Did Germany Have an Infinite Gasoline Hack I am Unaware of?

[Stubble]

Bombsaway said something earlier;

I mean you may think I have no argument, there we disagree. You have slipped further and further into the hole of self delusion furthered by the echo chamber here, but whatever that's your prerogative.

None of your points make much sense to me, eg the assertion that I lean on a tiny fuel requirement? Not so, fuel requirement was considerable, but assuming it was all liquid fuels not beyond the capability of NS Germany.

There are unknowns here, just like there are for your assertion about maintenance of resettled Jews in these territories. They must have been fed, secured, supplied as well (cascading problems for you, not addressed at all). The issue of supplying the ghettos was a huge one for NS Germany in Poland at least and v important in the decision to empty them.

I highlighted it in bold.

I want to open this up for debate here, because I could be missing something. Now, to the best of my knowledge, Germany was in a fuel crunch (in addition to all of the other crunches, like, the calorie crunch). This is part of the reason they were unable to win on the eastern front.

Here, Bombsaway says they had no real limits of liquid fuel.

Beyond the need to show 'benzene' deliveries that would have been literal tankers to try to incinerate a group of bodies with liquid fuel, and the fact that liquid fuel flashes and thus does not deliver sufficient energy to efficiently incinerate bodies, much of the heat being harmlessly given up to the atmosphere, and the other various problems with this assertion, I have to ask, did the Germans have a fuel hack I am unaware of?

We have gone from the bodies were obliterated with a couple of cords of green pine, to, the bodies were obliterated with a couple of gallons of 'benzene', 'petrol', 'gasoline' or 'diesel'...

Where, did this precious wartime resource come from? Did the luftwaffe donate it? The panzer divisions? The grenadiers? Who gave up gas to simply be burned in the open air during the largest combat operation in human history (short of operation barkhane)?

[bombsaway]

I want to open this up for debate here, because I could be missing something. Now, to the best of my knowledge, Germany was in a fuel crunch (in addition to all of the other crunches, like, the calorie crunch). This is part of the reason they were unable to win on the eastern front.

Yeah w the calorie crunch you have to wonder the resource deficit feeding the non-working Jewish population would have entailed, plus energy and manpower required to supply them, build housing, secure them.

You should run that resource cost against the resource cost for the burnings, I think you'll find that that was greater (to maintain millions of Jews).

I go by witness testimony which states a mix of wood and liquid fuel was used, with the wood being soaked. I don't know the ratio.

[Stubble]

I want to open this up for debate here, because I could be missing something. Now, to the best of my knowledge, Germany was in a fuel crunch (in addition to all of the other crunches, like, the calorie crunch). This is part of the reason they were unable to win on the eastern front.

Yeah w the calorie crunch you have to wonder the resource deficit feeding the non-working Jewish population would have entailed, plus energy and manpower required to supply them, build housing, secure them.

You should run that resource cost against the resource cost for the burnings, I think you'll find that that was greater.

I go by witness testimony which states a mix of wood and liquid fuel was used, with the wood being soaked. I don't know the ratio.

Share that testimony or retract that assertion Sir.

[bombsaway]

I want to open this up for debate here, because I could be missing something. Now, to the best of my knowledge, Germany was in a fuel crunch (in addition to all of the other crunches, like, the calorie crunch). This is part of the reason they were unable to win on the eastern front.

Yeah w the calorie crunch you have to wonder the resource deficit feeding the non-working Jewish population would have entailed, plus energy and manpower required to supply them, build housing, secure them.

You should run that resource cost against the resource cost for the burnings, I think you'll find that that was greater.

I go by witness testimony which states a mix of wood and liquid fuel was used, with the wood being soaked. I don't know the ratio.

Share that testimony or retract that assertion Sir.

Why did you think I was lying? This is common knowledge.

Mathes on Treblinka burnings:

At that time SS Oberscharführer or Hauptscharführer [Herbert] Floss, who, as I
assume, was previously in another extermination camp, arrived. He was in charge of
the arrangements for cremating the corpses. The cremation took place in such a way
that railway lines and concrete blocks were placed together. The corpses were piled on
these rails. Brushwood was put under the rails. The wood was doused with petrol. In
that way not only the newly accumulated corpses were cremated, but also those taken
out from the graves.

[Stubble]

You should retract, that is not soaking wood, that is dousing 'some brush', furthermore, that would not cremate a body, what's less a pile of bodies.

It is as silly as the crematoria at Auschwitz using 'some straw' to 'ignite a body' and 'the body burning the other bodies'.

Pure silliness.

5 gallons of benzene and some brush a cremation pyre does not make.

[bombsaway]

Is brushwood wood? Is soaking not dousing?

[Stubble]

Is brushwood wood? Is soaking not dousing?

Read, assertion 1 from you, highlighted in the op.

Read assertion 2 from you

I go by witness testimony which states a mix of wood and liquid fuel was used, with the wood being soaked. I don't know the ratio.

Then read your support

At that time SS Oberscharführer or Hauptscharführer [Herbert] Floss, who, as I
assume, was previously in another extermination camp, arrived. He was in charge of
the arrangements for cremating the corpses. The cremation took place in such a way
that railway lines and concrete blocks were placed together. The corpses were piled on
these rails. Brushwood was put under the rails. The wood was doused with petrol. In
that way not only the newly accumulated corpses were cremated, but also those taken
out from the graves.

Now, tell me if you are being consistent Bombsaway.

For clarity, dousing and soaking are entirely different, hence they are different words, that describe, different things.

When we are talking about wood for outdoor cremations, this;



Is not what comes to mind.

This is;



This is soaking;



This is dousing;

[bombsaway]

I mean technically you're right but it's just a nitpick, as are most of your arguments.

I'll ammend my statement to, they poured gasoline directly on wood and they poured gasoline on corpses stacked between different layers of wood, so at least some of the gasoline soaked into the wood, before combustion.

Wow, you've done it brother. LONG CLAP

[Stubble]

Your support?

Now you need a different testimony Bombsaway.

I'm going to leave this thread for 3 days, and see if it progresses.

I am amused that you consider pointing out the difference from your original assertion, your 2nd assertion and your supporting testimony 'nitpicking' and that you unironically want to lean on the same testimony to support your new bullshit Bombsaway.

[bombsaway]

Together with some comrades and guards Gley obtained ten railway rails about ten meters long, trolley rails and huge stones. They mounted the rails onto the stones, so that these, together with the trolley rails meant to keep the corpses from sliding through, formed a heightened grid roaster. With the help an excavator and the reinforced working detachment they alternately placed corpses and wood on the railway rails, poured flammable liquid like oil and gasoline over the corpses and ignited them. The Jewish »burning detachment« had to keep the fire going and see to it that the corpses burned completely.

sources given are

Experten der Vernichtung, p. 191; the testimonies mentioned in note 11 on p. 540 are the following: Tauscher, 18.12.1963; Unverhau, 3.8.1970; Jührs, 11-13.10.1961; Michal Kusmierczak, 16.10.1945 u. 13.10.1966; Edward Luczyński, 15.10.1945; Fedor Korownitschenko, 13.8.1966; Ludwig Obalek, 10.10.1945; Stefan Kirsz, 15.10.1945; Gley, 8-10.5.1961; Taras Olejinik, 24.10.1966

I'll look into these testimonies in the following days but they would be the ones to give you details. Probably some revisionists have quoted them. Btw I've noticed a stark difference from when you first got here, in your disposition to me if not anything else. Maybe you know much better now, but I would say you have experienced brain rot from being in this echo chamber for so long.

[Archie]

Bombs has pushed this liquid-fuels-instead-of-wood theory of his for a couple of years now. It's amazing to me that he hasn't abandoned this yet. It's been explained to him multiple times. If he hasn't gotten it by now, he's never going to get it. He obviously has no experience building fires.

[Nazgul]

Yeah w the calorie crunch you have to wonder the resource deficit feeding the non-working Jewish population would have entailed, plus energy and manpower required to supply them, build housing, secure them.

You should run that resource cost against the resource cost for the burnings, I think you'll find that that was greater (to maintain millions of Jews).

I go by witness testimony which states a mix of wood and liquid fuel was used, with the wood being soaked. I don't know the ratio.

Most were in labour camps. Wood does not just soak up gasoline, in fact it has more energy. I use alcohol to start fires in winter daily on a wooden substrate of kindling. Wood can be used to make gasoline. It takes a minimum of 100 kg of wood (16 stone) to burn a body, though most Hindu cremations use 6 x that amount of wood, to reduce the body to ashes.

I do not think your AI will assist you much on this one with no scientific or mathematical understanding.

[bombsaway]

Bombs has pushed this liquid-fuels-instead-of-wood theory of his for a couple of years now. It's amazing to me that he hasn't abandoned this yet. It's been explained to him multiple times. If he hasn't gotten it by now, he's never going to get it. He obviously has no experience building fires.

The simpler truth is I think you guys are basically insane when it comes to Holocaust stuff (due to committing so much time and going so deep into this rabbit hole, existing in this echo chamber for years or decades) and I'm not readily going to believe the things you tell me, about science or anything else

https://chatgpt.com/share/68ed2a27-105c ... 92d26f6061

[Callafangers]

The simpler truth is I think you guys are basically insane when it comes to Holocaust stuff (due to committing so much time and going so deep into this rabbit hole, existing in this echo chamber for years or decades) and I'm not readily going to believe the things you tell me, about science or anything else

https://chatgpt.com/share/68ed2a27-105c ... 92d26f6061

BA gets very mad when you point out that his gasoline-theory is totally unevidenced, desperate, and ridiculous.

EDIT: As a reminder, we did the math on the needed fuel deliveries. It would require some minimum thousands of tankers' worth of deliveries to the AR camps (>1,000 to Sobibor alone), for which not a shred of documentation nor even ridiculous Jewish testimony attests to, see:

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=1244#p1244

[bombsaway]

The simpler truth is I think you guys are basically insane when it comes to Holocaust stuff (due to committing so much time and going so deep into this rabbit hole, existing in this echo chamber for years or decades) and I'm not readily going to believe the things you tell me, about science or anything else

https://chatgpt.com/share/68ed2a27-105c ... 92d26f6061

BA gets very mad when you point out that his gasoline-theory is totally unevidenced, desperate, and ridiculous.

EDIT: As a reminder, we did the math on the needed fuel deliveries. It would require some minimum thousands of tankers' worth of deliveries to the AR camps (>1,000 to Sobibor alone), for which not a shred of documentation nor even ridiculous Jewish testimony attests to, see:

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=1244#p1244

I think it's possible or likely you're overestimating the amount of wood/fuel needed by orders of magnitude, but anyway, Globocnik said these kinds of records has been destroyed, that's documented.

Also should be noted that far more data would have been generated concerning transportation, housing, supplying, feeding, securing millions of resettled Jews in the Occupied USSR, but this doesn't seem to bother you an iota.

All the problems you point out here apply to your theory as well, to a much greater extent. And you have nothing like the Globocnik letter, it's all just speculative, which is why you're not doing history.