On the Nessie Question (NQ lol)

[HansHill]

Cross-posting this here from a different thread, this feels relevant - Mods feel free to remove if this isn't the right place!

I hear you, it's definitely circular and doesn't add a ton. That said, I do think strong criticism is important to keep all of us on our toes, and Nessie has in many ways been a valued contributor in that regard. Nonetheless, some 'throttling' might be in order, to allow others on the forum to have a chance to develop and debate their own ideas and topics, without everyone getting stuck in the same merry-go-round with Nessie's "bullflop bingo", over and over again.

I'm firmly in the pro-Nessie camp. Yes he's highly repetitive, however he takes his rhetorical clobberings in good humour and never spergs out. He is also well behaved and doesn't encroach onto the Discussion thread, which i think warrants its own kudos, as he knows he would not be welcome there.

His main "benefit" to CODOH however, is that I've never actually seen him getting the better of anybody - meaning any lurker who jumps into any random thread, has an overwhelming chance of seeing some point of contention being dunked on, which is very satisfying to see.

As for how to handle his rubbish, i like the idea of mods intervening and removing his derailment posts into the junk folder - a good example of this is the AI thread, where if you go to page 15 there is almost no discussion of AI happening at all, and as such I have stopped following it. Just to be clear, I'm not singling Nessie out for every derailment in the universe, however he tends to indulge.

[Nazgul]

Cross-posting this here from a different thread, this feels relevant - Mods feel free to remove if this isn't the right place!

I hear you, it's definitely circular and doesn't add a ton. That said, I do think strong criticism is important to keep all of us on our toes, and Nessie has in many ways been a valued contributor in that regard. Nonetheless, some 'throttling' might be in order, to allow others on the forum to have a chance to develop and debate their own ideas and topics, without everyone getting stuck in the same merry-go-round with Nessie's "bullflop bingo", over and over again.

I'm firmly in the pro-Nessie camp. Yes he's highly repetitive, however he takes his rhetorical clobberings in good humour and never spergs out. He is also well behaved and doesn't encroach onto the Discussion thread, which i think warrants its own kudos, as he knows he would not be welcome there.

His main "benefit" to CODOH however, is that I've never actually seen him getting the better of anybody - meaning any lurker who jumps into any random thread, has an overwhelming chance of seeing some point of contention being dunked on, which is very satisfying to see.

As for how to handle his rubbish, i like the idea of mods intervening and removing his derailment posts into the junk folder - a good example of this is the AI thread, where if you go to page 15 there is almost no discussion of AI happening at all, and as such I have stopped following it. Just to be clear, I'm not singling Nessie out for every derailment in the universe, however he tends to indulge.

Best idea is to either discuss the topic with another user and ignore the Highland Lord of the Kelpie. If not then it is best to ignore him or just mention something on the topic. When he is backed into a corner you will see sparks. Any Investigator knows you follow the evidence. The evidence presented by the Kelpie Lord is mainly hearsay propped up to be eye witness.

[Archie]

He posts too much without adding much of anything to the thread topics.

Here are some ideas I have to prevent him from ruining so many threads.

1) Junk Folder - for his off-topic and counterproductive posts
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When he tries to derail threads from the actual topic to general talking points that have been discussed to death, it would really be better just to remove the posts rather than have people waste their time replying to this. The catch here is that I do not have the patience to read through all of his drivel. So I will request that people use the "report post" feature to alert me and fangers to his derails (especially if you are the thread author and feel the discussion is becoming bloated and not addressing the key points).

2) Nessie's greatest hits - this is a master list of Nessie's spam arguments
viewtopic.php?t=382
My hope is that with this here, people won't feel the need to keep responding to these points. Going forward I will consider most comments along these lines (e.g. "revisionists do not understand evidencing because they lack proper credentials") will be considered off-topic. Note this does not mean these topics like credentials are censored, just that we don't need to pollute every single thread with this.

[Nessie]

Archie, what you mean is that you want to be able to post faulty logic and ignorant and faulty analysis of evidence, in particular witness evidence, without challenge.

[HansHill]

Hardly. Of your ~1,800 posts, Archie has by necessity moved (not deleted) ~10.

[borjastick]

Here's another idea; Ban him, Bombsaway, Sanity Check etc.They bring nothing and they add nothing.

As Revisionists our purpose is to spread the word to the largest number of people around the world that the holocaust should at the very least be questioned and doubted. Our job is not to have endless arguments and derailment exercises with the likes of the driftwood named above who are here simply to waste time and cause disruption. They will never change their minds so why discuss anything with them at all. If you think it broadens the knowledge bandwidth or shows them up then don't. Because it doesn't.

In the old Codoh Forum these clowns would have been binned a long time ago.

[HansHill]

Question for the mods:

Are there any features where a poster can be limited to a pre-agreed daily post-limit? Say 10 posts per day? Or a feature where a poster can reply freely and unencumbered, but only when addressed / quoted directly?

Asking for a friend

[Stubble]

I support Mr Hill's proposal of a post limit.

If the posts had a 'cost' I know I would be wiser 'spending' them.

I think a daily limit of 5 post (or higher depending on how liberal the proposed rule would be) would improve the objective quality of posted content.

[Archie]

Unfortunately, there's no daily post cap or anything like that in the standard phpBB software. It would have to be an extension or customization, and I don't see one available. The closest thing in the admin settings is the flood limit which limits how long you have to wait between posts (default is only 15 seconds as an anti-bot measure). In theory I suppose it could be set to an hour or something to cut down high volume posting, but I don't want to inconvenience everyone else unnecessarily just to deal with one bad apple. The flood limit is a global setting so it would affect everyone.

It definitely concerns me that Nessie has 18% of the post volume on the forum while saying very little of substance. And then consider that there are probably that amount again of posts responding to him (many of which are interesting but also necessarily repetitive). I know it can be fun to bat him around, but we have to ask ourselves if it's really a good use of time replying to his extremely generic, very bad arguments over and over, especially since these arguments (confusions) are unique to him and are not even a good representation of "the other side." And he can't really be reasoned with. He just keeps responding with the same stuff. It's like trying to play chess with someone who can't figure out the rules. He was banned on the old forum precisely because of this high volume/low substance posting style which, just to be clear, does not meet CODOH Forum editorial standards. The only reason he has been permitted to stay this time around is because we have the two Holocaust boards which allows us to be very liberal with the Debate board.

If he is spamming his same old tired talking points in multiple threads, rather than replying to him (which just makes the problem worse), please report these posts so that they can be moved to the junk folder. By now, we have dedicated threads discussing most of his go-to stock arguments. We don't need to rehash this stuff in every single thread.

[Stubble]

As an especially guilty party, I must say in my defense, it is hard to let Nessie stand unopposed.

I will put him in my foes list and that should cut my posting by no less than 1/3rd.

Of note, I've been DM'd by more than one poster here and thanked for opposing Nessie, for what that is worth.

Objectively Keen appears to be correct, there is a way to stop him and it is not to feed him. Borjastick said much the same months ago. I know this and I continue to feed both him and Bombsaway. This appears to be one of my flaws, I'm sure I have more (hubris, bluster etc).

Edit; it is now the next day, and Nessie is under the impression he was won because I have him on ignore. I do not like this.

[borjastick]

As an especially guilty party, I must say in my defense, it is hard to let Nessie stand unopposed.

I will put him in my foes list and that should cut my posting by no less than 1/3rd.

Of note, I've been DM'd by more than one poster here and thanked for opposing Nessie, for what that is worth.

Objectively Keen appears to be correct, there is a way to stop him and it is not to feed him. Borjastick said much the same months ago. I know this and I continue to feed both him and Bombsaway. This appears to be one of my flaws, I'm sure I have more (hubris, bluster etc).

Edit; it is now the next day, and Nessie is under the impression he was won because I have him on ignore. I do not like this.

Totally agree with these comments.

What needs to happen is an awakening of what Nessie etc are up to. When you realise what they are doing and why, you will realise why they shouldn't be anywhere near this place. This isn't a charity or free speech activist platform. Nessie etc come here to lie, deceive, disrupt, clog the system, tilt at every windmill over and over and over again. Why? Mostly because they are halfwit cunts and also because they are either paid to do it or feel that because of their unhinged jewishness they have to fight back at the truth no matter what it is.

[Nessie]

Putting me on ignore, is a sign that you cannot cope with the evidence I have to back up claims being made and that you cannot face being challenged over your lies and mistakes.

I do ignore someone, but that is because of his refusal to answer any of my questions, participate in an actual debate and his abuse. I see his posts, I just chose not to respond to him, though I do respond to others as they interact with him.

[borjastick]

Putting me on ignore, is a sign that you cannot cope with the evidence I have to back up claims being made and that you cannot face being challenged over your lies and mistakes.

I do ignore someone, but that is because of his refusal to answer any of my questions, participate in an actual debate and his abuse. I see his posts, I just chose not to respond to him, though I do respond to others as they interact with him.

Do shut TF up old girl. It is getting very boring and you are never right. So go away to join your mates in the IDF busying themselves killing innocent women and children in Gaza.

[Stubble]

To defend Nessie a bit (something I never thought I'd say) he may be retired, or semiretired. Being self employed I find too much time to tilt at windmills (like Nessie).

He is certainly not a giant.

Letting him just run his mouth is for lack of a better term, painful. Especially when he continues to quote post me saying whatever he likes while on ignore.

One of the most egregious things is, I couldn't report any such post if I wanted too. Being in my ignore list, there is no option to report a post, not that I'm one to drop a dime anyhow.

Ultimately, for debate, there needs to be opposition. Nessie was described by Archie, rather aptly I think, as an embarrassing ally for the other side, alternately also described as a 'tier 1 boss'.

His arguments are weak and he is easily pummeled, and this being an internet venue, everyone with an active internet connection can ostensibly see it.

How useful he is for generating actual good content is another matter. He brings little to actual debate. Still he always returns though.

Personally, I'm considering moving away from the debate board in general and leaving it to him and new fish, and trying to spend time helping others in the research section and posting progress finding missing jews, researching operation todt infrastructure and getting a head count in and out of the zoo of camps the German Government operated under the National Socialist Governments tenure.

That seems like it would be a better use of my time than basically shitposting in the debate section.

I mean, with Nessie and Bombsaway, there is no debate anyway. They are absolutely sure the official narrative happened as described.

[borjastick]

That seems like it would be a better use of my time than basically shitposting in the debate section.

I mean, with Nessie and Bombsaway, there is no debate anyway. They are absolutely sure the official narrative happened as described.

I agree but why even engage with these fucking idiots? Sometimes it is better to let someone see the shit they post and arrive at their own conclusions than try and debate with a moron. We are never going to change their minds because their sense of superiority and arrogance are both enormous and inbred. Just ignore these twats and they might tire of it all. As I have said many times before our job is to spread the word that the holocaust story is just that, a story and to allow people to work that out for themselves. When I started all this exploration I didn't need people like the Nessie Fishwives club to realise the gas chamber story was a pile of dog poo.

As it happens I am tiring of all this endless shit from Nessie so he might just win because I might just fuck off and take up window dressing or paper folding for beginners. I have only so much head space for cunts in my life and dealing with my cunt of a brother at the moment is enough.