A Proposal

[Archie]

Your idea is in no way going to assess the testimony in question.

At all.

How am I going to verify that you can burn 2 or 3 hundred bodies to ash in 2 days with 10 gallons of diesel doing as you suggest?

You are completely missing my point.

The holocaust happened as alleged, right? This is the foundation of aktion 1005. This was the first burning, I have doubts.

I don't know, he said the pit was 2 meters deep as well? I would say that his specifications are unreliable, therefore you would be proving or disproving something fantastical.

Whereas for my suggestion about where revisionists should put their funds, you could be finding compelling evidence that these were transit camps, which in turn might lead to mounting pressure to do better archeological studies.

Your idea of a good experiment is to request hearsay evidence from random Polish people who happen to live around Belzec in 2025?

[Stubble]

Stubble: Proposes novel way to critically assess witness testimony
Bombsaway: "Just get more witness testimony"

They're not sending their best, are they?

bombsaway be like: "shut it down! "

Can't have actual experiments and forensic analysis... we wouldn't want any lil' doozy getting out.

Literal shut it down moment.

Also another $1 in the Bombsaway Is Not White Retirement Fund i mean Jar

Wait, let's all start keeping a jar, but, instead of using it for retirement, we use it to fund this small scale experiment 'Fangers put up.

The 'Bombsaway Is Not White Holocaust Claims Experiment Jar'?

You in?

[Callafangers]

I'm in, where do I send my fiver?

[AreYouSirius]

You probably won't find anyone who remembers first hand what happened in 1942 but you will find their children.

Oh what a good use of time!

Receiving embellished tales second-hand from a Polish senior citizen regarding what their long-dead parents heard once—which was likely itself a second- or third-hand account of whispers of rumors of Allied atrocity propaganda.

Like a multigenerational game of telephone.

Very serious research here. Mm-hmm.

[Stubble]

I'm in, where do I send my fiver?

I mean, I do got 5 on it doe. If we all chips in, we be funden it in no time homie.

[bombsaway]

I mean these people lived in the town. You don't need rumors, you could just ask your dad what he saw, concerning the thing that made his town famous.

Can I bet on myself being a gentile and make some money? How do I prove this

[AreYouSirius]

I would say that his specifications are unreliable, therefore you would be proving or disproving something fantastical.

Wait I’m confused. Right now I am on LOT Polish Airways website literally cashing in my partner air miles to buy a ticket to Poland in order to go interview the senior-citizen descendents of long-dead Holocaust-adjacent people.

I’m doing this at your suggestion earlier in the thread—that it would be a better use of my time to verify outlandish Holocaust claims.

But now are you telling me that witness testimony is unreliable and fantastical?

My favorite things about you are your integrity and consistency.

[bombsaway]

I would say that his specifications are unreliable, therefore you would be proving or disproving something fantastical.

Wait I’m confused. Right now I am on LOT Polish Airways website literally cashing in my partner air miles to buy a ticket to Poland in order to go interview the senior-citizen descendents of long-dead Holocaust-adjacent people.

I’m doing this at your suggestion earlier in the thread—that it would be a better use of my time to verify outlandish Holocaust claims.

But now are you telling me that witness testimony is unreliable and fantastical?

My favorite things about you are your integrity and consistency.

Only siths think in absolutes.

[Stubble]

Blobel was the guy. This is the foundation of Aktion 1005. You are telling me he forgot how Aktion 1005 worked? How they did the first burning?

I think what you are telling me is that I should believe testimony that comports better with reality instead.

Apparently though, the bodies were the fuel Bombsaway, and jewesses are witches. That's what the testimony tells me.

I can't test a witch burning, but, I can get a pig carcass, bury it, hit it with a couple gallons of diesel and see if she will go. That's where I'm at right now.

[Wahrheitssucher]

…if you went to those towns in Poland and you found collected witness testimony from people who had recollections like, yeah when I asked my father about [what this town was famous for] he said he'd never seen anything like, in fact had seen Jews entering and leaving en masse. This would be much more effective use of money, imo.

Strange why a revisionist wouldn't do that.

At school I had a polish mathematics teacher who was born in Posen in 1923.
He was 16 yrs old when Russia and Germany invaded and occupied Poland.
From 1939 until May 1940 he lived in Lwow in the Soviet occupied part of Poland.
From May 1940 until August 1944 he and his mother and brother managed to relocate and to live in the German occupied part of Poland, in Zolibuz, a suburb of Warsaw. This was arranged as part of an exchange between the Russian Soviets and NSDAP Germany. Russia had taken Polish Jews in exchange for non-Jewish Poles.
When I asked him why he chose to be part of an exchange he told me living under the German occupation was preferable as the treatment was much better in the ‘General Government’ of the German zone of occupation, compared to the Soviet occupied zone.

Here is the identity pass that he was issued with in September 1942 and given by the Germans. (I have blanked out his surname).



He worked in the city centre of Warsaw and travelled the 30 minute journey to and from home by tram.
On August the 1st 1944 began the 63-day struggle by Polish resistance fighters and as a 21 year old he fortuitously had taken what turned out to be the last tram able to leave the city centre. Otherwise he would have been stuck there amidst the fighting.
When the resistance had been crushed he and his mother and brother were marched 10 kms through the devastated centre to Pruszkow. (His father was absent because as a Major in the Polish army he had fought the German invading army in Sept 1939, was captured and so for the rest of the war was a PoW in Bavaria).

In 2018 I visited him in his home with a tape recorder to discuss his war-time memories, in particular to learn what he knew — AT THE TIME — of the treatment of Jews by the occupying 3rd Reich’s military.

When we got onto the topic of ‘the holocaust’ he told me that everyone KNEW “the jews were being exterminated” in the camps. When I asked him exactly how he (they) “knew”, he replied: “we just knew”.
When I pressed him further to give an example of how any instance of such information was received by him or anyone known to him, he looked slightly perplexed and he couldn’t answer.

In other words, he HAD NO ANSWER to that question.

CONCLUSION: his memories of what he knew as a teenager DURING the war had been irretrievably mixed up with what he was told and heard/read AFTER the war.
As is the case with almost all people alive at the time.
As I discovered was ALSO the case with Swedish diplomat Göran von Otter who famously was spoken to by Kurt Gerstein on a train from Warsaw to Berlin in August 1942. I obtained Otter’s diplomatic reports in Swedish before and after the war and they proved that during the war he wrote NOTHING indicating knowledge of an extermination policy. But AFTER the hostilities ended, when the newspapers and newsreels were filled with detailed, anti-German atrocity propaganda, THEN von Otter was suddenly able to retro-actively ‘know’ certain details.

VERDICT:
That a faithful ‘believer’ like Bombsaway thinks interviewing children of people like my mathematics teacher to gain meaningful, credible information that can be used as ‘evidence’ of anything at all to do with the jewish experience during WW2 I find quite astonishing. These ‘believers’ don’t appear to understand anything about human psychology.

If I was a [skeptic] like you guys are, I probably would have done something like that, definitely after the fall of the USSR in the 90s when most elderly people there would have been likely eyewitnesses to either mass murder or transit camp activities. Doh, you missed a huge opportunity there, but there's still time.

The above strikes me as an extremely idiotic viewpoint.

[bombsaway]

I think what you are telling me is that I should believe testimony that comports better with reality instead.

No, I wouldn't trust witness testimony when it comes to details PERIOD, especially if it's many years later, the witness is an alcoholic etc. So yeah, maybe he forgot the details. What wouldn't expect him to forget, eg, is that he was at Chelmno doing body burning experiments and he doesn't.

To Wahrheitssucher, I wouldn't expect your Polish friend to have very much good intel since he was in Warsaw and would only have experienced public deportations.

I am talking about someone from the town, whose parents, or they themselves, would have seen Jews coming in and Jews coming out on the trains, which went along public rail lines.

[bombsaway]

I'm sure revisionists tried to talk to witnesses in these towns, in the 90s, when direct witness would have been in their 60s and 70s. They found one Olzuk (or whatever) who didn't even say anything definitive like seeing trains full of Jews leaving.

[Stubble]

That's rich Bombsaway.

'People can't be expected to remember what they did with their own hands and saw with their own eyes when giving testimony'...

Yea, obviously warnick just misremembered that jewesses are witches....you know, because, he wouldn't make something like that up, or, anything else...

[Wahrheitssucher]

To Wahrheitssucher, I wouldn't expect your Polish friend to have very much good intel…

I seriously and genuinely suggest to you that you have a considerable comprehension deficit.
I’m being serious. That isn’t intended as an insult.
In other words, you appear to me not to be able to process data concisely and coherently.

E.g. a teacher from my distant childhood (who in 2018 I hadn't seen for 56 years) you should have been able to understand was nearly 100 years old when I interviewed him, and therefore is not someone who you could reasonably assume from the info given was “my friend”.
I suggest to you that anyone who could make such a miscalculation /false assumption, from the info I provided, is not likely to be someone who who can decipher and accurately interpret more complex data.

[bombsaway]

That's rich Bombsaway.

'People can't be expected to remember what they did with their own hands and saw with their own eyes when giving testimony'...

Yea, obviously warnick just misremembered that jewesses are witches....you know, because, he wouldn't make something like that up, or, anything else...

Who's warnick? what is this about witches? Did he think someone had magic powers?

To Wahrheitssucher, I wouldn't expect your Polish friend to have very much good intel…

I seriously and genuinely suggest to you that you have a considerable comprehension deficit.
I’m being serious. That isn’t intended as an insult.
In other words, you appear to me not to be able to process data concisely and coherently.

E.g. a teacher from my distant childhood (who in 2018 I hadn't seen for 56 years) you should have been able to understand was nearly 100 years old when I interviewed him, and therefore is not someone who you could reasonably assume from the info given was “my friend”.
Someone who could make such a miscalculation /false assumption from the info I provided, is not likely to be someone who who can decipher and accurately interpret more complex data.

Well apologies good sir, I didn't give it much thought and just assumed you had kept in touch. Don't know what the relevance is though (slow blink emojI)