1933 Degesch Document

[ConfusedJew]

Perfect - you are now locked into Jan Sehn's tally of 12 tins per gassing.

I'm not locked into anything but I do need you to be more clear in what you are talking about. Jan Sehn's tally of 12 tins per gassing doesn't mean anything to me.

[HansHill]

Perfect - you are now locked into Jan Sehn's tally of 12 tins per gassing.

I'm not locked into anything

To be more accurate, you are locked out of all the arguments and parameters you ignored

but I do need you to be more clear in what you are talking about.

Maybe the Holocaust isn't for you? You keep saying you dont understand anything. Again not to be cruel, just calling it as I see it. Reddit might be more your speed?

Jan Sehn's tally of 12 tins per gassing doesn't mean anything to me.

It should, because its a quantification of a key parameter you are neglecting to quantify.

[ConfusedJew]

You are not communicating well, it's not me.

Archie has surpassed you as the better communicator on these issues.

[HansHill]

>I hate cars
>Join forum for car enthusiasts
>Cannot decipher their car-speak and technical mumbo jumbo
>Tell all the car enthusiasts they are wrong about cars
>They correct me
>I ignore them
>I repeat to the car enthusiasts they are wrong and insist upon it
>>>>You are here<<<<
>Leave car enthusiast forum, they all laugh at me and everyone is much happier

[Stubble]

CJ, everyone even slightly literate can see this thread, and realize, yes, it is you...

[Wetzelrad]

Jan Sehn's tally of 12 tins per gassing doesn't mean anything to me.

Here's what I previously wrote on this issue. You ignored it the first time. Perhaps you'll get it this time.

The Nazis were confident that overdosing with Zyklon B would make up for any inefficiencies.

This is perhaps the most glaring example of you contradicting yourself, as you claim elsewhere that Nazis used just 300 ppm HCN, a concentration that is said to be the minimum fatal dose. This is not, however, a hallucination, but rather an accurate AI reproduction of the contradictory arguments Holocaust believers use.

You cannot simultaneously claim that the Nazis were "overdosing" their victims to speed up the process while also using the lowest concentration possible to kill. It can't be both 10,000 ppm and 300 ppm. You have to pick a concentration.

Along with that, the concentration of the gas is going to be determined by the amount of Zyklon that is used, and it will be very different depending on whether it's 1 can or 12 cans. It can't be both. You have to pick a number.

These are basic questions which bear very heavily on gas chamber operation and forensics.

[ConfusedJew]

You guys are throwing out a bunch of unreliable facts and arguments. AI is not able to make sense of the nonsense. Here is Robert Green's analysis. Maybe you have a pre-meditated answer to his arguments but they are very compelling to me.

https://web.archive.org/web/20210707010 ... chemistry/

"This simulation would be a comedy of errors were it not in the service of denying a tragedy of barely imaginable proportions. First of all, 1.8 kW is roughly equivalent to the heat output of 18 people, far fewer than would have been in the 5.43 square meters of floor space in the simulation. Secondly, and more importantly, it is not at all necessary to come near (or over!) the boiling point of HCN for it to evaporate rapidly. The boiling point of a liquid is the temperature at which its equilibrium vapor pressure is equal to the pressure of the atmosphere. Below the boiling point the vapor pressure of a liquid can be quite large. HCN has an extremely high vapor pressure even at very cold temperatures."

This discussion is worthwhile because it shows how the deniers play on the public's relative ignorance on such technical details. The argument, however, is moot because Gerhard Peters, who was the general director of Degesch, the company that sold Zyklon B has written a book on the topic, in which he gives the evaporation times of Zyklon B. 69 Ulrich Roessler translates:

"The development of the gas from the Zyklon sets in with great vehemence immediately following the pouring out of it. The thinner the layer of the disseminated support material the faster will be the development of the gas. Depending on the species of the pests to be controlled, and on the characteristic of the rooms to be gassed, one may choose to reach the maximum of the gas concentration to arise very quickly or more slowly by the thickness of the disseminated layer. Usually, the material will be disseminated in a layer of 1/2 to 1cm thickness, then the greatest part [der gröste Teil] of the HCN will have developed already after half an hour at normal temperature. [i.e. 20 degree C]."

https://web.archive.org/web/20171216011 ... report.001

Roessler comments further:
"Now, der gröste Teil der Blausäure is by no means only 50% - it means rather nearly all of the HCN. 71
Even at -10 C Peters states that the evaporation is essentially complete in 1 hour with an upper bound for complete evaporation of 2 hours."

"Even at -10 C Peters states that the evaporation is essentially complete in 1 hour with an upper bound for complete evaporation of 2 hours."

"From these analytical values, the following can be derived:

1. In all cases, the essential part of the disengagement of the gas is complete after one or at most two hours. (A control of the residues at the applicable times confirmed their complete degassing.) The evaporation of the prussic acid was therefore not significantly delayed by the low temperature."

https://web.archive.org/web/20190608151 ... m/p136.htm