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Wspomnienia dawne i nowe does not appear to be available in a digital format.

Some things I have gleaned from 'the usual sources';

http://www.deathcamps.org/treblinka/zabecki.html
"Our astonishment was immense," Zabecki commented. "We wondered what sort of settlers they were, where they were going to live and what they were going to do? We connected this news with the mysterious building in the forest."
Zabecki continued:
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... becki.html
The camp burned until 18:00. Many Jews, not knowing the region, stayed in the vicinity. They were captured, taken to the camp or bestially killed on the spot. The Germans issued a decree to the Polish inhabitants, stating that anybody offering help to the Jews would be punished by death.
https://zapisyterroru.pl/dlibra/publica ... diBmYTtldw
On 21 December 1945 in Treblinka, judge Z. Łukaszkiewicz interviewed the person named below as an unsworn witness. Having been advised of the criminal liability for giving false testimony, the witness testified as follows:
Franciszek Zabecki may need his own thread at this point.
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Thank you Stubble! Well I was admiring yours and others insights on this thread so had to chime in!

The address in the beginning of A Year in Treblinka is the address to the Jewish Forward Magazine. 175 E. Broadway. I don't know if that means anything. It was a leftist paper so there's that connection. Maybe they rented floors to others. Or the "General Jewish Workers Union of Poland" was a cover for straight-up propaganda with help from Forward.

Regarding the 1930's Polish newspapers, and that they didn't arrest Wiernik. Could it be because he wasn't there but his name was on the papers in the typewriter with the carbon copy sheets?

Also Year in Treblinka was the framework for all the Treblinka stories. Other writers try to write a story within that story. Ie a spinoff.

Stubble mentioned Rokhl Auerbach in this thread. Rachel Auerbach. Who became a Yad Vashem employee I believe. Why did you mention her? She wasn't in the papers from the 30's was she?
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Denierbud wrote: Tue Sep 30, 2025 2:24 am Thank you Stubble! Well I was admiring yours and others insights on this thread so had to chime in!

The address in the beginning of A Year in Treblinka is the address to the Jewish Forward Magazine. 175 E. Broadway. I don't know if that means anything. It was a leftist paper so there's that connection. Maybe they rented floors to others. Or the "General Jewish Workers Union of Poland" was a cover for straight-up propaganda with help from Forward.

Regarding the 1930's Polish newspapers, and that they didn't arrest Wiernik. Could it be because he wasn't there but his name was on the papers in the typewriter with the carbon copy sheets?

Also Year in Treblinka was the framework for all the Treblinka stories. Other writers try to write a story within that story. Ie a spinoff.

Stubble mentioned Rokhl Auerbach in this thread. Rachel Auerbach. Who became a Yad Vashem employee I believe. Why did you mention her? She wasn't in the papers from the 30's was she?
I mentioned her because I figured there was overlap between her cell or circle and Wernick's cell or circle, likely through 'abraham'. I'd like to tie the whole atrocity propaganda industry together neatly if I can find a shoe that size, you know?

A guy did a video on her recently and it was fresh in my mind as well.

For posterity, the video;

https://odysee.com/@unveilingshadowsech ... survivor:f

Unfortunately, I can't find an embeddable link to share here.

Basically, she was also an atrocity propagandist and collated atrocity stories.
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Hi Dean, great seeing you here. Just wanted to say your documentaries were very eye opening for me, especially "One Third of the holocaust" and "Dumb Dumb portrayal of evil", and I have sent them to many many friends and family.

Re images, if the image is hosted somewhere else you can simply get the raw url and place it between two tags as follows to embed it:

[img.]URL HERE[/img.]

Just remove the two dots! Looking forward to future discussions with you!
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Thank you for the kind words HansHill! And for the tip. Postimages wasn't working yesterday but is today.

Stubble wrote on Rachel Auerbach
I mentioned her because I figured there was overlap between her cell or circle and Wiernick's cell or circle, likely through 'abraham'. I'd like to tie the whole atrocity propaganda industry together neatly if I can find a shoe that size, you know?
I think that's the case. I believe she probably wrote The Stroop Report but I don't want to get too far afield. It was a left wing group that was communist and Zionist and had connections to the Warsaw art scene. Look at Adolf Berman's brother: one of 3 people to run post-war Stalinist Poland.

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Above. This is the picture in Donat's book, page 282 of "Engineer Galewski." Because Wiernik never mentioned his first name, that might be why no one else could either. Donat (who isn't honest in his own holocaust memoir but that's another story) writes "The photo we print was received from S. Willenberg (Israel). It's authenticity can't be verified so far." But Willenberg was supposedly in the camp and saw Galewski with his own eyes.

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Above: Galewski the art director. He looks like the same person? But older and thinner?

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Above, the art director Galewski.

I guess the assertion here is Krzywoszewski wrote "A Year in Treblinka" and added stuff from recent movies and names of his friends and that got blurred even with supposed Treblinka survivors? I don't know what it means but the "owner of a metal products factory" being the clown in A Year in Treblinka; and the owner of a metal products factory clowning around in Sportowiec Mimo Woli is too coincidental.

Another point is that from the story, Krzywoszewski and Wiernik were very close. Afterall Krzywoszewki helped him when he escaped. But at the Eichmann trial Wiernik mistakes him for another writer. It could be the translator screwed up, or it could be they never really knew each other, and Wiernik slipped up and mentioned another leftist art person:

Stefan Przybyszewski pseud. Józef, Władek (ur. 29 października 1903 w Krzywym Błocie koło Włocławka lub we Włocławku, zm. 21 kwietnia 1943 w Łodzi) – działacz komunistyczny.

Judge Halevi asks Wiernik: Did you join the underground?
Witness Wiernik: In Treblinka? Certainly. I was the liaison between the one camp and the other.
Q. I mean after the escape - which underground did you join after the escape?

(The judge is assuming that if you escape a deathcamp, that you'd then join up with partisans in the woods and fight for your people. But he's in for a surprise. )

The judge asks "which underground did you join after the escape)
Wiernik. After I escaped, I came to Warsaw. I had a Christian acquaintance, and I went to him - he was a writer named Stefan Przibishevski.
The attorney general steps in to try and answer for Wiernik: I am aware of these matters. This will undoubtedly help the witness. He has a certificate from the Polish Armia Ludowa, of which he was a member. And that will clarify the situation. If the Court is interested, he can hand it in.
Judge Halevi: I understood that you made your sketch during that period?
Attorney General: He has a certificate. It will immediately explain to which underground he belonged.
Witness Wiernik: I worked for the Warsaw municipality after my return.
Attorney General: The underground pseudonym of the witness appears there, as well as his real name, in order to certify that he was a member of the Polish People's Army, the Armia Ludowa.
Judge Halevi: [to witness] When you were a member of the Armia Ludowa, was it then that you drew this sketch?
Witness Wiernik: I prepared it when I was working in Warsaw in the Tashitza Palace. The SS was there on the one side, and I was a night watchman against air attacks - I also have a certificate about that. I used to sit there at night. Nobody disturbed me, and I gradually made that sketch.

Notice that escaping a death camp and casually writing a creative-writing account, is absurd, since one should have joined the underground and fought. And the attorney general tries to cover for this above. LOL.
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I think it is important but missed that Wernick was in charge of a cell in Warsaw and was submitting his payment 'books' to Berman who later submitted them to the GFH along with the handwritten copy of 'A Year in Treblinka' and some other bits and bobs.

Perhaps the names of the members Wernick was paying would be worth going over again. I'll see if I can find the link again up thread.

https://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh/noteb ... item=14273
https://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh/noteb ... item=59052
(Links courtesy of Wetzelrad, given on page 2)

Also, that's obviously the same Galewski.

Wernick slipping on the stand like that is hilarious. It isn't Zundel trial minutes funny (that whole trial was a riot), but, I did laugh some.

Also on page 2 of the thread there is reference to some 'verbiage' that carries over from the earlier 'reports' to A Year in Treblinka pointed out by Wetzelrad indicating that all of them were penned by the same person. I suspect the rough draft came from Wernick. There is talk about it taking a number of people to 'finalize' A Year in Treblinka before it went to print.
Wetzelrad wrote: Thu Sep 18, 2025 11:18 pm From September 1, 1944:
Our delegation in London recently received a new authentic report from the Underground Jewish Labor Movement of Poland, which covers events up to the end of May, 1944.
JANKEL WIERNIK ARTISAN ACTIVE IN BUND'S SELF-DEFENSE ORGANIZATION IN TSARIST RUSSIA WAS ONE YEAR TREBLINKA ESCAPED AFTER REVOLT WROTE BOOK-ONE YEAR IN TREBLINKA-EDITED 1944 BY COORDINATION COMMITTEE JEWISH WORKERS UNION AND JEWISH NATIONAL COMMITTEE STOP
Apparently it took two Jewish committees to edit Wiernik's book. This may explain where the flowery language comes from, if not much more.
Oh, and with Wiernick's papers, the jury is still out if they were authentically issued via proper channels with a false name (putting him in Warsaw before the revolt), or if they are indeed funny papers. Forgeries appear to be more crude.
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Are there any ID documents showing Wiernik actually used the name Kowalczyk?

GFH has his June 1, 1943 ID card and his April 30, 1944 Night Watchman card under the name Smarzynski, both issued in Warsaw.

Also, in his memoirs, Zabecki claims to have met and spoken with Wiernik while Wiernik was a prisoner of Treblinka.

The Polish underground was planning an attack/breakout on T-II in Spring 1943, but it was either canceled or botched. This lines up better with the earlier revolt date of May 28 from one anonymous report.

This article "The military action of the Home Army during the rebellion in the camp of Treblinka II in August 1943 – a pre-research survey" has a lot of good information on the activities of the Polish Home Army around Treblinka in Spring-Fall 1943. Only one report mentions a revolt in the camp in August, and the Poles had basically no role in it.
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Denierbud wrote: Wed Oct 01, 2025 4:14 am
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Above. This is the picture in Donat's book, page 282 of "Engineer Galewski." Because Wiernik never mentioned his first name, that might be why no one else could either. Donat (who isn't honest in his own holocaust memoir but that's another story) writes "The photo we print was received from S. Willenberg (Israel). It's authenticity can't be verified so far." But Willenberg was supposedly in the camp and saw Galewski with his own eyes.
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This looks like the full photo. Any idea who the other two people are?
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If that's Auerbach in the middle, I'm going to laugh, so hard.

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Undated picture

Some of her 'work'
she composed two long essays respectively entitled “They Called it Deportation” (about the “Great Deportation” from the Warsaw Ghetto in the summer of 1942) and “Together with the People” (about the Jewish writers, artists and cultural activists in Warsaw). Widely circulated in underground circles, these form the basis of some of her postwar publications.
https://jwa.org/encyclopedia/article/auerbakh-rokhl

She also apparently wrote something called 'Two Years in the Ghetto', I suppose good titles were hard to make back then. Originality is dead and whatnot.

Also, S. Willenberg made the bronze of the shitmaster, for what that's worth.

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Stubble wrote:
Also, S. Willenberg made the bronze of the shitmaster, for what that's worth.
Willenberg and daughter Orit Giladi dined on the holocaust myth for the rest of their lives.

Pilgimofdark: Nice find of the larger photo. What did the site where you found it say on who they were?

From some of this other evidence here: Wiernik paying people, it's like he could have been a Comintern agent or something. If you were to take the USSR and Germany out of the equation, Poland was having it's own conflict/civil war with communism just like Spain. (And Greece, France, Italy et al) Those Polish 1935 newspaper articles from Pilgrimofdark, showed that. Who knows what happened to those 1930's anti-communists in Poland after WWII. Berman's brother probably hunted them down. A Polish independence movement that was anticommunist, pro-Catholic and anti-German, anti-USSR.
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Denierbud wrote: Thu Oct 02, 2025 3:59 am Pilgimofdark: Nice find of the larger photo. What did the site where you found it say on who they were?
It's on USHMM. "Alfred Galewski (left), an engineer by training and leader of the Treblinka camp uprising, walks through the snow in Zakopane before the war."
https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1179514

It has no description beyond that, but I find it a bit strange that it comes from a collection of Willenberg family photos. Every other photo in that collection is of a Willenberg.
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Wetzelrad wrote: Thu Oct 02, 2025 7:58 am
Denierbud wrote: Thu Oct 02, 2025 3:59 am Pilgimofdark: Nice find of the larger photo. What did the site where you found it say on who they were?
It's on USHMM. "Alfred Galewski (left), an engineer by training and leader of the Treblinka camp uprising, walks through the snow in Zakopane before the war."
https://collections.ushmm.org/search/catalog/pa1179514

It has no description beyond that, but I find it a bit strange that it comes from a collection of Willenberg family photos. Every other photo in that collection is of a Willenberg.
I first found it in Michel Wojcik's book Treblinka 43: Bunt w fabryce smierci, but they reference the USHMM.

Caption from Treblinka 43:
Engineer Marceli Galewski (first from the left) served as a "camp elder" at Treblinka II. Most witnesses see him as the leader of the organizing committee preparing the uprising.

Inżynier Marceli Galewski (pierwszy z lewej) pełnił w Treblince II funkcję „starszego obozu”. Większość świadków to w nim widzi przywódcę komitetu organizacyjnego przygotowującego powstanie.
Engineer Galewski had to be written out of the script so he could reemerge as Warsaw's Top Set Decorator, I guess.
We don't know in which direction they ran. Perelsztejn only wrote that they made it into the surrounding forests. These, as we know, were everywhere. "Unfortunately, after several kilometers of escape, his nerves failed him, and before my eyes he took some poison from his pocket, swallowed it, and died instantly."

This is the last memory of this heroic man. Did Galewski choose death because the noose of the manhunt was tightening, because he believed they had no chance? Perelsztejn wrote nothing about it. At least he managed to preserve his memory. The last sentence in his story was written by Stanisław Kon.
Willenberg also has a Kennkarte dated 28 January 1943, a few months after he was deported to Treblinka. Link
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He looks too stylish to be an engineer. I've never seen an engineer dress like that. Too bad we don't have a lot of Polish people into holocaust denial. My guess, just a far out guess, is these are some people walking off an outdoor movie set. It could be Sportowiec Mimo Woli which has a big skiing part, the main part is skiing if I remember. But then the postwar pictures of Galewski have him way older and thinner, but maybe the war was so bad (or a labor camp) it did that to him. The photo is dated 1939 which is when Sportowiec Mimo Woli came out. It could be that the other two people are actors in a movie, and that a historical Polish film buff, could recognize them. What also fits into that is the two people on the right aren't even aware a photo is being taken of them, which would fit for movie people, possibly famous people. I own the movie. I should rewatch it.

https://filmpolski.pl/fp/index.php?foto ... eria=25618

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If you send me a copy, I'll watch it for you and buy you a beer.

You drink that Mexican skunk brew, right?

Edit;

Oddly, I appear to have found it in color on YouTube;



So, no need for a copy.

I still owe you at least a beer though.
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