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June 1934 Adolf Hitler approves the executions of 6 people with a 7th Ernst Rohm being added by Herman Goring. Through a complex series of events, the list grows to an unknown number with 85 seemingly the credibly agreed upon lower limit. This was the Night Of The Long Knives.

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Of the 85 confirmed executions, the most noteworthy are:

- Previous Chancellor and Reichswehr General, Kurt Von Schleicher (KVS)
- Ernst Rohm (ER) leader of the SA
- Gregor Strasser (GS)

KVS was predecessor to AH as Chancellor. In the July 32 election the NSDAP won 37% a large majority in the Reichstag, with AH seeking Chancellorship. KVS attempted to create a coalition which would split the NSDAP with himself as Chancellor.

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More ominously KVS (and his co-conspirators) was central to the coup plot of 1934, whereby the Chancellor would be assassinated and the government overthrown. Knowledge of this coup was shared with (at least) one French official.

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Foreknowledge of the coup seemingly influenced French foreign policy in their negotiations with Germany, constituting High Treason on the part of KVS. The credibility of these details is underscored by two French historians Jacques Benoist-Méchin and J.B. Duroselle

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The mainstream seek to deny this. Wikipedia inaccurately claims the coup was fabricated giving two sources. The 1st source infact, says it was indeed credible, KVS had regular contact with the diplomat, and falls short of highlighting what exactly, was the fabrication

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Bizarrely the 2nd source bases its denial of the coup squarely on the fact that Karl Ernst was due to go on his honeymoon. I cant link these sources due to copyright; they are easily found on libgen-dot-rs for review Note – Wikipedia accurate as of 24/04/2023

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Ernst Rohm (ER) wished to overthrow the Reichswehr and dispense with the hundred year old Prussian military tradition, replace it with his own SA with himself in command. This was to “continue the revolution” and alienated most Germans

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To understand the credibility and scope of what such a revolt would entail, its important we understand a similar revolt just 4 years prior, and how this originated and was resolved by AH. This was the Stennes Revolt of 1930-31.

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In AH’s view the SA was a non-professional security apparatus, with strictly political objectives which include providing security for NSDAP rallies, events and campaigns. This revolt sought to overturn the SA’s role, displacing the Prussian military model.

AH issued a decree making the SA subordinate to the NSDAP party, and Stennes was expelled. AH’s peaceful handling of the Stennes revolt was widely acclaimed as model leadership and instilled confidence. However, the same goals would be sought again by ER in 1934.

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The specifics of the mobilisation of ER’s planned coup, and initial moves by AH are relayed to us by French historian Jacques Benoist-Menchin. With the coup imminent, AH personally travels to arrest ER before his coup can commence

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Gregor Strasser (GS) and brother Otto Strasser (OS) represented the left-leaning wing of the NSDAP, this philosophy has come to be known as National Bolshevism, or Strasserism. He also published the newspaper Nationaler Sozialist, with AH later shutting his paper down for being too extreme and left the NSDAP. In 1931, he led the Stennes Revolt in an advisory position.

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After leaving the NSDAP, he created the Black Front movement, which would later attempt another assassination attempt on the Chancellor – with the Jew Helmut Hirsch being the designated assassin.

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GS was involved in KVS’s plot to split the NSDAP and was offered Ministry of Economics under KVS as Chancellor, and was fired from the NSDAP for attempting to split the party. In 1933, when the NSDAP attained power OS fled Germany and GS retired from politics. GS name did not appear on the original 7, and it is unclear as to how he was added. Some historians (Rosenberg/Irving) suggest GS was added by Goring, in light of his brother Otto having fled and also a credible threat to National Security.

Ultimately however, it was his role in the coup plot to overthrow the government and assassinate the Chancellor, and inherit the Ministry of National Economy, as the reason for his execution.

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Much has been said about the extrajudicial nature of the executions, however it must be noted that President Hindenburg specifically threatened Martial Law if AH could not maintain civility in Germany.

In the final analysis, AH’s resolution of the coup and securing the Nation was roundly supported and admired. In one of his last acts in office, President Hindenburg immediately issued a decree confirming the legality of the NSDAPs actions.

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Sources

C.J. Miller – In His Own Words
Leon Degrelle – Hitler Democrat
Jacques Benoist-Menchin - Histoire de l'armée allemande
J.B. Duroselle – Histoire Diplomatique de 1919 a nos jours
Colin Jordan – National Socialism, Vanguard of the Future
John W. Wheeler – The Nemesis Of Power
Erik Larson – In the Garden of Beasts
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HansHill wrote: Tue Dec 17, 2024 11:49 am Primer on Night of the Long Knives // Stennes Revolt

June 1934 Adolf Hitler approves the executions of 6 people with a 7th Ernst Rohm being added by Herman Goring. Through a complex series of events, the list grows to an unknown number with 85 seemingly the credibly agreed upon lower limit. This was the Night Of The Long Knives.
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No, that is not what is meant by "Night of the long Knives'... They didn't have such a code name. "Knight of the long Knives" actually refers to what Roehm and others were planning to do. But since main stream historiography doesn't really bother with the facts people think that it refers to the crushing of the revolt... Which was actually a real thing and not something Hitler sucked out of his thumb.
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Thanks for the input - I wasn't aware of the Night / Knight pun on words, that's fascinating.

NOTLKs is still used colloquially to modern audiences, although I can appreciate that codename was never actually used by the actors at the time, it still seems relevant to call it by its colloquially understood name. Also yes, i'm aware the Roehm coup plot was very real, in fact i make specific arguments to it being a very credible threat!
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Oh, I correct that one. That pun wasn't intended. In English the difference between Night / Knight is marginal and nuance in German it's Nacht / Ritter and hence clear.

My point is:
1. That "Night of the long Knives" wasn't the name given to the purge by Hitler or other NS-leaders.
2. That it apparently was the name of the actions those intending to go into revolt gave to their plan.

Hitler wrote:Das heißt, während die Mitglieder der inneren Sekte die eigentliche Aktion planmäßig vorbereiteten, wurden dem weit größeren Kreis der SA-Führer nur allgemeine Mitteilungen gemacht des Inhalts, daß eine zweite Revolution vor der Tür stünde, daß diese zweite Revolution kein anderes Ziel besitze als mir selbst die Handlungsfreiheit zurückzugeben. Daß daher die neue und diesmal blutige Erhebung die „Nacht der langen Messer“, wie man sie grauenvoll bezeichnete, meinem eigenen Sinn entspräche. Die Notwendigkeit des eigenen Vorgehens der SA wurde begründet mit dem Hinweis weiter auf meine Entschlußunfähigkeit, die erst dann behoben sein würde, wenn Tatsachen geschaffen wären.
Hitler assigns the name to the revolt not to the purge he ordered.
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Thanks for clarifying, i understand you now.

Yes that makes sense for that name to never have been used for the purge. That said however, to modern audiences, it certainly has come to be that the purge itself has been known as NOTLK. For completeness in future I'll include that, as it's certainly an interesting point how the name developed.
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Colin Cross, in his book, Adolf Hitler, makes the following interesting claim about the killing of Schleicher.
Among the first victims was Gregor Strasser (a rival whom Hitler might always bring back into favour) and General von Schleicher, Hitler's predecessor as chancellor (shot by mistake--it had been intended only to arrest him). Some of the executed died shouting, 'Hail Hitler!' in the belief that the regime, to which they were faithful, was being overthrown.
It's unclear what Cross's source is for this. But I cross-checked it with Irving and it does not appear to be true.
‘Drawing blood,’ recorded Goebbels with approval. ‘Got to realise that mutiny costs them their neck. I agree with this. If do it you must, then ruthlessly. Proofs that Röhm was conspiring with François-Poncet, Schleicher, and Strasser. So, action!’ he added, in this previously unpublished diary. ‘After reaching his decision, the Führer is very calm.
At Potsdam, a gang of men burst into General Schleicher’s house and gunned him down at his desk; his wife, who got in the gunmen’s way, was also shot. Ironically, Göring’s Forschungsamt was still tapping Schleicher’s phone; when homicide detectives from the Potsdam prosecutor’s office telephoned the justice ministry from the house, to report that Schleicher was evidently the victim of a ‘political assassination,’ Göring angrily contradicted them – the official version would, he said, be quite different. General von Bredow also met a sticky end, as did some of Papen’s staff, including his secretary the controversial Dr. Edgar Jung.
Göring now revealed, to Hitler’s quiet dismay, that he had arbitrarily added several other names to the hit-list. ‘Göring reports that all went to plan in Berlin,’ recorded Goebbels that day. ‘Only cock-up: Mrs Schleicher bought it too. Tough, but can’t be helped.’
https://www.unz.com/book/david_irving__ ... ar/#p_6_89

Based on these Goebbel's diary entries, I think we can be confident that the killing of Schleicher was planned but probably not the killing of the wife.
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Archie wrote: Tue Sep 23, 2025 1:35 am Based on these Goebbel's diary entries, I think we can be confident that the killing of Schleicher was planned but probably not the killing of the wife.
Agreed, this is my belief too, based on all I have researched. It can be said that 7 executions were planned, but the confirmed death count of 85 seems to be because of the messiness and chaos of the arrests.
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HansHill wrote: Tue Sep 23, 2025 9:41 am
Archie wrote: Tue Sep 23, 2025 1:35 am Based on these Goebbel's diary entries, I think we can be confident that the killing of Schleicher was planned but probably not the killing of the wife.
Agreed, this is my belief too, based on all I have researched. It can be said that 7 executions were planned, but the confirmed death count of 85 seems to be because of the messiness and chaos of the arrests.
I suppose the whole affair went over a bit chaotic and dilletantic. Not well planned, but probably a reaction to the coup threat and the more turbulent first year of NS-rule.
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Thank you for this excellent resource. Operation Kolibri resulted in the demise of the Sturmabteilung with the rise of the Schutzstaffel; it also resulted in a division of National Socialist ideology. The Sturmabteilung were disimpowered instantly with the resultant rise of Hitlerism, a personality cult different to the labour party ideals of national socialism. The Strasser brothers formed an alternative to Hitlerism which still exists today from my understanding.

Strasserism emphasized revolutionary nationalism, anti-capitalism, economic antisemitism that was deeply rooted in völkisch concepts of racial purity and segregation, and opposition to both Marxist socialism and Hitlerite Nazism.

I have not read your article but I will tomorrow.
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