The 'Holocaust' Narrative Shuts Down the Immune System of Nations

[Nessie]

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FACT 1:
Numerous Jewish collectives, working for numerous jewish-perceived self-interests, are widespread at all levels of society worldwide.

Correct. But that is the same with all national and religious groups. They all have collectives who variously work for their best interests. Furthermore, those collectives can contradict and compete with each other, as their best interests vary. Jews have all sorts of collectives, who do not align with each other. Some collectives are more successful than others and many aims fail. The main failure for Jewish interests in Europe, is and has been their safety and ability to live in peace, without risk of attack. They have also struggled to combat anti-Semitism.

[Stubble]

Some moar food for thought;

https://odysee.com/@louismarschalko:2/J ... eception:9



/shrug

[HansHill]

Jews as a collective clearly behave on the world stage in ways that other small ethnic groups do not. Consider; it would be practically impossible to find the same examples that CF, WS and Stubble have presented, belonging to Eskimos, Aboriginals, Pygmies, Gypsies or any other number of relatively small ethnic groups.

It's this "thing" (or series of things) that Jews do differently that creates such a reaction against their actions.

[Nessie]

Jews as a collective clearly behave on the world stage in ways that other small ethnic groups do not. Consider; it would be practically impossible to find the same examples that CF, WS and Stubble have presented, belonging to Eskimos, Aboriginals, Pygmies, Gypsies or any other number of relatively small ethnic groups.

It's this "thing" (or series of things) that Jews do differently that creates such a reaction against their actions.

Why do you not compare Jews to Muslims, Buddhists or one of the other major religions, that have access to wealth and are spread across countries?

[HansHill]

Jews as a collective clearly behave on the world stage in ways that other small ethnic groups do not. Consider; it would be practically impossible to find the same examples that CF, WS and Stubble have presented, belonging to Eskimos, Aboriginals, Pygmies, Gypsies or any other number of relatively small ethnic groups.

It's this "thing" (or series of things) that Jews do differently that creates such a reaction against their actions.

Why do you not compare Jews to Muslims, Buddhists or one of the other major religions, that have access to wealth and are spread across countries?

I see you didn't understand the analogy. I'm looking forward to seeing you rebut what you think the argument was.

[Nessie]

Jews as a collective clearly behave on the world stage in ways that other small ethnic groups do not. Consider; it would be practically impossible to find the same examples that CF, WS and Stubble have presented, belonging to Eskimos, Aboriginals, Pygmies, Gypsies or any other number of relatively small ethnic groups.

It's this "thing" (or series of things) that Jews do differently that creates such a reaction against their actions.

Why do you not compare Jews to Muslims, Buddhists or one of the other major religions, that have access to wealth and are spread across countries?

I see you didn't understand the analogy. I'm looking forward to seeing you rebut what you think the argument was.

Jews do not behave like "Eskimos, Aboriginals, Pygmies, Gypsies or any other number of relatively small ethnic groups". The reason for that, is they are not comparable to those groups. The main differences being Jews have far greater wealth than any of the other groups. They are also more of them, in more countries, they are less marginalised, more politically adept and better educated.

[HansHill]

Good. Then you agree that Jews' wealth, political machinations, influence in academia amongst other disciplines, allows them to behave in ways that are not afforded to other ethnic groups.

Thank you Nessie, I am finished with you now.

[Nessie]

Good. Then you agree that Jews' wealth, political machinations, influence in academia amongst other disciplines, allows them to behave in ways that are not afforded to other ethnic groups.

Thank you Nessie, I am finished with you now.

That applies difference in influence applies to all groups, and groups within groups. You single out Jews, as if what they do is wrong, when others do the same things.

[Cowboy]

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I rightly criticize any foreign influence that is occurring in our political system, but more often than not it seems to always be coming from Jews...

If you concentrate hard enough, it will appear that way. Your President is very influenced by Putin.

How much military aid is the US giving to Russia?
How much money does the GOP/DEM take from Russian lobbying?
How many times has the US government condemned anti-Russian sentiment?
How many times has Putin visited the White House this year?
How many times have social media platforms cracked down on anti-Russian sentiment?
How many Russians are heads of media companies, big businesses, talent agencies, etc., in America?

Trump has been directly supplying weapons and aid to Ukraine, which Russia is fighting, to prevent Russia from expanding its sphere of influence towards NATO territory.

The whataboutism is strong with this one.

[Callafangers]

Just for any of our potential visitors'/readers' sake, I feel it important to clarify a few things:

• The evidence discussed in this thread has for a long time been avoided because of its sensitive nature, even in as bold a setting as a Holocaust revisionist forum. Given the breadth of accurate, important information now available, I have felt the time is appropriate to at least touch on these important details, given relevance to understanding of the 'Holocaust' and its impact.
• What is being discussed here in general is not 'antisemitism' in that it does not have dislike or resentment of Jews as its core motivator. Proposals to mistreat or abuse Jews as a collective will not be tolerated here.
• The broader topic being discussed here is how the 'Holocaust' narrative is used as the key weapon which makes nations especially susceptible -- in this last century more than ever -- to certain kinds of organized subversion, especially Jewish (given Jews as the central 'victims' of this narrative).
• Overall, due to the sensitive nature of the topic, members are expected to use reasonable tact and good judgement in posting on this thread.

[Nessie]

....

I rightly criticize any foreign influence that is occurring in our political system, but more often than not it seems to always be coming from Jews...

If you concentrate hard enough, it will appear that way. Your President is very influenced by Putin.

How much military aid is the US giving to Russia?
How much money does the GOP/DEM take from Russian lobbying?
How many times has the US government condemned anti-Russian sentiment?
How many times has Putin visited the White House this year?
How many times have social media platforms cracked down on anti-Russian sentiment?
How many Russians are heads of media companies, big businesses, talent agencies, etc., in America?

Trump has been directly supplying weapons and aid to Ukraine, which Russia is fighting, to prevent Russia from expanding its sphere of influence towards NATO territory.

The whataboutism is strong with this one.

You miss out how much pressure Trump has put on Ukraine and how he has failed to impose and ensure sanctions on Russia. For you, criticism is to be aimed at Jews, but others get a pass.

[Nessie]

Just for any of our potential visitors'/readers' sake, I feel it important to clarify a few things:

• The evidence discussed in this thread has for a long time been avoided because of its sensitive nature, even in as bold a setting as a Holocaust revisionist forum. Given the breadth of accurate, important information now available, I have felt the time is appropriate to at least touch on these important details, given relevance to understanding of the 'Holocaust' and its impact.
• What is being discussed here in general is not 'antisemitism' in that it does not have dislike or resentment of Jews as its core motivator. Proposals to mistreat or abuse Jews as a collective will not be tolerated here.
• The broader topic being discussed here is how the 'Holocaust' narrative is used as the key weapon which makes nations especially susceptible -- in this last century more than ever -- to certain kinds of organized subversion, especially Jewish (given Jews as the central 'victims' of this narrative).
• Overall, due to the sensitive nature of the topic, members are expected to use reasonable tact and good judgement in posting on this thread.

Holocaust denial/revisionism is anti-Semitic as belief key parts of the Holocaust have been hoaxed, requires belief in anti-Semitic tropes of all powerful, money grabbing, dishonest Jews working as a collective in Jewish, over national interest.

[Callafangers]

Holocaust denial/revisionism is anti-Semitic as belief key parts of the Holocaust have been hoaxed, requires belief in anti-Semitic tropes of all powerful, money grabbing, dishonest Jews working as a collective in Jewish, over national interest.

There is so much wrong with your assessment here:

• "anti-Semitic tropes" - Being a "trope" is irrelevant since this label has nothing to do with truth vs. falsehood. Being "anti-Semitic" also necessitates that the motive is irrational hatred, above all else. But this is something you have not proven (because it isn't true), not by a long shot.
• "all powerful" - Nobody claimed Jews are "all powerful"; quite the contrary, some here have explained the mechanisms of power certain Jewish groups use. This measured analysis clearly implies some limitations and framework to the power being described.
• "money grabbing" - This is your desperate attempt to portray some insulting rhetoric as the focus of presentation here, which it isn't. The question of Jews and their networks "grabbing money" has hardly been addressed here at all, even though many Jews are proud to admit their intense communal focus on "managing money", as they would put it.
• "dishonest Jews" - Some Jews are dishonest, others are not. Influential institutions which Jews have had disproportionate control are frequently regarded as being of less integrity, with prime examples like media and finance. Many more specific and relevant examples have been provided in this thread alone, not just anecdotal (e.g. the data on Israel-Palestine reporting shared earlier). Here is a massive study on Jewish networks in the USA, with numerous examples and admissions of dishonest activity: https://archive.org/stream/WhenVictimsR ... a_djvu.txt
• "working as a collective" - There are Jewish federations all across North America and globally. There are NGOs and special interest groups on every conceivable matter of social importance to Jews. The Zionist lobby is unmatched. The weight of these organizations far outweighs that of any other group, especially accounting per capita. There is no question that Jews work as a collective.
• "over national interest" - There are far more instances of Jews organizing en masse for Jewish benefit (often framed as for national benefit, such as the anti-German boycotts of the 1930s) than there are of Jews organizing for national interests exclusively (with no apparent benefit for Jews). Given that things like the War on Terror (rang in by Jewish neocons and Jewish-owned media outlets) have been good for Jews/Israel, there is valid reason to infer some Jews and their organizations may indeed put Jewish interests first. For you to feign incredulity about this is ridiculous.

You are a clown.

[Nessie]

Holocaust denial/revisionism is anti-Semitic as belief key parts of the Holocaust have been hoaxed, requires belief in anti-Semitic tropes of all powerful, money grabbing, dishonest Jews working as a collective in Jewish, over national interest.

There is so much wrong with your assessment here:

• "anti-Semitic tropes" - Being a "trope" is irrelevant since this label has nothing to do with truth vs. falsehood. Being "anti-Semitic" also necessitates that the motive is irrational hatred, above all else. But this is something you have not proven (because it isn't true), not by a long shot.
• "all powerful" - Nobody claimed Jews are "all powerful"; quite the contrary, some here have explained the mechanisms of power certain Jewish groups use. This measured analysis clearly implies some limitations and framework to the power being described.
• "money grabbing" - This is your desperate attempt to portray some insulting rhetoric as the focus of presentation here, which it isn't. The question of Jews and their networks "grabbing money" has hardly been addressed here at all, even though many Jews are proud to admit their intense communal focus on "managing money", as they would put it.
• "dishonest Jews" - Some Jews are dishonest, others are not. Influential institutions which Jews have had disproportionate control are frequently regarded as being of less integrity, with prime examples like media and finance. Many more specific and relevant examples have been provided in this thread alone, not just anecdotal (e.g. the data on Israel-Palestine reporting shared earlier). Here is a massive study on Jewish networks in the USA, with numerous examples and admissions of dishonest activity: https://archive.org/stream/WhenVictimsR ... a_djvu.txt
• "working as a collective" - There are Jewish federations all across North America and globally. There are NGOs and special interest groups on every conceivable matter of social importance to Jews. The Zionist lobby is unmatched. The weight of these organizations far outweighs that of any other group, especially accounting per capita. There is no question that Jews work as a collective.
• "over national interest" - There are far more instances of Jews organizing en masse for Jewish benefit (often framed as for national benefit, such as the anti-German boycotts of the 1930s) than there are of Jews organizing for national interests exclusively (with no apparent benefit for Jews). Given that things like the War on Terror (rang in by Jewish neocons and Jewish-owned media outlets) have been good for Jews/Israel, there is valid reason to infer some Jews and their organizations may indeed put Jewish interests first. For you to feign incredulity about this is ridiculous.

You are a clown.

Do you admit that the Holocaust is not a Jewish hoax and it did take place, including the mass gassings and shootings of millions?

[Callafangers]

Do you admit that the Holocaust is not a Jewish hoax and it did take place, including the mass gassings and shootings of millions?

The 'Holocaust' tale is not only a "Jewish hoax". But it is partly so.