Video of Germans gassing people with exhaust gas

[Callafangers]

I just want to make sure folks understand the problem here as it took me a moment to see it:

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You can actually count the number of shorter-length bricks between the two vertical lines under the window (or piping) in either photo. At all levels, there are only nine (9) in the alleged 'gassing' footage site, and there are ten (10) under the window at the Mogilev institute photo.

There is also a ledge which protrudes underneath the window, whereas there is only some questionable protrusion under the 'chamber' piping, and in any case the bricks which are on the questionable 'chamber' ledge are shorter (half-length) compared to those on the obvious protruding ledge under the window of the institute (full-length).

Compare this:

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To this:

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I think the biggest discrepancy remains the fewer number of bricks (nine vs. ten short bricks) between the "two [vertical] lines", especially since these two "straight lines" are reportedly (per Sergey) stated by witnesses, making this an important feature to consider.

It is still possible this is the same building and that Sergey just identified the wrong window but then, if so, we still face the lack of an original film/source, questionable provenance, inconsistent and/or dubious testimony, and typical pattern alignment with other Soviet post-war hoaxes and deception.

[fireofice]

It's fake and staged. It probably is a real car from Einsatzkommando 8, but the Allies definitely had access to all kinds of German vehicles after the war.

What distinguishes a car from Einsatzkommando 8, from just a car?

The symbols on the car.

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... ssing.html

[Stubble]

Right. The accused described the brick as being plastered though, so, unless they are mistaken, the photo and the video are from the wrong places.

Or the plaster was removed at some point. Which puts the picture and the video both not contemporary with the event as described.

Dr. Albert Widmann and his laboratory assistant Hans Schmidt

The scene shown on this picture cannot show the events at Mogilev. As I already made clear, the building was covered with white plaster and had a foundation block. Moreover, one of the two hoses we had brought with us was much thicker than the other one. The vehicles used at Mogilev did not stand parallel to, but perpendicular to, the wall of the house. To the best of my remembrance, the hose did not have a support. I am unable to identify the vehicles in the picture as vehicles of the RKPA [Reichspolizeiamt]. The RKPA did not have any trucks at all. I do not know the license plates of the vehicles, in particular, I cannot explain the tactical sign on the platform of the truck. I do not know this sign.

After a second look at the pictures, I wish to point out that the window walled up with bricks sharply stood out against the wall of the house, which was covered with white plaster, and looked abominably ugly. Finally I did not see anybody taking pictures.

In my opinion these pictures were not taken during the action in Mogilev. I only remember a connecting piece and a hose. I also believe that the boards lying before the wall and the post which can be seen on the picture did not exist at Mogilev. Furthermore, I remember that only the window was walled up with bricks and that the rest of the building was not made of bricks. Finally, I think that in Mogilev the vehicle stood further away from the house and that the position of the connecting piece [in the wall of the house] was lower. The license plates of the vehicles visible in the picture are unknown to me, this means that I do not know these license plates. […]

My memory of the action in Mogilev strongly differs from the scenes in these pictures. Therefore, I think that these pictures do not show the action in Mogilev. The facility shown on the photographs seems to be quite sophisticated whereas the facilty used at the action in Mogilev was clearly provisional.

[Callafangers]

It's fake and staged. It probably is a real car from Einsatzkommando 8, but the Allies definitely had access to all kinds of German vehicles after the war.

What distinguishes a car from Einsatzkommando 8, from just a car?

The symbols on the car.

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... ssing.html

I suppose it would be equally easy for the Soviets to paint relevant symbols on the back of vehicles as it would be for them to relocate the vehicles (for a propaganda film). Either option seems plausible and perfectly within available means.

I think this goes hand-in-hand with Stubble's points above, though... it would appear this staged gassing at the brick buildings was not part of the 'Mogilev test gassing' narrative at all, per Widmann and Schmidt... which can only mean one thing: a new 'gassing' discovery!

...but if it isn't Mogilev, then it seems we lack corroboration... but wait, this just in -- my grandpa says he was in Minsk in 1942 and he saw a gassing operation there, just like the one in the video (I only had to pay him $50 to say it)! My goodness -- this is a new, confirmed historical find! Let's add it to the official historical record.

Am I doing this historiography thing right, Hans? Nick? bombsaway?

[Wetzelrad]

What do you make of Sergey's analysis?

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... ng_23.html

This seems convincing to me. It's the same technique I would use. Their annotations are unhelpful, but the wall's features do appear to line up. Here's my go at it:

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I used perspective shift on a screengrab from the video, and nothing else. Callafangers's criticisms above are reasonable but not convincing. It isn't merely that the bricks are in a standard arrangement. Some of the rows of bricks are misaligned, yet they match in the images. Beside that, the darker bricks match, although it is hard to tell with all the damage and mess on the wall.

I also think a lot of revisionist arguments make sense here. The shadow of the man projected on the wall borders on absurd.

[Stubble]

I think this goes hand-in-hand with Stubble's points above, though... it would appear this staged gassing at the brick buildings was not part of the 'Mogilev test gassing' narrative at all, per Widmann and Schmidt... which can only mean one thing: a new 'gassing' discovery!

Or, hear me out, they shot their 'recreation' at the wrong building on the grounds...

I could go further, but, it becomes conspiratorial and non confirmable without the accused to interrogate.