Undeserved reply to CJ on population statistics

[Callafangers]

The vast majority of Jewish survivors went to a small number of countries and while it is true, that some Jews changed their names and identities, you'd have to believe that millions did to account for the decline in the census which is an absolutely wild assumption.

Wrong again, CluelessJew. Jews simply had to be in places where censuses were not comprehensive, did not classify "Jew" according to ethnicity vs. religion (non-religious Jews not being counted), had Jews hiding their identity out of fear or desire not to be counted (for whatever reason), etc. There are countless Jewish 'survivors' who admit to doubting or losing their religious faith due to the events of WW2. There are countless others who were fearful of 'antisemitism'.

There is also the issue of displaced or 'hidden' Jewish children (assimilated into non-Jewish homes) never knowing their identities to begin with, but whom you'd still count.

Let's add these up:

• 'Missing' Jews who actually didn't survive, either due to executions, wartime conditions, disease, etc.
• Jews not captured by censuses due to low census quality or availability
• Non-religious Jews not documenting themselves as Jewish
• Jews having changed to a non-Jewish identity
• Jews otherwise not wishing to be counted as such
• Relative difference to probable over-counting pre-war (e.g. half-Jews considered as Jews, misaccounting birth rates, etc.)

What's the possible tally for each of these? Can we average, say, just shy of a million or so for each? That puts us right up against '6 million', CluelessJew. Oy vey...

Altogether, especially when accounting for deliberate fudging of numbers by powerful Zionist and Allied organizations, we can very easily reach well-into the millions, here (and revisionists don't deny many died during the war, even with no 'Holocaust').

Your claim of 'missing Jews' as evidence of those 'Holocausted' is smoke and mirrors, and a weak distraction from your inability to show millions of Jewish corpses or a murder weapon, despite these being a typical requirement in murder investigations, especially for not just one but a series (alleged millions) of murders.

If there was no Holocaust, there really would be minimal reason for Jews to change their name so that explanation is very weak.

Sadly, this is yet another embarrassing take from our resident Clueless Jew. Jews had every reason to fear persecution post-WW2. Even without 'gassing' stories, they had just been persecuted, dispossessed and imprisoned for years, put through hell across multiple nations. That's plenty of reason to run and hide.

Historians reviewed displaced persons camp logs, files from Jewish aid organizations like HIAS and the Joint Distribution Committee, and local Jewish community registries in the receiving countries. By comparing those with official immigration data and later community population counts, you can reconstruct reasonably accurate figures even if the individuals were not labeled as Jewish in government documents.

Yes, they reviewed what they had, not what they hadn't. And the "Jewish aid organizations" you mention often had a Zionist slant (highly-motivated to exaggerate the Jewish tragedy) and could not be regarded as independent sources, in any case, for very obvious [motivated] reasons.

(For anyone in doubt about the pattern of lies inherent in Zionism and Jewish organizational initiatives, see examples/patterns here: https://ifamericansknew.org/

Also here: https://archive.org/stream/WhenVictimsR ... a_djvu.txt)

The "immigration data and later community population counts" you mention have also already been debunked as valid representations (Jews not dependably counted as such; listed earlier/above).

Yes I am making an assumption that way less than 6 million Jews went "undocumented".

Yes, this is correct -- you are making an assumption, not drawing a valid conclusion from veritable evidence. This is the most truthful statement you have ever said at the CODOH forum.

In reality, you are assuming that about 6 million Jews (2/3 of the number that lived in Europe before the war) changed their identities after the war. I think that's a completely ridiculous assumption but if you think that's true you can try to explain to me how that happened and we can debate it out.

You are affirming the consequent (a fallacy) that "6 million Jews" are actually missing or have been accurately recorded as such -- this has not been established, as your inability to ChatGPT your way to success here has made abundantly clear. You have failed yet again, CluelessJew, as has happened in every other argument you have made at this forum.

One day, you will look back at your activities on this forum and realize that you have done far more to advance Holocaust Denial than any of us deniers could have done independently.

Thank you for showing the world just how weak claims of the 'Holocaust' truly are.

[Callafangers]

I should add that Jews have not just changed their names (or identities) out of fear. They have done so because it benefits them.

Examples:





[EDIT: Another, also relevant:]

[ConfusedJew]

You keep trying to pump yourself up and shut me down so much that it makes your argumentation style weaker and weaker and weaker.

If what you said had substance and stood for itself, you wouldn't need to or want to do that.

[Callafangers]

You keep trying to pump yourself up and shut me down so much that it makes your argumentation style weaker and weaker and weaker.

If what you said had substance and stood for itself, you wouldn't need to or want to do that.

Gee, you were so quick to respond (and without any substance or rebuttal). It's almost like you're trying to distract, rather than inform.

[ConfusedJew]

There is also the issue of displaced or 'hidden' Jewish children (assimilated into non-Jewish homes) never knowing their identities to begin with, but whom you'd still count.

Why would there be displaced and hidden children if there was no Holocaust?

Let's add these up:

• 'Missing' Jews who actually didn't survive, either due to executions, wartime conditions, disease, etc.
• Jews not captured by censuses due to low census quality or availability
• Non-religious Jews not documenting themselves as Jewish
• Jews having changed to a non-Jewish identity
• Jews otherwise not wishing to be counted as such
• Relative difference to probable over-counting pre-war (e.g. half-Jews considered as Jews, misaccounting birth rates, etc.)

What's the possible tally for each of these? Can we average, say, just shy of a million or so for each? That puts us right up against '6 million', CluelessJew. Oy vey...

That's not how math or statistics work. You can't just randomly assign an event amount to each category which is why I said this was an IQ test.

[ConfusedJew]

I should add that Jews have not just changed their names (or identities) out of fear. They have done so because it benefits them.

Examples:





[EDIT: Another, also relevant:]

Millions of Jews changed their name to go into show business???

The biggest fallacy that I've seen on here is you guys will take a small or singular incident and then try to argue that it's relevant to millions of Jews.

Please let up cherry pick in wikipedia to understand the fallacy that you are committing here.

[Stubble]

Millions of Jews changed their name to go into show business???

No, no, Shoah Business...

Shoah Business...

[Callafangers]

That's not how math or statistics work. You can't just randomly assign an event amount to each category which is why I said this was an IQ test.

That isn't what happened and it appears you've dodged a comprehensive response yet again.

Millions of Jews changed their name to go into show business???

The biggest fallacy that I've seen on here is you guys will take a small or singular incident and then try to argue that it's relevant to millions of Jews.

Please let up cherry pick in wikipedia to understand the fallacy that you are committing here.

More nervous dodging and strawmanning from you, as expected. Jews changed their names because it benefits them (that's more 'missing' Jews for your Holocaust tally). They do it to "blend in" and get the benefits of doing so, while still maintaining tribal loyalty.

But this is beside the point: the real issue here is that you have been repeatedly smacked-down at this forum. How do you cope with the embarrassment, ConfusedJew? Does a tall glass of Manischewitz wash the sorrows away, perhaps with a side of gefelte fish and latkes?

[Nessie]

There is also the issue of displaced or 'hidden' Jewish children (assimilated into non-Jewish homes) never knowing their identities to begin with, but whom you'd still count.

Why would there be displaced and hidden children if there was no Holocaust?

Let's add these up:

• 'Missing' Jews who actually didn't survive, either due to executions, wartime conditions, disease, etc.
• Jews not captured by censuses due to low census quality or availability
• Non-religious Jews not documenting themselves as Jewish
• Jews having changed to a non-Jewish identity
• Jews otherwise not wishing to be counted as such
• Relative difference to probable over-counting pre-war (e.g. half-Jews considered as Jews, misaccounting birth rates, etc.)

What's the possible tally for each of these? Can we average, say, just shy of a million or so for each? That puts us right up against '6 million', CluelessJew. Oy vey...

That's not how math or statistics work. You can't just randomly assign an event amount to each category which is why I said this was an IQ test.

It is an unevidenced hypothesis, designed to distract from the evidence of what did happen. Callafangers goes on to say

Your claim of 'missing Jews' as evidence of those 'Holocausted' is smoke and mirrors, and a weak distraction from your inability to show millions of Jewish corpses or a murder weapon, despite these being a typical requirement in murder investigations, especially for not just one but a series (alleged millions) of murders.

That is a barefaced lie. Large areas of cremated remains and numerous mass grave sites have been identified, all across Eastern Europe, along with details of the murder weapon. That the Nazis destroyed much of that evidence, is, in itself, evidence that a crime was committed. Numerous investigations, by numerous countries across Europe, have determined mass murder was committed, despite Nazi attempts to destroy evidence.

The smoke and mirrors is the claim that we lack evidence, when in fact, he lacks evidence.

[Nessie]

A Jew who changes their identity after the war, would not be able to prove they had lived at a certain property, until they were arrested, transported to camps and forced to work. Therefore, they would not be able to claim any compensation.

[Callafangers]

A Jew who changes their identity after the war, would not be able to prove they had lived at a certain property, until they were arrested, transported to camps and forced to work. Therefore, they would not be able to claim any compensation.

Thanks for further explaining any lack of reparations claims as evidence of 'missing Jews' (I think bombsaway or CJ tried that one). Open and shut.

Also, per some quick Googling and AI questions: the processes and means to claim so-called 'reparations' evolved over time and didn't even begin at all until the 1950s, when its strictness was a deterrent for many applicants. Only decades later did testimony alone become sufficient.

Overall, the situation regarding reparations was complex and so isn't especially useful in proving or disproving survival.

[fireofice]

I should add that Jews have not just changed their names (or identities) out of fear. They have done so because it benefits them.

Examples:





[EDIT: Another, also relevant:]

It should be noted that from a statistical perspective, about 10% of Jews have changed their names according to social sentinel.

12:25 in:



Of course this is from normal life. It could be even higher in the context of the end of WW2.

[Wahrheitssucher]

You keep trying to …shut me down so much that it makes your argumentation style weaker and weaker and weaker.

You keep trying to present yourself as a bigger, and bigger and bigger V I C T I M.

if your argument had any credibility you wouldn’t need to keep repeatedly doing that.

[Callafangers]

Your claim of 'missing Jews' as evidence of those 'Holocausted' is smoke and mirrors, and a weak distraction from your inability to show millions of Jewish corpses or a murder weapon, despite these being a typical requirement in murder investigations, especially for not just one but a series (alleged millions) of murders.

That is a barefaced lie. Large areas of cremated remains and numerous mass grave sites have been identified, all across Eastern Europe, along with details of the murder weapon. That the Nazis destroyed much of that evidence, is, in itself, evidence that a crime was committed. Numerous investigations, by numerous countries across Europe, have determined mass murder was committed, despite Nazi attempts to destroy evidence.

Nessie, please stop smoking crack. Also, please clarify what the bolded green portion above means to you. What does 'have been identified' mean to you, exactly?

• Who did the 'identifying'?
• Was it Mr. Bean?
• Was whoever did this 'identifying' at least as credible a source as Mr. Bean?
• ...or was it the Soviet Union (Stalin) and spiteful Jewish 'witnesses'?

In addition to millions of other documents across a wide range of policies, the Germans destroyed files about their program of dispossessing Jews as well, yet some contemporary wartime documents have evidently survived about this, as have documents for T-4, forced labor initiatives, and the Final Solution policy as one of literal [non-Holocaust] evacuation/resettlement. Somehow, the Nazis destroyed any hint of a 'Holocaust' but failed to destroy records for all the other initiatives they tried covering up. How convenient for you.

So, Nessie, again: did Mr. Bean 'identify' the graves "all across Eastern Europe"? Did Sasquatch 'identify' them? Where is this 'identification'? Is it in the room with us, now?

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[Wahrheitssucher]

Why would there be displaced and hidden children if there was no Holocaust?

I think we have to finally conclude that this person is neither genuine nor has the intellectual capacity to understand what is actually being debated.

No serious revisionist is arguing whether the holyH happened!!!

This has been explained to CJ numerous time to no avail.

No serious revisionist doubts that jews faced collective prejudice and persecution in the 1930s and 40s.
No serious revisionist doubts that jews were rounded up and transported to concentration camps.
No serious revisionist doubts that jews faced hardship and suffering during WW2.
No serious revisionist doubts that jews died in vast numbers in the camps due to disease.
No serious revisionist doubts that jewish collectives were targeted and were the recipients of massacres during Op. Barbarossa.
Etc., etc., etc.

Every “reply” to this ignorant simpleton is “undeserved”.

He is a dimwit trying to move the goalposts the whole-time to the strawman-argument of whether the ‘holocaust happened’ or not.