Evidence relating to TII (Treblinka)

[Nessie]

A list of the evidence relating to Treblinka (TII mostly) that is online. I will sort links in due course.

1 - Physical evidence

The 1945 Polish site examination of TII under Judge Lukaszkiewicz (Mattogno summary, not the original report, Chapter III, Investigations)

https://holocausthandbooks.com/book/treblinka/

The 2011 Caroline Sturdy-Colls thesis/dissertation on the examination of TII;

https://etheses.bham.ac.uk/id/eprint/35 ... s12PhD.pdf

Summary of works at Treblinka, both camps, by staff from Staffs University (including C S-C);

https://www.staffs.ac.uk/research/proje ... ka-project

Summary of the documentary made that followed some the work by Staffs Uni at Treblinka (includes details on how to watch the film);

https://blogs.staffs.ac.uk/archaeology/ ... -genocide/

CAD reconstruction of the gas chambers, from witness testimony;

http://www.deathcamps.org/gas_chambers/ ... ebcad.html

2 - Witness evidence

2.1 - Sonderkommado

List of eye witnesses, those who were inside TII and saw the gassings and other activity at the camp (there are 13 German and 7 Ukrainian camp staff and 14 Jewish Sonderkommandos in Part D) Das Prussians list of all witnesses to gassings.

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=372

Yankel Wiernik's 1945 book "A Year in Treblinka", the original version

https://digipres.cjh.org/delivery/Deliv ... =IE2948516

A translation of "A Year in Treblinka", along with his testimony in 1945 to Judge Łukaszkiewicz, his testimony at a trial in 1947 and his testimony at the Eichmann trial

https://www.zchor.org/treblink/wiernik.htm

https://www.zapisyterroru.pl/dlibra/pub ... aCA3cjs3Zg

https://www.zapisyterroru.pl/dlibra/pub ... aCA3cjs3Zg

http://www.nizkor.com/hweb/people/e/eic ... 66-03.html (link suspended)

Abraham Krzepicki book "Eighteen Days in Treblinka"

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/holocau ... t1916.html

Extracts from Sonderkommado testimony;

Oscar Strawczynski

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... ki%20.html
http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/str ... evolt.html

His testimony 7th October 1945, Lodz, for Judge Sledozy

https://www.holocausthistoricalsociety. ... ynski.html

Hershl Sperling

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... rling.html

Richard Glazar

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... lazar.html

Avraham Bomba

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... bomba.html

Eliahu Rosenberg (Eichmann trial)

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... imony.html

Filmed evidence from Sonderkommandos Samuel Willenberg and Kalman Taigman;

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt5641828/

Original testimony, 1946 trial testimony and the book "Last Jew of Treblinka" by Samuel Rajzman
https://www.zapisyterroru.pl/dlibra/pub ... DAgN3Y7N2o

https://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/02-27-46.asp

Original testimony of Sonderkommado Abe Kon;
https://www.zapisyterroru.pl/dlibra/pub ... dyA3dDs3aA

Eichmann trial testimony of Avraham Lindwasser;

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... imony.html

List of Jewish witnesses selected on arrival at TII and transported to other labour camps for work;

https://studylib.net/doc/7233192/trebli ... ist-edited

2.2 - Nazis

Extracts of Nazi testimony about the various AR camps, including Treblinka;

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... speak.html

2.3 - Polish railway workers

Franciszek Zabecki, station master

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... becki.html

Henryk Gawkowski, train driver

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn1004372

Stefan Kucharek, train driver

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/irn507880

Karol Socha, pointsman

https://www.zapisyterroru.pl/dlibra/pub ... DAgN3Y7N2o

Józef Pogorzelski, train dispatcher

https://www.zapisyterroru.pl/dlibra/pub ... DAgN3Y7N2o

Kazimierz Gawkowski, pointsman

https://www.zapisyterroru.pl/dlibra/pub ... DAgN3Y7N2o

2.4 - Collated statements of those who gave evidence to the Polish enquiry into TII, by Judge Łukaszkiewicz in 1945

https://www.zapisyterroru.pl/dlibra/res ... 20camp&p=0

3 - Documentary evidence of mass transports to TII

Hofle Telegram;

https://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/edu ... -telegram/

Stroop Report (transportation of Jews from Warsaw to TII to be exterminated);

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/th ... t-may-1943

Korherr Report;

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... rherr.html

Timelines and records of transports to TII;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_ ... ation_camp
https://web.archive.org/web/20130522164 ... today.html

Ganzenmuller Letter, July 1942;

http://www.deathcamps.org/reinhard/pic/ ... eller2.jpg

"A train carrying 5,000 Jews has run daily since 22 July from Warsaw to Treblinka via Malkinia; furthermore, another train has run twice a week with 5,000 Jews from Przemysl to Belzec."

Warsaw Treblinka shuttle train document, August 1942;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H%C3%B6fl ... blinka.jpg

"Shuttle train No. 548 departing from Warszawa Gdańska station to Treblinka beginning 6 August 1942 onward; exact timetable. Purpose: daily deportations; returning empty."

4 - Photographs

Aerial photo from 1944;

https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa29035

Some photos from the Kurt Franz album of the camp;

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... index.html

Photos of the camp site in 1945;

http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/lasttracks.html

Treblinka photos from The Ghetto Fighters archive;

https://infocenters.co.il/gfh/list.asp

5 - Miscellaneous

Newspaper report about TII (disputed)

https://codoh.com/library/document/enco ... isionists/

6 - Maps and plans

"Mapping Treblinka" list of various plans and maps

http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/maps.html

[pilgrimofdark]

Newspaper report about TII (disputed)

Link

Let's resolve this dispute.

Here's the newspaper in the Silesian Digital Library.

Dziennik Polski (The Polish Daily) - No. 615. Saturday, 11 July, 1942, page 3 (bottom left).
PDF Link

"Rzeź Żydów" (The massacre of the Jews)

The situation of the Jews is even worse. The case of the Warsaw ghetto is well-known. Hunger, death, and disease systematically and steadily exterminated the Jewish population. In Lublin, on the night of March 23rd to 24th, the Jewish population was rounded up. The sick and infirm were killed on the spot. All 108 children from the orphanage aged 2-9, along with their nurses, were taken out of the city and murdered. In total, 2,500 people were murdered that night, the remaining 26,000 were deported to the camps in Bełżec and Tremblinka. In Izbica Kujawska, 8,000 people were expelled to an unknown destination. Apparently, in Bełżec and Tremblinka, murders are carried out using poison gas. Mass murders in Rawa Ruska and Biłgoraj, where Jewish communities ceased to exist. In Wąwolnica near Kazimierz, on March 22, the SS shot 120 people in the market square. An unknown number were taken out of town and murdered. On March 30, they were driven from Opole to Nałęczów, killing 350 along the way. The rest were put into sealed wagons and transported away. In Mielec, a total of 1,300 people were killed on March 9. In Mir, 2,000 were murdered, in Nowogródek, 2,500, in Wołożyn, 1,800, and in Kajdanów, 4,000 Jews. From Hamburg, 30,000 Jews were brought to Minsk and all shot. Lviv is estimated at 30,000, Vilnius at 60,000, Stanisławów at 15,000, Tarnopol at 5,000, Złoczów at 2,000, and Brzeżany at 4,000 murdered Jews. They report the murder of Jews in Tarnów, Radom, Zborów, Kolomyia, Sambor, Stryj, Drohobycz, Zbaraż, Brody, Przemyśl, Koło, and Dąbie. The forced digging of one's own grave—shooting with colloquiums and murdering with grenades—and even gas poisoning were everyday methods of exterminating the Jewish population, and even, as in Lviv, Jewish communities had to prepare their own lists of those executed.

It's not a revisionist forgery by Walendy in 1990 or Kues in 2011.

The provenance shouldn't be in dispute. The importance of the article could be argued, although it's just a single article.

Many of the other links don't work?

Bibliographic/reference software is recommended for anyone trying to keep track of links, articles, books, etc. There are free options.

Reference Management

[Archie]

Let's resolve this dispute.

This "new" post by Nessie is actually a copy-paste job from many years ago. Apparently he hasn't even bothered to update anything. Half of the links are bad. Very low effort on the part of Nessie.

Nick Terry had at one pointed suggested (on JREF, I believe) that the article was a forgery by Walendy, but this was years ago. Nobody says this anymore.

Also note that Nessie has listed this as evidence supporting the Holocaust story even though that article is evidence against the Holocaust. One of his typical bluffs.

[Nessie]

Let's resolve this dispute.

This "new" post by Nessie is actually a copy-paste job from many years ago. Apparently he hasn't even bothered to update anything. Half of the links are bad. Very low effort on the part of Nessie.

Nick Terry had at one pointed suggested (on JREF, I believe) that the article was a forgery by Walendy, but this was years ago. Nobody says this anymore.

Also note that Nessie has listed this as evidence supporting the Holocaust story even though that article is evidence against the Holocaust. One of his typical bluffs.

I have copied and pasted this from another forum, which now restricts access to registered viewers. I want open access, so I can show the scale of evidence to deniers on X, the type that lie and suggest there is no evidence. I made it clear that it is work in progress to re-establish the links.

You are in dismissive mode, because you do not want to accept the scale of the evidence that TII was a death camp.

[Stubble]

Here I came to this thread thinking I might glean something I had previously overlooked only to find a ganked OP with broken links. Such is the total state of the orthodoxy...

Schrodinger's Evidence, it's there until you click the link...

Just trust me bro...

I suppose I'll wait for SanityCheck to come clean up this mess, then I will have something to throw on the scales and weigh...

The OP should take care to have his affairs in order before pressing 'submit'...

[pilgrimofdark]

Here I came to this thread thinking I might glean something I had previously overlooked only to find a ganked OP with broken links. Such is the total state of the orthodoxy...

I did the same. I misunderstood Nessie and thought he was going to use this thread to continue adding new links/sources, so I opened all the initial ones before he fixed some

That's why I threw in the link to the better scan of the newspaper. And I was running to get a few extra links on Zabecki.

My mistake.

I suppose I'll wait for SanityCheck to come clean up this mess, then I will have something to throw on the scales and weigh...

I was just thinking that if someone posted a collection of "Evidence relating to [X]" where many of the links were broken, Dr. Terry would assign him a combined 40,000 pages of recommended reading on how to gather and organize research data.

(and yes, I'd add all of his recommended books/articles to my to-read list)

And now that the 24-hour editing window has closed, some of those links will be broken in perpetuity, I guess?

[Archie]

Let's resolve this dispute.

This "new" post by Nessie is actually a copy-paste job from many years ago. Apparently he hasn't even bothered to update anything. Half of the links are bad. Very low effort on the part of Nessie.

Nick Terry had at one pointed suggested (on JREF, I believe) that the article was a forgery by Walendy, but this was years ago. Nobody says this anymore.

Also note that Nessie has listed this as evidence supporting the Holocaust story even though that article is evidence against the Holocaust. One of his typical bluffs.

I have copied and pasted this from another forum, which now restricts access to registered viewers. I want open access, so I can show the scale of evidence to deniers on X, the type that lie and suggest there is no evidence. I made it clear that it is work in progress to re-establish the links.

You are in dismissive mode, because you do not want to accept the scale of the evidence that TII was a death camp.

Ha, ha. Now you have to link them here where they will see you getting demolished repeatedly.

If you want to pursue this seriously, Nessie, you need to make arguments to tie this together. I know you do not believe in arguments, but you really should try it sometime.

I am not impressed by a list of links with no explanation, just as I wasn't the first time I saw this several years ago and just as I'm not impressed with your list of witness names with zero quotes, arguments, or analysis.

Let's look at your first bit of evidence. The 1945 investigation. First of all, you have to link to Mattogno's summary because he is the only author to discuss this. If this is such great proof, then why has the Holocaust side ignored this but not revisionists? Because it's actually supports the revisionist view.

I also find it funny that you accuse us of "lying" simply because we disagree with your fanciful interpretations of this material. That isn't lying. That's called having a different opinion. I would say it is you who is being deceptive by implying that these links have tons of supporting when they just don't.

[pilgrimofdark]

The 1945 Polish site examination of TII under Judge Lukaszkiewicz (Mattogno summary, not the original report, Chapter III, Investigations)

https://holocausthandbooks.com/book/treblinka/

Mattogno references these two Polish investigations, and they're both online now.

T-II
“Obóz zagłady Treblinka”, in: Biuletyn Głównej Komisji Badania Zbrodni Hitlerowskich w Polsce, I, 1946.
Source

T-I (labor camp & gravel mine)
“Obóz pracy w Treblince”, in: Biuletyn Głównej Komisji Badania Zbrodni Niemieckkich w Polsce, III, 1947.
Source

These have the full text of the investigation reports.

I haven't been able to find the other Polish document from Łukaszkiewicz that Mattogno references, Obóz straceń w Treblince.

[Stubble]

Pilgrimofdark, I'll say it again, you are a BEAST.

Thank you.

If the forum had a rep system, I'd green you for linking source Sir.

[Nessie]

....

Ha, ha. Now you have to link them here where they will see you getting demolished repeatedly.

I will see you lot crying all the witnesses lied, the archaeologists found nothing consistent with mass graves and the transport records prove nothing.

If you want to pursue this seriously, Nessie, you need to make arguments to tie this together. I know you do not believe in arguments, but you really should try it sometime.

You still don't get my argument! Here it is again......

The evidence forms a corroborated chronology of events, converging into a logical conclusion, whereby what took place inside TII is proven. That is how a historical narrative is normally pieced together. It is also how major criminal investigations are conducted. The most important part, is to determine what happened.

How do you still not understand that, despite months of repetitive explanation?

I am not impressed by a list of links with no explanation, just as I wasn't the first time I saw this several years ago and just as I'm not impressed with your list of witness names with zero quotes, arguments, or analysis.

Your "analysis" of the evidence is bogus. It is a series of "arguments" why you do not believe or think it is not possible, or it is lies, fakery.

Let's look at your first bit of evidence. The 1945 investigation. First of all, you have to link to Mattogno's summary because he is the only author to discuss this. If this is such great proof, then why has the Holocaust side ignored this but not revisionists? Because it's actually supports the revisionist view.

I also find it funny that you accuse us of "lying" simply because we disagree with your fanciful interpretations of this material. That isn't lying. That's called having a different opinion. I would say it is you who is being deceptive by implying that these links have tons of supporting when they just don't.

They way you treat the evidence and fail to create a chronology is what makes you a so-called revisionist and really a denier.

[Keen]

You are in dismissive mode, because you do not want to accept the scale of the evidence that TII was a death camp.

Let's take a closer look at "the scale of the evidence that TII was a death camp:"



Well, there you go - proof that 925,000 jews were murdered and their cremated remains buried in 15 "huge mass graves" at TII.

One simply cannot argue with this "scale" of physical evidence.

And just wait until you see "the scale" of evidence there is for the existence of "huge mass grave" F16.

It will shut the deniers up in a hurry!

[Keen]

A list of the evidence relating to Treblinka (TII mostly)...

1 - Physical evidence...

Nesserto,

Did CSC discover archaeological evidence that proves the existence of the "huge mass grave" that she labeled F16 - Yes. - or - No. - ??

If your answer is - Yes., then;

Can you show us the physical evidence that proves that TII "huge mass grave" F16 actually exists and actually contains the remains of at least two people?

Do you deny that Treblinka II's F16 is an actual "huge mass grave" that has been scientifically proven to contain the remains of at least two people - Yes. - or - No. - ??

[Keen]

Also note that Nessie has listed this as evidence supporting the Holocaust story even though that article is evidence against the Holocaust. One of his typical bluffs.

And yet another exapmple of its low IQ and mental illness.

[Keen]

Here I came to this thread thinking I might glean something I had previously overlooked

Had you overlooked all the physical / archaeological proof for the existence of Treblinka II's "huge mass grave" F16?

Not to worry if you have, as I have asked Nesserto to show it to us, and I'm sure he'll do so in no time.

[Stubble]

Keen, not to stifle your flair, but, have you considered that rapidly posting in series without exposition may be considered by some as 'spam'?

Food for thought.