where people were 'gassed to death by means of a captured Soviet submarine engine'?

That's, something to note, along with the 'there are no mass graves' bit. Which is important of course, the fact that there were 'no mass graves' at Treblinka II.

I just want to highlight that the multi witness contemporary maps of Treblinka II reflect 'the tube' as a straight path.

What does that evidence?

Maps here;

http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/maps.html