Bischoff Letter

[Callafangers]

The need for 10 gas detectors would have been inconsistent with morgue functions but critical for gas chambers to ensure safe entry after gassing.

What a fascinating argument. So in your view the vast majority of the alleged Zyklon gassings were impossible because they were all missing this "critical" component. Well done.

ConfusedJew is becoming a very effective revisionist.

[ConfusedJew]

Contrary to what's written there, the Bischoff Letter includes no allowance for down time, cleaning, or maintenance. The figures represent 24 uninterrupted hours of operation. That is a blatant lie on Lipstadt's part.

Whether or not this is true doesn't matter because at that throughput rate you could easily cover the totals.

I'm reaching a point with you guys where the things you are responding to me are so nonsensical that there's nothing for me to address.

How do you know the figures don't represent 24 uninterrupted hours of operation? What is your evidence? Where did those figures come from in the first place? Why did they need so many muffles?

So many questions that have no alternative viable explanation.

[Archie]

A couple of preliminary points

-This document is quite well-known
-You yourself brought it up about a week ago (you probably don't even realize you did since all your posts are copy-paste)

I pointed out to you in the Pressac thread that Pressac himself does not take the numbers in this document seriously. He says it is "a purely hypothetical figure based on no practice of any sort."
https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=13295#p13295

If I have a "document," even an "authentic" one, that says that a Toyota Camry has a top speed of 300 mph, this does not prove that the car can actually go 300 mph. We know it can't, no matter what it says on some piece of paper. Numbers on a paper can be wrong.

There are many scientific arguments that can be made. And revisionists have done a great deal of research in this area establishing conclusively that the true cremation capacity was far lower. But let me give you a practical argument. The document claims that Krema I (Auschwitz main camp) had a capacity of 340 bodies per day, or 124,100 bodies per year. Let's do a quick sanity check here. Krema I had six muffles. Dachau and Buchenwald were similarly equipped, each having six muffles. (Let's not get distracted by delving into design differences as we are just trying to get an order of magnitude here). Assuming Auschwitz Krema I with six muffles had a capacity of 124,100/year, what would this imply about Dachau and Buchenwald? It would imply that the non-extermination camps had wildly excessive cremation capacity. Oooooor, these numbers are complete fantasy.

Here are the registered deaths for Buchenwald (again, non-extermination camp). 124K is almost 4x the total deaths for ALL years. That's just stupid. And that includes the spike at the end of the war which would not have been anticipated in the planning. The Buchenwald crematorium was constructed in 1942. That year they had 2,898 deaths, or 7.9 per day. Do you really think the capacity was 340 or anywhere close to that? That would be about 2.3% capacity. Why would they have had over 40 times the capacity they needed? They didn't. The real world, practical capacity was FAR lower.



See here for general discussion of theoretical vs realistic calculations
https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=202

[Nessie]

The Bischoff Letter is corroborated by other documents that recorded the development of multiple corpse, fast cremation ovens, the testimony of the engineers from Topf & Sons, eyewitness accounts of the cremations and the circumstantial evidence surrounding the operation of the Kremas.

Karl Bischoff was a Nazi who managed to successfully avoid being held to account for his work, after the war.

[Nessie]

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If I have a "document," even an "authentic" one, that says that a Toyota Camry has a top speed of 300 mph, this does not prove that the car can actually go 300 mph. We know it can't, no matter what it says on some piece of paper. Numbers on a paper can be wrong.

There are many scientific arguments that can be made. And revisionists have done a great deal of research in this area establishing conclusively that the true cremation capacity was far lower. But let me give you a practical argument...

You are correct to say that just because a piece of paper has a claim on it, that does not mean the claim is correct.

Then we diverge. You claim that you can make a scientific argument that the claim on the piece of paper is incorrect. I dispute that and say that evidence should be gathered, to establish if the claim can be corroborated or not. You do not like the evidence based approach, because the evidence is that multiple corpse cremations of thousands of corpses a day, were achieved. Hence, you rely on your supposed scientific, practical arguments.

The figures given in the Bischoff Letter, are corroborated by multiple eyewitnesses to the cremations and other evidence such as the document recording 1737 people working over a 24-hour period at the four Kremas in July 1944. That is consistent with the cremation of so many corpses.

[Wahrheitssucher]

I haven't lied about anything…

A rather obvious lie, in itself.

I don't believe that you actually believe what you are saying.
…but you'll make up some other dumb excuse.

You're not even trying, ConfusedJew. The letter describes a technical impossibility. Do you know what that means? That means that your witnesses, if they claim this, must necessarily be lying.
If you have witnesses who claim "pigs can fly", it doesn't matter how many witnesses. The technical feasibility trumps any such considerations, 100%.

…You pretend to be "confused", you pretend to think we are "weird" here, etc. -- but the truth is, you're framing it however you can to cast suspicion, doubt, disgust, etc. upon revisionism, since any of those are helpful to achieve your aim of securing maximum Jewish interests. The truth apparently has no influence in what you say, unless by mere circumstance or convenience.

This was proven from your "day one" on this forum (exposed and discussed here: https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=339 ). You presented yourself as a "sincere, open-minded" Jew, just here to raise serious questions out of honest curiosity for the topic in general. But it quickly became clear you had ulterior motives that are transparent to any sincere person visiting this forum.

…You have not upheld any of your points thus far on this forum.
I do plan one day to quantify just how many claims you originally stated with confidence and which were totally eviscerated or invalidated thereafter.

Apologies to the mods for highlighting the above parts of Callafangers’ points, rather than anything to do with the Bischoff letter. I do so as I think this aspect outlined above by Callafangers of what is happening here, is MOST relevant now.
This analysis applies to EVERY TOPIC this person now pontificates upon.

CJ is taking the piss! It is a disrespect to the forum.
There is no longer even any attempt by this person to engage in meaningful dialogue.

[ConfusedJew]

A couple of preliminary points

-This document is quite well-known
-You yourself brought it up about a week ago (you probably don't even realize you did since all your posts are copy-paste)

I pointed out to you in the Pressac thread that Pressac himself does not take the numbers in this document seriously. He says it is "a purely hypothetical figure based on no practice of any sort."
https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=13295#p13295

If I have a "document," even an "authentic" one, that says that a Toyota Camry has a top speed of 300 mph, this does not prove that the car can actually go 300 mph. We know it can't, no matter what it says on some piece of paper. Numbers on a paper can be wrong.

If you have a ton of people testifying separately that they made it to 300 mph, then different evidence is beginning to converge which makes the claim more credible.

Secondly, the car didn't need to be able to reach 300 mph.

Third, so many people said it was physically impossible here.

You are moving the goal posts which is fine but I just want to call it out for what it is.

[ConfusedJew]

You are correct to say that just because a piece of paper has a claim on it, that does not mean the claim is correct.

Then we diverge. You claim that you can make a scientific argument that the claim on the piece of paper is incorrect. I dispute that and say that evidence should be gathered, to establish if the claim can be corroborated or not. You do not like the evidence based approach, because the evidence is that multiple corpse cremations of thousands of corpses a day, were achieved. Hence, you rely on your supposed scientific, practical arguments.

The figures given in the Bischoff Letter, are corroborated by multiple eyewitnesses to the cremations and other evidence such as the document recording 1737 people working over a 24-hour period at the four Kremas in July 1944. That is consistent with the cremation of so many corpses.

Yep, there is so much independent evidence that converges to very similar narrative.

[Callafangers]

If you have a ton of people testifying separately that they made it to 300 mph, then different evidence is beginning to converge which makes the claim more credible.

Absolutely not -- the claim never becomes credible since a Camry simply does not reach 300 mph (the analogy assumes a stock model). Because a Camry cannot reach 300 mph, an infinite number of witnesses saying otherwise only means we have an infinite number of liars or ignoramuses.

Now, if we have additional evidence showing a pattern of lies, that helps explain the situation.

Those crematoria could not reach 4,756 daily, and we indeed have a pattern of lies regarding Birkenau and the 'Holocaust'.

[ConfusedJew]

If you have a ton of people testifying separately that they made it to 300 mph, then different evidence is beginning to converge which makes the claim more credible.

Absolutely not -- the claim never becomes credible since a Camry simply does not reach 300 mph (the analogy assumes a stock model). Because a Camry cannot reach 300 mph, an infinite number of witnesses saying otherwise only means we have an infinite number of liars or ignoramuses.

Now, if we have additional evidence showing a pattern of lies, that helps explain the situation.

Those crematoria could not reach 4,756 daily, and we indeed have a pattern of lies regarding Birkenau and the 'Holocaust'.

This is where your analogy breaks down. Better to reason by metaphor than analogy. Sorry.

You are deeply delusional if you think tens of thousands of many kinds of testifiers all came up with the same lies and stories. Would be much easier to get a Camry going 300 mph than to pull off that accomplishment.

This is just common sense at this point.

[Callafangers]

If you have a ton of people testifying separately that they made it to 300 mph, then different evidence is beginning to converge which makes the claim more credible.

Absolutely not -- the claim never becomes credible since a Camry simply does not reach 300 mph (the analogy assumes a stock model). Because a Camry cannot reach 300 mph, an infinite number of witnesses saying otherwise only means we have an infinite number of liars or ignoramuses.

Now, if we have additional evidence showing a pattern of lies, that helps explain the situation.

Those crematoria could not reach 4,756 daily, and we indeed have a pattern of lies regarding Birkenau and the 'Holocaust'.

This is where your analogy breaks down. Better to reason by metaphor than analogy. Sorry.

You are deeply delusional if you think tens of thousands of many kinds of testifiers all came up with the same lies and stories. Would be much easier to get a Camry going 300 mph than to pull off that accomplishment.

This is just common sense at this point.

No, CJ -- you can keep pretending liars don't exist (as one yourself, this makes sense)... but they certainly do. If their claims cannot have happened as alleged, this opens up the probability of a lie, even a coordinated one. And a strong convergence of evidence supports this interpretation.

[ConfusedJew]

No, CJ -- you can keep pretending liars don't exist (as one yourself, this makes sense)... but they certainly do. If their claims cannot have happened as alleged, this opens up the probability of a lie, even a coordinated one. And a strong convergence of evidence supports this interpretation.

No it doesn't. You breaking your own forum's rules by accusing me of lying. Prove it or show any kind of reason to believe that I have maliciously lied about anything or STFU.

In war trauma, getting pedantic details wrong is going to be much more likely the result of trauma or brain damage than anything else. You can keep making the same arguments if you want but nobody outside of this forum would believe that.

[Stubble]

No, CJ -- you can keep pretending liars don't exist (as one yourself, this makes sense)... but they certainly do. If their claims cannot have happened as alleged, this opens up the probability of a lie, even a coordinated one. And a strong convergence of evidence supports this interpretation.

No it doesn't. You breaking your own forum's rules by accusing me of lying. Prove it or show any kind of reason to believe that I have maliciously lied about anything or STFU.

In war trauma, getting pedantic details wrong is going to be much more likely the result of trauma or brain damage than anything else. You can keep making the same arguments if you want but nobody outside of this forum would believe that.

You, demonstrably lied, here;

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=13881#p13881

Other places as well, but, this lie was handy, so I chose this lie from you to highlight, if you want more I can bring receipts.

[HansHill]

if you want more I can bring receipts.

Are we doing the "lets show Confused Jew all of his lies" part of the show now?

TAG ME IN BROTHER HH

[ConfusedJew]

You, demonstrably lied, here;

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=13881#p13881

Other places as well, but, this lie was handy, so I chose this lie from you to highlight, if you want more I can bring receipts.

That wasn't even wrong, let alone a lie. Pressac talked about having ventilators installed in mid March 1943 for gas chambers.

"I have no idea what Messing must have thought as he was installing the motors, blowers, valves and ducts of the ventilation systems [Document 34] After 15th March he could not have any doubts about the final destination of his work. As the first civilian witness of large scale gassing he must have spoken about it to his family and friends on his return to Erfurt. The telegram of 26th February 1943 proves that Topf & Sons were very much involved in the technical implementation of the gassing system. Compromising themselves with the SS in what they did “by order” and, what is even worse, solely for commercial gain, resulted in 1945 in the suicide of the managing Director Ludwig Topf Junior whose “nerves had gone to pieces” [Weimar State Archives, Bestand Topf & Sons No. 2/555, Aktennotiz of 11th October 1945] and the arrest by the Russians, in the afternoon of 4th March 1946, of Kurt Prüfer, head of the D.I V, or cremation installations, division of this firm [same source, Aktennotiz registered on 24th April 1946]."

https://phdn.org/archives/holocaust-his ... 0371.shtml

I'm not even going to call what you said a lie because you mistakenly misquoted somebody else reviewing and putting words into Pressac's mouth. I provided the link very clearly where Pressac says that the ventilators were used for homicidal gassing. Maybe you did lie, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.