Let's talk about Chelmno...

[borjastick]

Chelmno the amazing disappearing death camp.

Many of those who visit this website and are holocaust experts will know that the holocaust claims are based on the intentional and planned mass murder of millions of jews in six locations - Auschwitz, Treblinka, Sobibor, Majdanek, Belzec and Chelmno.

But in recent years the claims have somewhat morphed or even been dropped in polite conversation. Majdanek has a reducing death claim plus some very obvious credibility claims as to the method and practicalities. Belzec isn't part of any ongoing discussion and that brings us to Chelmno, the amazing disappearing and perhaps deliberately dropped 'death camp'.

It is officially claimed that up to 350,000 jews were murdered there in gas vans which were filled with diesel fumes as they drove around thus causing a terrible death to those inside. Friedrich Berg who used to post regularly on the old site vigorously refuted such claims due to the non toxic nature of diesel fumes. As I understand it the 'camp' at Chelmno has literally disappeared and no evidence of any stature or credibility has ever been submitted to prove the claims. Scientifically and logistically it is farcical. Dalton in his book gives it just 8 pages simply because there's not much to say or discuss. Yet the 6m dead jews claim remains rock solid even though three of the six 'death camps' have been rubbished and Treblinka and Sobibor have been the subject of much derision and even laughter when the 'experts' try to add to the story.

I should add that like Treblinka the Chelmno fable includes the exhumation of 150,000 dead and rotting corpses which were then burned on open pyres for which there is no logistical record or evidence let alone ash mounds, excavated archeological investigations etc. Clearly Chelmno was anything but a 'death camp'.

[Keen]

It is officially claimed that up to 350,000 jews were murdered there

Good topic here.

Who uses the figure of 350,000?

[borjastick]

It is officially claimed that up to 350,000 jews were murdered there

Good topic here.

Who uses the figure of 350,000?

Page 94 of Dalton's book shows the following claimed figures by various 'experts' -
360k Gilbert 1981
up to 350k Laquer 2001
340k Dawidowicz 1986
320k Gutman 1990
250k Goldberg 2004
215k Benz 1991
over 150k Hilberg 2003
150k Van Pelt 2002
under 85k Pressac 2000
Table 12 Chelmno death estimates (jewish deaths only unless stated)

[Keen]

It is officially claimed that up to 350,000 jews were murdered there

Good topic here.

Who uses the figure of 350,000?

Page 94 of Dalton's book shows the following claimed figures by various 'experts' -
360k Gilbert 1981
up to 350k Laquer 2001
340k Dawidowicz 1986
320k Gutman 1990
250k Goldberg 2004
215k Benz 1991
over 150k Hilberg 2003
150k Van Pelt 2002
under 85k Pressac 2000
Table 12 Chelmno death estimates (jewish deaths only unless stated)

Thanks.

Yad Vasham alleges 300,000.

http://thisisaboutscience.com/

And they are all allegedly buried in 21 "huge mass graves."

https://postimg.cc/67TsMrwq

https://postimg.cc/wyfnL3nJ

That's an average of 14,286 per alleged "huge mass grave," with a total number of alleged teeth being 9.6 million.

That's an average of 457,143 teeth per alleged "huge mass grave."

[Wetzelrad]

I would like to know why the above numbers are any more credible than these contemporary findings by Polish and Jewish authorities.

WARSAW GOVERNMENT REPORTS 1,135,000 JEWS KILLED BY GERMANS IN CHELMNO "DEATH CAMP"

MOSCOW, June 14. (JTA) - The Polish Provisional Government in Warsaw today made public the results of its investigations of the Nazi “extermination camp” in Chelmno, near Kolo, in the Poznan district, revealing that at least 1,135,000 Jews from all parts of Europe were killed there by the Germans between 1940 when the camp was established and 1945 when the Red Army liberated the territory where the camp was located.

https://www.jta.org/archive/warsaw-gove ... death-camp

So Chelmno actually opened much earlier and it killed three times as many Jews as Holocaust deniers want you to believe. We also get this incredible detail. Jewish bone meal was used in construction, perhaps as cement.

These Nazis organized special brigades of enslaved workers whose job it was to make powder cut of human bones; the powder was then taken to the village of Zawadka, on the Warta River near Kolo, where it was used in building retainer walls.

Hence there is no need to go looking for the victims' remains.