Archaeological & forensic evidence

[Nessie]

In the face of various false claims that there is no archaeological or forensic evidence of what happened at the AR camps, Chelmno and A-B, here is what I can find online;

General

1 - Summary of the work at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and Majdanek

https://www.academia.edu/1072734/Gilead ... on_Centres

2 - MASS BURIALS OF THE HOLOCAUST - Kyndra LynnBeatty at The Archaeological Studies Program, Department of Sociology and Archaeology, University of Wisconsin-La Crosse 2013, summary of the work at Belzec, Chelmno, Sobibor and TII;

https://minds.wisconsin.edu/bitstream/h ... sAllowed=y

3 - Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka. Holocaust Denial and Operation Reinhard. Chapter 7: Mass Graves (2). Number, Dimensions and Contents of the Mass Graves;

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... _5940.html

4 - Belzec, Sobibor, Treblinka. Holocaust Denial and Operation Reinhard. Chapter 7: Mass Graves (4). Human Remains Found.

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... _4958.html

Belzec

1 - Summary of Kola's work at Belzec.

http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... eview.html

2 - Full copy of "BEŁŻEC THE NAZI CAMP FOR JEWS IN THE LIGHT OF ARCHAEOLOGICAL SOURCES, by Prof. Andrzej Kola" (Parts 1 & 2)

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/holocau ... 044#p15044
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/holocau ... 044#p15044

Chelmno

1 - Archaeological report on the mass graves at Chelmno and the Rzuchow Forest site, by Lucja Pawlicka-Nowak 2004

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/holocau ... BjMkCRc_IU

2 - The history of archaeological research at the site of the former Kulmhof extermination camp

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... ation_camp

Sobibor

1 - Summary of the Haimi lead excavations at Sobibor

https://www.spiegel.de/international/ze ... 93733.html

2 - Geophysical Exploration of the Former Extermination Center at Sobibór, Poland (link to means to access report)

https://www.researchgate.net/publicatio ... bor_Poland

3 - Sobibór : archaelogical research conducted on the site of the former German extermination centre in Sobibór 2000-2011 (link to locations report is available)

https://www.worldcat.org/title/sobibor- ... /856144176

4 - Excavating Sobibor.

https://pure.knaw.nl/ws/portalfiles/por ... -BY-NC.pdf

5 - Summary of the realization of the archeological research program (Sobibor)

http://sobibor.info.pl/summary-of-the-r ... h-program/ (link presently broken)

6 - Mattogno's summary of archaeological and forensic work at Sobibor (Chapter 5) - note Mattogno has no relevant qualifications to review other's work. Page 115 has details of the forensic examination.

https://holocausthandbooks.com/book/sobibor/

Treblinka II

1 - Caroline Sturdy-Colls lead investigation at TII

https://etheses.bham.ac.uk/id/eprint/35 ... s12PhD.pdf

2 - Mattogno's summary of the Soviet and Polish site examinations 1945 (Chapter 6 page 237) - note Mattogno has no relevant qualifications to review other's work.

https://holocausthandbooks.com/wp-conte ... 8-torc.pdf

3 - "Earth conceal not my blood’: forensic and archaeological approaches to locating the remains of Holocaust victims" Caroline Sturdy Colls

https://www.jstor.org/tc/accept?origin= ... mage=False

4 - 2024 excavations

https://muzeumtreblinka.eu/en/2024/07/0 ... tion-camp/
https://eng.pw.edu.pl/News/Scientists-i ... ation-Camp

Auschwitz-Birkenau

1 - Review of the Debate on the Gas Openings at Crematoria 2 and 3 in Auschwitz Parts 1,2 & 3

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... gs-at.html
https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... at_20.html
https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... _2071.html


2 - The Ruins of the Gas Chambers: A Forensic Investigation of Crematoriums at Auschwitz I and Auschwitz-Birkenau
Daniel Keren, Jamie McCarthy, Harry W. Mazal

https://academic.oup.com/hgs/article-ab ... edFrom=PDF

3 - No Holes? No Holocaust?, by Charles D. Provan (revisionist site, with handy links to photos.)

https://mailstar.net/holocaust-debate20.html

4 - Study of soil samples from mass grave sites, including A-B

https://www.mdpi.com/2075-163X/11/3/275 ... &version=1

5 - 1945 forensic report on traces of HCN

https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/holocau ... t1894.html

6 - A Study of the Cyanide Compounds Content In The Walls Of The Gas Chambers in the Former Auschwitz and Birkenau Concentration Camps

https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... port.shtml

[Keen]

BELZEC, CHELMNO, PONARY, SOBIBOR and TREBLINKA II

Are the remains of over 2.1 million jews really buried in the 100 alleged mass graves?

OPENING / FUNDAMENTAL STATEMENT OF FACT: It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of -

ONLY FIVE PEOPLE.

...

CLOSING STATEMENT OF FACT: Using the information presented on this website and applying legal standards used in U.S. courts, this website's opening / fundamental statement of fact can be LEGALLY established as fact in a U.S. court.

NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE - PROVES - NO MASS GRAVES, WHICH - PROVES - ARCHAEOLOGICAL FRAUD

Additionally, and independent of any other reward offered on this website, a reward of - $5,000.00 - will be remitted to anyone who can refute the above closing statement of fact in a publicized debate against Greg Gerdes. Rules are essentially the same as those for the other challenges on this site. Contact Greg Gerdes for details.

https://thisisaboutscience.com/

[Keen]

A $1,000.00 bet - can be made for each one of the 100 fraudulently alleged / insinuated - mass graves / cremation pits - of Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - wagering that you can conclusively prove that they have been scientifically proven to actually exist and to currently contain the remains of at least 21 people.

...

Additionally, and independent of the $100,000.00 Holocaust Archaeology Hoax Challenge, a - $100.00 reward - is being offered for each one of the 100 alleged graves / cremation pits in question that is proven - with the same standard of proof applied in U. S. civil courts - to actually exist and to currently contain the remains of - at least 2 people.

https://thisisaboutscience.com/

[Keen]

We are still waiting for Nessie to show us a "huge mass grave" that contains more human remains than this one:



WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR NESSIE?

WHAT ARE YOU SO AFRAID OF?

[Keen]

In the face of various false claims that there is no archaeological or forensic evidence...

There is NO clear, convincing, credible or relevant evidence.

NONE.

If there were, Greg Gerdes would be handing out cash by the truckload:

https://thisisaboutscience.com/

[Keen]

In the face of various false claims that there is no archaeological or forensic evidence of what happened at the AR camps, Chelmno...

If the claims are false Nessie, then why are you so afraid to answer these questions:

21 - Of the 33 alleged Belzec graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains is number: _?_.

22 - Of the 21 alleged Chelmno graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains is number: _?_.

23 - Of the 7 alleged Ponary graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains is number: _?_.

24 - Of the 24 alleged Sobibor graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains is number: _?_.

25 - Of the 15 alleged Treblinka II graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains is number: _?_.

The fact that Nessie refuses to answer these questions is a tacit admission that the fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" have never been proven to exist and that there really was massive archaeological fraud at these camps.

NO PHYSICAL EVIDENCE - PROVES - NO MASS GRAVES, WHICH - PROVES - ARCHAEOLOGICAL FRAUD

[Archie]

Posting lots of links, none of which check out. The typical gish gallop.

From the first one.

We regard the extermination process as a past reality, a series of historically established events which do not need to be proven by archaeological excavations.

So they admit in the opening paragraph that they are biased and they treat the matter as a foregone conclusion rather than as an open scientific question.

The second one,

...in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the degree of Bachelor of Science

Nessie, this is an UNDERGRAD thesis. This was written by a ~21 year old girl. And it contains no archaeological data. Please be serious.

Kola study
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Treblinka
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Sobibor
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[Nessie]

It is a compendium of what I have found online. The forum it was on now needs a log in to see it, so I have replicated it here, so I can link to it more easily, when refuting liars and the ignorant on X, who claim there is only witness evidence, or there is no archaeological evidence.

[HansHill]

It is a compendium of what I have found online. The forum it was on now needs a log in to see it, so I have replicated it here, so I can link to it more easily, when refuting liars and the ignorant on X, who claim there is only witness evidence, or there is no archaeological evidence.

Reported for misuse of Revisionist resources and platforms.

Nessie if you want to shadowbox with Groypers on X using a Revisionist platform, i suggest you A) send them here directly so we can actually talk with them on a level footing, or B) host your own slop somewhere else, that's your own business.

I've just checked and NessiesSlopBucket.com is available.

Additionally I think this is such a poor display from an opposition poster that I suggest to the Mod team to severly restrict and limit this user's site privileges. In order to prevent the user's misuse of Revisionist resources and platform, he should for example be denied the ability to create threads, and only reply to a direct question when addressed.

[Nessie]

How is linking Holocaust denier/revisionists on X, to this site a bad idea?

[Keen]

It is a compendium of what I have found online. The forum it was on now needs a log in to see it, so I have replicated it here, so I can link to it more easily, when refuting liars and the ignorant on X, who claim there is only witness evidence, or there is no archaeological evidence.

Your so-called "evidence" is nothing but unsubstantiated allegations. It is not clear, convincing, credible or conclusive.

In fact, your so-called "evidence" has been PROVEN to be fraudulent: https://thisisaboutscience.com/

Out of 2.145 million jews and tens and tens of thousands of non jews alleged to be buried in 100 "huge mass graves" at B, C, P, S & T by your so-called "eyewitnesses," the best that has been done to "substantiate" the so-called "evidence" is this:

[Keen]

Additionally I think this is such a poor display from an opposition poster that I suggest to the Mod team to severly restrict and limit this user's site privileges. In order to prevent the user's misuse of Revisionist resources and platform, he should for example be denied the ability to create threads, and only reply to a direct question when addressed.

The best way to limit its lies is to make it answer the questions directed at it after is makes its never-ending stream of lies.

If it refuses to answer, then it shouldn't be allowed to post any more unless and until it answers the question directed at it or admits the lie. It's pretty simple - it's feet need to be held to the fire.

[Stubble]

I've just checked and NessiesSlopBucket.com is available.

We go halfsies on it and construct the 'wall of shame' there?

[Keen]

One would think that Nessie, after starting a thread titled "Archaeological & forensic evidence" would be able to post something that can refute this:

OPENING / FUNDAMENTAL STATEMENT OF FACT: It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the one hundred graves / cremation pits that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of -

ONLY FIVE PEOPLE.

https://thisisaboutscience.com/

But he doesn't because he cant.

He has posted this though:



Nessie, the remains of how many jews are shown in the photo above?

And what is the number of that grave?