The spacing of the holes in the roof of Krema I

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The spacing of the holes in the roof of Krema I

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I think the spacing of the holes in the roof of Krema I make sense;

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Dump Zyklon B through hole A first, which would drive people away from the doors. Then use holes B, C and D, which between them, cover the chamber.
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This topic is really Fred's, so here is what he had to say.
Fred Ziffel wrote: Sat Oct 25, 2025 8:51 am My argument is that the doorway was not relocated in the correct 1942 location is because the museum is trying to make the locations of the ceiling holes legitimate. Especially Ceiling Hole A. A combination of missing wall and current doorway location makes the ceiling hole A plausible. Look up and you see Ceiling Hole A
I feel Ceiling Hole A is in a ridiculous location and no sane engineer would put a ceiling hole there if the intent was to construct a gas chamber with ceiling holes
See in the attachment where I locate the doorway to oven room in 1942. See blueprint drawing, then see track in the floor in oven room, where one can plot the original location of the doorway, Then see distance to current doorway therefore one can plot a fairly accurate location of where exactly the doorway was. I show this in the attachments here and the next posting

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Fred is certainly correct that hole A is implausibly close to the washing room's wall. The locations for the four holes were obviously chosen to appear to create an even distribution of Zyklon, but that doesn't work with this hole being right in the corner. Measurements of their locations make it apparent that they were created in relation to the postwar building layout, not the 1942 building layout.

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Would it make sense to put one of the holes right in front of two doorways? It doesn't strike me as ridiculous but I do find it odd. The hole would be right over top of the swinging door, and it would be one of the first things a person sees when they walk in. Since the museum authorities did cut out a new doorway away from hole A, instead of reopening the original, perhaps Fred is right.
Nessie wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2025 1:09 pm Dump Zyklon B through hole A first, which would drive people away from the doors.
Your hypothesis is speculative and not based on what any of the supposed witnesses said. In fact they said the opposite. Höss wrote:
During the insertion, some screamed ‘gas,’ which triggered a powerful roar and a shoving toward the two doors.
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Re: The spacing of the holes in the roof of Krema I

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Wetzelrad wrote: Sun Nov 02, 2025 5:40 pm This topic is really Fred's, so here is what he had to say.
Fred Ziffel wrote: Sat Oct 25, 2025 8:51 am My argument is that the doorway was not relocated in the correct 1942 location is because the museum is trying to make the locations of the ceiling holes legitimate. Especially Ceiling Hole A. A combination of missing wall and current doorway location makes the ceiling hole A plausible. Look up and you see Ceiling Hole A
I feel Ceiling Hole A is in a ridiculous location and no sane engineer would put a ceiling hole there if the intent was to construct a gas chamber with ceiling holes
See in the attachment where I locate the doorway to oven room in 1942. See blueprint drawing, then see track in the floor in oven room, where one can plot the original location of the doorway, Then see distance to current doorway therefore one can plot a fairly accurate location of where exactly the doorway was. I show this in the attachments here and the next posting

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Fred is certainly correct that hole A is implausibly close to the washing room's wall. The locations for the four holes were obviously chosen to appear to create an even distribution of Zyklon, but that doesn't work with this hole being right in the corner. Measurements of their locations make it apparent that they were created in relation to the postwar building layout, not the 1942 building layout.

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Would it make sense to put one of the holes right in front of two doorways? It doesn't strike me as ridiculous but I do find it odd. The hole would be right over top of the swinging door, and it would be one of the first things a person sees when they walk in. Since the museum authorities did cut out a new doorway away from hole A, instead of reopening the original, perhaps Fred is right.
Nessie wrote: Mon Oct 27, 2025 1:09 pm Dump Zyklon B through hole A first, which would drive people away from the doors.
Your hypothesis is speculative and not based on what any of the supposed witnesses said. In fact they said the opposite. Höss wrote:
During the insertion, some screamed ‘gas,’ which triggered a powerful roar and a shoving toward the two doors.
I wonder why Fred thinks an engineer decided on the location of the holes and was it not just the SS officer tasked with the job? Maybe they were not good with their measurements? Or maybe it was done, so hole A could be used first, to drive people away from the door? Even if there was a rush to the doors, it now had to be done with a pile of Zyklon B pellets at their feet.

There is no evidence the Poles cut a new hole, rather than reopened what was already there.
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Lol. They measured perfectly. They just measured from the wrong locations. They had assumed that the internal walls which provided support for the air raid shelter included the wall of the washroom, so they removed it. Then they measured from the remaining wall. It was a crude fabrication.
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Wetzelrad wrote: Sun Nov 02, 2025 5:55 pm Lol. They measured perfectly. They just measured from the wrong locations. They had assumed that the internal walls which provided support for the air raid shelter included the wall of the washroom, so they removed it. Then they measured from the remaining wall. It was a crude fabrication.
It is an unevidenced theory that the Poles cut all four holes, in the roof, which had no holes, and spaced them to fit the room created by demolishing all bar one wall. Other theories also work and at least the evidence is there, to prove Krema I was used for gassings.
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