Criticism of Jews as a Collective (Not Just as Individuals) is Ethical and Warranted

[Nessie]

Nessie's latest spam is a lazy Wikipedia dump of Catholic groups

It also hilariously demonstrates the point rather than disproves it. Despite Christian countries having Christian interests, they are mostly powerless to actually enforce poltical or societal influence in the West (ie, powerless to stop abortion, gay marriage, transgenderism, ME wars and so on and so forth).

Thanks for demonstrating the point, Nessie.

Catholics/Christians also have dozens or hundreds of different national interests -- that accounts for dozens or hundreds of different tribal interests, bound only by their religious faith (and even that is fragmented into many denominations having little or connection to one another, especially across national borders).

You have expanded Roman Catholicism, to include all Christian religions, to make that point. If you stick to just the RC Church, your point fails.

Note that there are hardly any parent organizations for these Catholic groups on the list, let alone ones which unite them along social and political lines intent on things like political subversion or empowerment, loyalty to a given foreign nation, media control, etc.

This isn't the case with Jews, who frequently share the same national loyalty ('Israel'), no matter what country they are occupying. Even if we say "not all Jews", the patterns in Jewish organizational development show beyond dispute that it's a metric shitload of them who do maintain this foreign loyalty.

Can anyone list the Jewish organizations that explicitly encourage Jewish loyalty to the host nation over loyalty to Israel?

Bueller...? Buuuueeeellleerrr???

Can you list a RC organisation that encourages loyalty to the host nation, over loyalty to the Papacy?

Roman Catholics have very specific interests, that they, throughout history, have imposed all over the world. Ireland is a very good example of church vs nation. The power of the RC church, especially over family life, destroyed many Irish lives, from children being left to die, imprisonment of their mothers if they were unmarried, homosexuality being illegal and the prevention of divorce and abortions. Many Irish people saw such repression, as against Irish nationalism and its genral, historic fight for freedom, but until very recently, the Church dominated. The Roman Catholics put their religion in front of nationalism. It is just in the last few decades, that has changed, and nationalism has become more influential. Women no longer get punished for illegitimate children. Homosexuality is legal.

Where does the RC church call for acceptance of national practices, over its religious teachings and for RCs to ignore church rulings over issues such as divorce?

[Nessie]

Nessie's latest spam is a lazy Wikipedia dump of Catholic groups

It also hilariously demonstrates the point rather than disproves it. Despite Christian countries having Christian interests, they are mostly powerless to actually enforce poltical or societal influence in the West (ie, powerless to stop abortion, gay marriage, transgenderism, ME wars and so on and so forth).

Thanks for demonstrating the point, Nessie.

Seriously, are you arguing that the RC Church has, over the centuries, across the world, been powerless to stop abortion etc? Look at the fight it has put up, to prevent abortion in the US, where it has been successful in restricting its availability, and in many places, preventing it. Look at all of the countries, when the RC Church is dominant, and there is no abortion.

You are clearly blind to RC influence over world socio-politics, but you see the Jewish influence, magnified.

[HansHill]

But you are OK with that, because the are not Jews.

Firstly, attempting to use Ireland of all countries as an example of the RCC wielding political power, control and influence is laughable. Ireland is speedrunning through the cataclysmic stages of Liberal Degeneracy as we speak, and the RCC was powerless to prevent things like divorce, gay marriage, abortion etc from being enacted. Someone on this forum said that you are English so you should know this, by proximity if nothing else.

Secondly your quip above shows you are not thinking logically, but rather are coming from this from a Jewish activist perspective. Even if what you said was true (it isn't), of course Catholics would "be ok" with living in Catholic countries where Catholics exert power, influence and control, for Catholic interests. Why in God's name would they not be? Why should they prefer to live under Jewish control?

[Nessie]

But you are OK with that, because the are not Jews.

Firstly, attempting to use Ireland of all countries as an example of the RCC wielding political power, control and influence is laughable. Ireland is speedrunning through the cataclysmic stages of Liberal Degeneracy as we speak, and the RCC was powerless to prevent things like divorce, gay marriage, abortion etc from being enacted. Someone on this forum said that you are English so you should know this, by proximity if nothing else.

I was clear that Ireland was a good example, because the control the RC Church had over it, has been laid bare over the past couple of decades, as that control has slipped. The interests of the RC Church had primacy over national interests, where the Irish have been fighting the British, and then the Church, for greater, national, freedom. The situation in Ireland proves that given the chance, the church will dominate a huge part of a nation's citizen's lives, imposing its will, over national preferences.

The grip the RC Church had over Ireland, is still evident in many nations across the world, from the Philippines, to the DRC, to Brazil. You are clearly OK for that religion to exert controls in its interests, because they likely align closer to your accepted customs and beliefs, than other religions.

Secondly your quip above shows you are not thinking logically, but rather are coming from this from a Jewish activist perspective. Even if what you said was true (it isn't), of course Catholics would "be ok" with living in Catholic countries where Catholics exert power, influence and control, for Catholic interests. Why in God's name would they not be? Why should they prefer to live under Jewish control?

You complain about Jewish attempts to exert control over nations, imposing their preferred policies, such as your claim about promoting multiculturalism. But you are fine with the RC Church exerting control over entire countries, imposing its preferred policies, such as no abortion or divorce.

[Nessie]

We should move on to Islam and its desire to control nations and spread its influence around the world.

[Callafangers]

We should move on to Islam and its desire to control nations and spread its influence around the world.

What is the net worth of Islamic organizations and their facilities within Western borders? How much of the media (hence, public opinion) do Muslims control as CEOs and chairpersons? How many Hollywood movies are produced and green-lighted (or censored/prevented) by Muslims? In what areas of the financial sector are Muslims disproportionately represented? Which of the largest political lobbies in the USA are dedicated solely to the interest of any Muslim nation? Which challenges to Muslim narratives of suffering are censored in the West?

[HansHill]

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Insufferable. You seem to have missed the entire point as always. So i will ask yet again:

If what you are saying were true, what exactly would be your issue with Catholic countries being Catholic and promoting Catholic interests? Shouldn't you just go away and let them be Catholic?

[HansHill]

We should move on to Islam and its desire to control nations and spread its influence around the world.

Careful, thats a hate crime in your country, guvner! Oi matey, you got a loicense for that Islamaphobia?

[Nessie]

We should move on to Islam and its desire to control nations and spread its influence around the world.

What is the net worth of Islamic organizations and their facilities within Western borders? How much of the media (hence, public opinion) do Muslims control as CEOs and chairpersons? How many Hollywood movies are produced and green-lighted (or censored/prevented) by Muslims? In what areas of the financial sector are Muslims disproportionately represented? Which of the largest political lobbies in the USA are dedicated solely to the interest of any Muslim nation? Which challenges to Muslim narratives of suffering are censored in the West?

Muslim influence and control, is on the rise, especially as Saudi Arabia seeks a post-oil world position, using the money generated by that oil, to invest. Yes, there are sectors where Jewish presence is greater than the Muslim presence, in the West, but Christian influence is the most dominant. The Saudi lobby in the US, is significant. The Western press is often accused of ignoring suffering of Muslims in Gaza.

Because you concentrate on Jews, you think that they have a greater significance and dominance, than they do in reality.

[Nessie]

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Insufferable. You seem to have missed the entire point as always. So i will ask yet again:

If what you are saying were true, what exactly would be your issue with Catholic countries being Catholic and promoting Catholic interests? Shouldn't you just go away and let them be Catholic?

Tell that to the Irish, as you demand they return to a nation which imprisons unmarried mothers, allows illegitimate children to die, has banned homosexuality and divorce and protects paedophile priests.

You are clearly quite happy with RC influence over a country, promoting loyalty to the Church over the State.

[Nessie]

We should move on to Islam and its desire to control nations and spread its influence around the world.

Careful, thats a hate crime in your country, guvner! Oi matey, you got a loicense for that Islamaphobia?

It is not a hate crime to discuss Muslim organisations in the UK, that promote their social and religious beliefs, that are often conflicting with UK laws and customs, such as FGM and honour based violence. Not all Muslims practice such, but they are not practiced at all in the UK. It is not hate to discuss how many Muslims have failed to integrate into UK society, and instead gathered in certain areas, creating Muslim majorities. It is a fact that Muslim men were able to groom and sexually abuse females, many of which were children, whilst UK authorities, such as the police, were too scared to act.

There is a load of crap spouted about the UK, by conspiracists, regarding hate crimes and freedom of speech.

[HansHill]

What exactly am I telling to Catholics - that they aren't allowed live in Catholic countries anymore? Why in God's name would I tell them that?

Catholics in Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Italy and whatever other countries you blabbered on about should be free to remain Catholic without having their countries and values subverted by external forces. This isn't hard to understand.

[Nessie]

What exactly am I telling to Catholics - that they aren't allowed live in Catholic countries anymore? Why in God's name would I tell them that?

Catholics in Ireland, Spain, Portugal, Italy and whatever other countries you blabbered on about should be free to remain Catholic without having their countries and values subverted by external forces. This isn't hard to understand.

You are missing the point. It is not just Jews who will prioritise religion over their host nation. Roman Catholics will do it as well. Indeed, many nations are subservient to a religion, that dictates what people can and cannot do. But, you only criticise that, or see a problem with it, when Jews prioritise their religion over their nation.

[Eye of Zyclone]

The main thing I do here, is point out the flaws in the ways so-called revisionists investigate. Here, they are cherry-picking.

No, you're just trying to muddy the waters in order to save Israel's dearest founding myth from its own gross inconsistencies and blatant lies. Or in other words, 99% of your activities on this forum are about confusing as many lurkers & newbies as possible regarding the refutation of the Holohoax myth. Just Zionist damage control. That's crystal clear.

Not if you understood how historical and criminal investigations are normally conducted. Then you would see that my criticism of so-called revisionist methodology is crystal clear.

From the Holohoax case, I'd say that historical and criminal investigations are normally conducted by declaring from the outset that an alleged crime is a fact of common knowledge for which no proof will be required and a kangaroo court not "bound by technical rules of evidence" will just "take judicial notice" of it (articles 19 & 21 of the Nuremberg show trials charter).

[Nessie]

No, you're just trying to muddy the waters in order to save Israel's dearest founding myth from its own gross inconsistencies and blatant lies. Or in other words, 99% of your activities on this forum are about confusing as many lurkers & newbies as possible regarding the refutation of the Holohoax myth. Just Zionist damage control. That's crystal clear.

Not if you understood how historical and criminal investigations are normally conducted. Then you would see that my criticism of so-called revisionist methodology is crystal clear.

From the Holohoax case, I'd say that historical and criminal investigations are normally conducted by declaring from the outset that an alleged crime is a fact of common knowledge for which no proof will be required and a kangaroo court not "bound by technical rules of evidence" will just "take judicial notice" of it (articles 19 & 21 of the Nuremberg show trials charter).

That is not what happened. By 1945, there was already sufficient evidence to prove the Nazis had mass murdered millions of Jews, and others, in death camps, euthanasia hospitals and by mass shootings. The subsequent trials, were to establish individual responsibility in that crime. Those trials and the investigations leading up to them, uncovered even more evidence, to prove the original mass murder crime.