"56 Olympic Swimming Pools" and Treblinka (Nessie's logic)

[HansHill]

Nessie is so terribly confused right now. SAD.

This whole thread:

[Nessie]

There is nothing confusing about the evidence.

[Callafangers]

"In the northwestern section of the area, the surface is covered for about 2 hec-
tares by a mixture of ashes and sand. In this mixture, one finds countless hu-
man bones, often still covered with tissue remains, which are in a condition of
decomposition. During the inspection, which I made with the assistance of an
expert in forensic medicine, it was determined that the ashes are without any
doubt of human origin (remains of cremated human bones). The examination of
human skulls could discover no trace of wounding. At a distance of some 100
m, there is now an unpleasant odor of burning and decay."

Nessie is so terribly confused right now. SAD.

I have been kind enough to bold and green the text above which Nessie doesn't seem to understand.

This description ONLY speaks to what is ON THE SURFACE.

ALL of the decaying/cremated matter being spoke of here is what is ON THE SURFACE, per Judge L's own explicit and exclusive words/phrasing.

Why did you miss out the part about decaying cremated human remains?

I didn't -- you simply misunderstood it (see above).

You did, here, where you only mention ashes and sand and you drop human remains;

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=17822#p17822

I have forced you to now include the part about human remains. As for only on the surface, think about it. You are talking about an explosion that left a crater, containing ashes and remains, so the spread on the surface, came from buried ashes and remains. If there are no human remains on the surface and then after an explosion there are human remains on the surface, then there must be buried human remains.

Nessie:

• I have nowhere suggested that there were not human corpse remains initially buried within the place where a massive bomb fell.
• It is pretty clear that for most purposes of our discussion, the terms "ashes" and "human remains" can be used interchangeably
• Your focus on this is meaningless, given that Judge L's statement quoted in green above makes 100% clear he is including human remains in "this mixture" he explicitly describes

You are so utterly confused, sad, and desperate at this point, you're just arguing rhetorically/semantically with zero substance left.

The key points:

• The only claimed findings of physical evidence of actual corpses at Treblinka comes from Judge L and his team.
• The only report from Judge L and his team of actual corpse remains comes from the largest crater (in the northwestern area) and the surface area it exploded onto
• The surface area of the crater (being 25m in diameter) comes out to about 490m2, which is less than 2.5% of the 2 hectares area you have brought up repeatedly in the past
• This means you have extrapolated what was found underneath this much smaller area of the camp (and also interpreted it to mean near-homogenous crematory contents) into an area more than 40 times its size (2.5% x 40 = 100% of the 2 hectares area).

In other words, you found a relatively tiny grave (certainly by WW2 standards) and extrapolated it to mean 800,000 corpses over an area 40 times that size (or possibly more, since craters are conical in shape [i.e. sloped side-walls], so it remains unconfirmed whether the corpse/ash remains approached anything near 6-7m throughout, or just in the center, and assuming the 6-7m depth wasn't also influenced by the explosion, as Wetzelrad has noted).

For the other 98-99% of that "2 hectares" area, you have no forensic findings that account for even one additional corpse!

Thus, you deflect onto findings of "disturbed earth" which mean essentially nothing given the bombings and other burials (e.g. tons of Jewish property) reported abundantly by Judge L and his team, who themselves also dug/excavated throughout the camp.

All that remains are your "witnesses" who overall tell massive lies at a frequency/scale beyond that of any other generally-accepted historical narrative.

Oof.

Because it is the only location for which they mention such remains. Why on Earth would I infer human remains where such remains are not mentioned at all?

Quotes from the Mattogno translation;

"The largest of the craters produced by explosions"
"Numerous human remains were found by these excavations, still partially in a state of decomposition"
"There are innumerable holes and craters on the property"

If you do not believe that means there were buried cremains in that area, then you also have to ignore the eyewitness and geophysical evidence.

Nessie, should I be shocked that you are engaging in ever-more shameless and blatant misrepresentations? Here is the full paragraph you are quoting:

The largest of the craters produced by explosions (numerous fragments attest to the fact that these explosions were set off by bombs), which is at maximum 6 meters deep and has a diameter of about 25 meters – its walls give recognizable evidence of the presence of a large quantity of ashes as well as human remains – was further excavated in order to discover the depth of the pit in this part of the camp. Numerous human remains were found by these excavations, partially still in a state of decomposition.[208] The soil consists of ashes interspersed with sand, is of a dark gray color and granulous in form. During the excavations, the soil gave off an intense odor of burning and decay. At a depth of 7.5 meters the bottom was reached, which consisted of layers of unmixed sand. At this point the digging was stopped here.

Notice anything? Perhaps that the entire discussion of excavations here pertains to this one massive crater?

There is zero discussion of any other excavation sites here -- only of multiple excavations of this same crater, uncovering corpse/ash remains and sand (and soil) to a depth of 7.5 meters (the last stretch being almost entirely sand).

I repeat: the only location where corpses/remains are reported is in the excavation of this one single crater, which itself had very non-homogenous contents.

The Poles reported numerous craters and excavations, containing human remains, in the 2 hectare site.

The "2 hectares" fantasy is dead, Nessie. The only reference to this "2 hectares" area is Judge L mentioning that this is the surface area across which ash/remains/sand was scattered due to the bomb that exploded a massive crater which had corpses in it -- the sole location where corpses were found at all.

Geophysical finds of 5 pits next to each other, in the same area, corroborates the witnesses.

"Geophysical finds" included only disturbed earth and burials at a location which countless burials of junk property (clothing, kitchenware, furniture, etc.) and refuse pits are documented by Judge L and his team, across almost the entire camp.

"Disturbed earth" does not and cannot be reasonably interpreted as "chock-full of corpses". But for you to reach even an order of magnitude within your necessary 800,000 Jews, you need the entire area to be chock-filled.

Nessie, this is "rock bottom". Face it, own it, admit it.

At the very least, tell us how many "Olympic sized swimming pools" you would still claim are evidenced as filled with Jews.

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Remember, folks: Nessie claims there are Jews/corpses amounting to ten times the number of people in this entire crowd, buried right under Treblinka:



Nessie insists that his handful of inconsistent, lying witnesses is enough to fully substantiate this claim.

Explain away, Nessie.

[Stubble]

If Auschwitz only had one pool, how many bodies were in it?



Perhaps we just divide 3,000,000 by 56?

Or did Nessie say 900,000?

How many fit in the Auschwitz pool?

[Keen]

Wait, if we are using the 2 hectares by 7m calculus, aren't we supposed to be trying to fit 3,000,000 in there?

Or am I missing the narrative?

~800,000 is generally the total said to be buried under Treblinka.

The USHMM alleges 925,000.

[Stubble]

So we divide 925,000 by 56 and we know how many jews were buried in the pool at Auschwitz?

[Keen]

It is not wonder you want to rubbish those basic facts, as they prove the camp was easily big enough to accommodate multiple mass graves, and c850,000 buried corpses.

Speaking of rubbish Nessie, which one of the 15 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" of TII is the garbage pit?

[Keen]

So we divide 925,000 by 56 and we know how many jews were buried in the pool at Auschwitz?

Well, we have to figure in the number of jews buried in the "well grave" at Sobibor too. So we have to add that number to 925,000 and then we would have to divide by 57, and that would give us the number of jews buried in "huge mass grave" #11 at Belzec, which would be the square root of the number of jews buried in the Auschwitz "ash pond," where one can literally "touch" the remains of 4 million jews.

[Stubble]

But, how many are in the pool?

[Keen]

But, how many are in the pool?

It depends. Are we talking about liquified jews, magically disappearing jews, or magically disappearing liquified jews?

[Keen]

Summary of the 2011 survey;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-16657363

"The existence of mass graves was known about from witness testimony, but the failure to provide persuasive physical evidence led some to question whether it could really be true that hundreds of thousands of Jews were killed here.
Although they lasted only a few days, those post-war investigations remained the most complete studies of the camp until I began my work at Treblinka in 2010.
This revealed the existence of a number of pits across the site.
Some may be the result of post-war looting, prompted by myths of buried Jewish gold, but several larger pits were recorded in areas suggested by witnesses as the locations of mass graves and cremation sites.
One is 26m long, 17m wide and at least four metres deep, with a ramp at the west end and a vertical edge to the east.
Another five pits of varying sizes and also at least this deep are located nearby. Given their size and location, there is a strong case for arguing that they represent burial areas....
At Treblinka it is clear that the ash contains many bones. Bone fragments can still be seen on the surface of the ground, especially after rain.
Considerable evidence also exists to suggest that not all of the bodies were exhumed and cremated. Photographs show bodies littering the landscape as late as the early 1960s."

Which one is the garbage pit Nessie?

[Keen]

He will never stop.

Note, we have made the circle again and gone from, 'it's the grave space' to 'it's not the grave space' back to 'it's the grave space'...

/shrug

Exactly. It happens every time. Arguing grave space is a total waste of time.

There is only one effective way to argue about the fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves:"

By examining each “proven mass grave” allegation separately, an intelligent person can easily see just how utterly vacuous and criminally fraudulent this transparent archaeological hoax really is.

http://thisisaboutscience.com/

And here is an example of how effective that approach is:

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=16876#p16876

[Stubble]

But, how many are in the pool?

It depends. Are we talking about liquified jews, magically disappearing jews, or magically disappearing liquified jews?

Fair point. I've never seen any in there.

Makes me wonder why they had 56 pools at Treblinka II. Perhaps they were simply holding races.

[Archie]

Nessie has been saying this "2 hectares/50 Olympic swimming pools!" thing forever. This is what he does. He gets these little mantras in his head and he just repeats them over an over, totally ignoring counterpoints.

He claims (falsely) that CSC's dissertation has "photos galore" of human remains.