Who is to Blame for the Orthodox Historical Narrative?

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ConfusedJew wrote: Sat Aug 02, 2025 11:28 pm Where did this idea of the Holocaust come from?

…I don't see how this is humanly possible, let alone plausible. Will somebody please explain to me how anybody could possible even do this?
The Shoah is the jewish, quasi-religious belief that:
~ 6 million jews
~ were murdered
~ then burnt and reduced to ash (which then disappeared)
~ perpetrated by demonic, icons-of-evil people
~ in a ‘holocaust’ = judaic ‘burnt offering’ sacrifice.

As an example of the above emphasis on killing (sacrificing) then burning 6 million victims, here is an extract from a true-believer ‘holocaust’ website:
The Auschwitz-Birkenau concentration camp had four crematoria where the SS made their own prisoners (those assigned to the Sonderkommandos) to burn the bodies of hundreds of thousands of their comrades in order to hide the evidences of the massacre. During the most intense periods in the camp, the cremation capacity of the ovens was of 10,000 people a day.
More than six million Jews were murdered during the Shoah …[by] German society. Two thirds of the European Jews disappeared forever.
https://auschwitz.net/the-extermination/
Notice how according to this mythologising, no jew ‘died’ during the war. No, no, no. ALL were allegedly “murdered”.
And who were the murderers? The racist allegation is the whole of “German society”.

The burning in ovens and open-air pyres is a key component of the mythology.

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Quasi-religious paintings by Polish-French Jew and ‘holocaust survivor’ David Olère, of what became the holocaust-temple of Auschwitz

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But that ‘burnt victims’ verbal imagery is now receiving less emphasis by the promoters of this mythology, the more the narrative receives critical scrutiny.
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Recall that the term holocaust comes from the greek translation of ‘Korban Olah’ = קרבן עולה referring to a judaic sacrificial offering by killing then burning to ash living animals to appease their tribal deity.

‘Korban Olah’ קרבן עולה literally means ‘a sacrifice/offering that goes up’. It received its name because of the way the sacrifice ‘went up in flames’ (as a whole). In English that type of sacrifice is translated as a ‘burnt offering’.

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That ‘burnt offering’ jewish fixation is why crematoria ovens, flames and open-air pyres feature so prominently in the ‘holocaust’ mythological imagery and received such emphasis in post-war, ‘survivor’, lie-witness/eye-witness testimony!
E.g. notice how ‘survivors’ in their testimony — and jewish believers of that — refer to the nonsensical but emotive term ‘gas ovens’.
…The burning of a Jewish baby alive, the stuffing of the gas ovens at Birkenau with so many Jewish victims that the Nazis had to build an outdoor pyre to cremate the martyrs more quickly…
…She said she knew about the Birkenau crematorium almost as soon as she arrived at the death camp. “At first, I thought it was used only to cremate bodies of people who had died ‘natural’ deaths. Then one night I saw women being driven into the gas ovens, screaming and begging for mercy. About 15 minutes later, I saw the smoke becoming thicker, rising from the chimneys. Then I knew”.
“…the crematoria were too full. So they built a pyre outdoors, and threw bodies into the fire. I saw one SS officer throwing a live baby into the fire.”

https://www.jta.org/archive/auschwitz-w ... -into-fire
Did the Nazis burn Jews alive in the Holocaust?
Actually, yes there were some that were burned alive. Read "Children of the Fire" About the "Twins" of Auschwitz.
Auschwitz was one of the worst concentration camps. Not only were THOUSANDS gassed every day, there were others lined up at the crematories that went in but never came out, according to the Auschwitz survivors. In the book it talks about how the survivors would see the crematories burning night and day and after the war when they would see fire coming out of stack houses it would bring back horrific memories. They also said how they would see the SS soldiers pick up bodies to throw in it, and some of the people were still alive…
~ 8/19/2023, https://www.answers.com/religion-and-sp ... _Holocaust
Shmaglevskaya: “At that time when the great number of Jews were exterminated in gas chambers, an order was issued that the children were to be thrown into the crematory ovens or the crematory ditches without previous asphyxiation with gas”.

Counsellor Smirnov: “How should we understand that? Were they thrown into the ovens alive or were they killed by other means before they were burned?”

Shmaglevskaya: “The children were thrown in alive. Their cries could be heard all over the camp.”
The haunting testimony of how the children cried from inside blazing ovens was given by Severina Shmaglevskaya, a Polish woman who had managed to survive the Auschwitz concentration camp from the day she was put there (Oct. 7, 1942) until its liberation in January 1945.

https://www.peoplesworld.org/article/re ... holocaust/
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Modern jewish protectors of the quasi-religious ‘holocaust’ myth are realising this semantic association with fire and burnt sacrifice does not help a perpetuation of the narrative as reliable history.
And are trying to distance themselves from it.
E.g.
“…The connotation of not merely massacre, but the destruction by fire seems to give the term appropriately tangible overtones. That is to say, the horror of the event may be said to be properly emphasized by a term that evokes the smell of burning corpses in the Nazi furnaces. Seen in this light, “holocaust” appears a most apt term to characterize what the Nazis did to the Jews. Acknowledging the semantic development of the term holocaust outlined above, the word’s origin as a reference to a “burnt offering” remains.
…the religious imagery implicit in “holocaust” …designates the murderers as priestly officiants engaged in acts of divine propitiation and brings up the grotesque image of Nazis burning six million Jews as an offering to God.

Moreover, in the Jewish imagination, such an offering is associated with the ʿakedah, the “binding” of Isaac, in the biblical story in which Abraham is tested and Isaac is victimised and almost offered as an ʿolah or “holocaust” by his own father at God’s command (Genesis 22:2). These are troubling images to have juxtaposed to the slaughter of six million Jews...

Other terms can appropriately describe the sense of utter destruction that “holocaust” conveys without adding a religious, sacrificial connotation to the event: e.g., extermination, annihilation, destruction, massacre, slaughter, or genocide (a term coined by [jew] Raphael Lemkin in 1944).

https://www.thetorah.com/article/the-sl ... or-a-shoah

The ‘holocaust’ mythology of ‘six million’ jews + meekly being led to slaughter like sacrificial animals has had many initial claims that have quietly been removed. E.g. death in steam chambers, by electrocution, by atom bomb, etc., etc.
Certain other fantastic and false claims have also had to be amended to be credible.
E.g. diesel engine exhaust became petrol engine.
“Hermetically sealed” gas-chambers became not hermetically sealed.
ZyklonB pellets dumped through non-existent roof holes onto the floor became inserted and removed via non-existent ‘kula columns’.
Etc., etc.
But the belief of ‘six million’jewish victims being ‘burnt’ remains constant.

QUESTION: Where did this fixation on ‘six million’ burnt, sacrificial victims come from?

ANSWER: There is an interpretation of the Judaic scripture called the Zohar which states: "You shall return minus six million". It refers to an interpretations of Leviticus 25:10.
The Leviticus reference discusses the Jewish ‘Jubilee year’ and the phrase "you shall return" (tashuvu, תשבו = return).

This Zohar interpretation of the Leviticus verse states a return of the Jewish people to their ‘homeland’ minus six million, based on a supposedly deliberate misspelling of "tashuvu" (missing a vav, which has a numerical value of 6) and its gematria equaling 708, linked to the year 1948 (5708 in the Jewish calendar, ignoring the millennium).

Yeah, its convoluted. But that’s judaic prophecy and gematria for ya!

SUMMARY: There is no explicit reference in the Zohar stating "you shall return minus six million".
But there have been and still are bat-shit crazy people with a superiority complex combined with a persecution complex who keep living a self-fulfilling prophecy by believing everybody hates them merely because they are BETTER than EVERY OTHER group of people. These people self-identify as ‘special’ and ‘God’s chosen’ (even though many of them are athiests).
Groups of some of these came up with this convoluted interpretation. They believe this is what Lev 25:10 really meant, and that it is a cryptic, divine prophecy.

The Zohar is a foundational Judaic Kabbalistic text. It contains mystical interpretations of the Judaic text called the Torah [the Law], which is what the Christian Bible’s ‘old testament’ is.
Ai info:
“The claim often stems from modern interpretations, particularly from sources like Rabbi Benjamin Blech’s The Secrets of Hebrew Words, which connects the gematria of "tashuvu" (708) to 1948 and speculates about the missing vav (6) alluding to the six million lost in the Holocaust. These interpretations are not universally accepted and are debated among scholars.
For example, web sources like UnTrain.org and others cite this idea but do not provide a precise Zohar passage to substantiate it.
Without a specific Zohar citation in the provided references or standard texts, the claim appears to be a later interpretive overlay rather than a direct quote. If you seek the exact Zohar passage, you may need to consult a comprehensive edition (like the Pritzker Zohar) or a Kabbalistic scholar, as the text is dense and requires expertise to navigate.”
~ Grok
“Ever since the earliest times, Jewish scholars have looked to the Hebrew language as a source of holiness and a wellspring of wisdom. Both letters and words, it has always been assumed, have hidden messages and secrets to be sought after, as if we are opening a shell to extract the fruit [they mean ‘kernel’ or ‘nut’.]. Rabbi Benjamin Blech has gathered many examples of the meanings hidden within Hebrew words and has explained them to the modern reader — even those who do not know any Hebrew.”

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Jewish belief has it that founder of modern zionism Theodor Hertzl believed such cryptic interpretations:
“There is indeed prophetic power in the Hebrew word, and only few are aware that the fulfilling of the prophecy started about the beginning of last century. As a matter of fact it is alleged that Theodor Hertzl, in his diaries from end 1800s, has written that 6 million Jews had to die, so that the Jewish state could be re-established. I have not been able to check up on this information myself, as these diaries aren't open to the public.”
~ Jakob Munck,
‘The Power of The Hebrew Word’
A ‘holocaust’ believer’s problem is not technical, factual, empirical or archeological — their problem is psychological.
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Re: Who is to Blame for the Orthodox Historical Narrative?

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Nessie wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 8:18 am
Booze wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 10:26 pm
ConfusedJew wrote: Sat Aug 02, 2025 11:28 pm How did thousands of people, including alleged perpetrators decide to confess to the Holocaust?
What do you mean by "including perpetrators"?
Confessions can only come from perpetrators, I doubt you could name thousands.

I think the thousands you are referring to are the accusers.
Look no further than Big Foot sightings to see how these stories take on a life of their own.
The majority of the eyewitnesses, those who worked inside the AR camps, Chelmno and A-B Kremas, were SS. They all admit that mass killings took place. None of them claimed something else happened inside those places. They are the perpetrators.
Can you give me citation demonstrating that all the SS admitted to mass killings at the AR camps. Where is there even a list of all the SS that worked at the AR camps?
Or are you saying something irrelevant, that SS witnesses who were tortured and whose families were threatened, while they were held in prison, confessed when put on the witness stand?
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ConfusedJew wrote: Sat Aug 02, 2025 11:28 pm Where did this idea of the Holocaust come from?
From Zionists. Proudly and admittedly.

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Moshe Sharett

Moshe Sharett (Hebrew: משה שרת; born Moshe Chertok (משה שרתוק); 15 October 1894 – 7 July 1965) was an Israeli politician who was Prime Minister of Israel from 1954 to 1955 and Minister of Foreign Affairs from 1948 to 1956. He signed the Israeli Declaration of Independence and was a principal negotiator in the cease-fire agreements that concluded the Israeli War of Independence. Beginning in 1933, he headed the political department of the Jewish Agency. He also founded the Jewish Brigade, which fought with the British Army during World War II.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moshe_Sharett
ConfusedJew wrote: Sat Aug 02, 2025 11:28 pm Why did people make it up?
To demonstrate that stealing the homeland of Palestinians to turn it into a Jewish state was "a world necessity."
Especially crucial after the passing of the British White Paper of 1939, which unambiguously ruled out the establishment of any Jewish state in Palestine.

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Theodor Herzl

Theodor Herzl (2 May 1860 – 3 July 1904)[3] was an Austro-Hungarian Jewish journalist and lawyer who was the father of modern political Zionism. Herzl formed the Zionist Organization and promoted Jewish immigration to Palestine in an effort to form a Jewish state. In 1896, Herzl published the pamphlet Der Judenstaat, in which he elaborated his visions of a Jewish homeland. His ideas attracted international attention and rapidly established Herzl as a major figure in the Jewish world. In 1897, Herzl convened the First Zionist Congress in Basel, Switzerland, and was elected president of the Zionist Organization. He began a series of diplomatic initiatives to build support for a Jewish state, appealing unsuccessfully to German emperor Wilhelm II and Ottoman sultan Abdul Hamid II.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theodor_Herzl
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ConfusedJew wrote: Sat Aug 02, 2025 11:28 pm How did thousands of people, including alleged perpetrators decide to confess to the Holocaust?
Not thousands of alleged perpetrators confessed to the Holocaust. According to the orthodox narrative in its infancy, fewer than 100 Nazis were aware of the Holocaust during WW2.

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ConfusedJew wrote: Sat Aug 02, 2025 11:28 pm Is there any other recorded hoax in the course of human history that has been at a fraction of this scale?
Witchcraft. Documented & confessed at thousands of witch trials, with around 100,000 people tried and 40,000 to 60,000 executed, but still bogus.
"Holocaust deniers are very slick people. They justify everything they say with facts and figures."
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Re: Who is to Blame for the Orthodox Historical Narrative?

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Booze wrote: Fri Jan 09, 2026 11:47 pm
Nessie wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 8:18 am
Booze wrote: Wed Aug 06, 2025 10:26 pm
What do you mean by "including perpetrators"?
Confessions can only come from perpetrators, I doubt you could name thousands.

I think the thousands you are referring to are the accusers.
Look no further than Big Foot sightings to see how these stories take on a life of their own.
The majority of the eyewitnesses, those who worked inside the AR camps, Chelmno and A-B Kremas, were SS. They all admit that mass killings took place. None of them claimed something else happened inside those places. They are the perpetrators.
Can you give me citation demonstrating that all the SS admitted to mass killings at the AR camps. Where is there even a list of all the SS that worked at the AR camps?
Or are you saying something irrelevant, that SS witnesses who were tortured and whose families were threatened, while they were held in prison, confessed when put on the witness stand?
List of names here;

https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=372

Examples of confessions here;

https://remember.org/facts-aft-tri-test.html
http://www.holocaustresearchproject.org ... speak.html

No one has ever produced any evidence, that the SS camp staff, most of whom were tried by German prosecutors, in Germany, were the subject of any torture or their family coerced.
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Nessie wrote: Sat Jan 10, 2026 9:31 am No one has ever produced any evidence, that the SS camp staff, most of whom were tried by German prosecutors, in Germany, were the subject of any torture or their family coerced.
But it turned out that the sued Germans got ridiculously light prison sentences (some Jews complained about it) by producing false testimonies at show trials to ingratiate their prosecutors and their (((bosses))) in accordance with the Kempner trick (perjury for immunity).

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And an Allied 'interrogator' boasted about torturing Rudolf Höss (the commandant of Auschwitz) during 3 days and nights "to get a coherent statement out of him."

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