Archaeological Evidence of Mass Graves at Treblinka II

[Nazgul]

How do bombs leave a series of rectangular shapes, in the ground? Look at the aerial photo and the read the report, which is able to distinguish irregular from regular ground disturbances.

You do not have the nounce to understand chaos theory.
Here are WWII craters. Note the patterns of some of the craters.

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You cherry-pick the reported use of explosives on the site, which was the Soviets joining in with local Poles, who were grave robbing.

Quoting the work of the Jewish Central Committee is not cherry picking.
The Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland, compiled in late 1945, [which] stated that the terrain of the Treblinka II camp had been pulverized with aerial bombs and unexploded artillery duds a few months after its liberation by an engineers unit of the 65th Red Army.
Aerial bombs and shells are not just mere explosives. I doubt if many grave robbers would be there during this bombardment.

[Nessie]

How do bombs leave a series of rectangular shapes, in the ground? Look at the aerial photo and the read the report, which is able to distinguish irregular from regular ground disturbances.

You do not have the nounce to understand chaos theory.
Here are WWII craters. Note the patterns of some of the craters.
hiroshima.jpg

You cherry-pick the reported use of explosives on the site, which was the Soviets joining in with local Poles, who were grave robbing.

Quoting the work of the Jewish Central Committee is not cherry picking.
The Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland, compiled in late 1945, [which] stated that the terrain of the Treblinka II camp had been pulverized with aerial bombs and unexploded artillery duds a few months after its liberation by an engineers unit of the 65th Red Army.
Aerial bombs and shells are not just mere explosives. I doubt if many grave robbers would be there during this bombardment.

Using evidence, not just your thoughts;

1 - Where did all the rectilinear ground disturbances come from?
2- Where did all the cremated and identifiable human remains the Poles identified, in the 1945 survey, unearthed by grave robbers and reburied in 1966 when the memorial was constructed, come from?

[Nazgul]

1 - Where did all the rectilinear ground disturbances come from?

Examine the image below and look at the rectangular craters where two bombs have exploded in close proximity. Reacting and not examining information given to you got you banned for a few weeks in the past. Remember Depth Check?

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2- Where did all the cremated and identifiable human remains the Poles identified, in the 1945 survey, unearthed by grave robbers and reburied in 1966 when the memorial was constructed, come from?

Just rumours.

[Nessie]

1 - Where did all the rectilinear ground disturbances come from?

Examine the image below and look at the rectangular craters where two bombs have exploded in close proximity. Reacting and not examining information given to you got you banned for a few weeks in the past. Remember Depth Check?
craters.jpg

Identify, from the geophysical survey, which features were caused by bombing and explain your evidence.

2- Where did all the cremated and identifiable human remains the Poles identified, in the 1945 survey, unearthed by grave robbers and reburied in 1966 when the memorial was constructed, come from?

Just rumours.

Where is your evidence that evidence is just rumour?

[AreYouSirius]

1 - Where did all the rectilinear ground disturbances come from?

Examine the image below and look at the rectangular craters where two bombs have exploded in close proximity. Reacting and not examining information given to you got you banned for a few weeks in the past. Remember Depth Check?
craters.jpg

Identify, from the geophysical survey, which features were caused by bombing and explain your evidence.

2- Where did all the cremated and identifiable human remains the Poles identified, in the 1945 survey, unearthed by grave robbers and reburied in 1966 when the memorial was constructed, come from?

Just rumours.

Where is your evidence that evidence is just rumour?

“Where is your evidence that evidence is just a rumor?”

What a clunky painful example of pilpul.

[Nazgul]

Identify, from the geophysical survey, which features were caused by bombing and explain your evidence.

How asinine, according to the Jews (Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland) the terrain of the Treblinka II camp had been pulverized ; this means the whole camp. If there were graves there, there would not be after the onslaught of explosive aerial bombs. To pulverize something means to do great damage to it or to destroy it completely. This also explains why your second question is absolute nonsense, nothing could be found after such a bombardment. Perhaps the Jews of the Historical Commission are in error. Do your research.

[HansHill]

Where is your evidence that evidence is just rumour?

[Nessie]

Examine the image below and look at the rectangular craters where two bombs have exploded in close proximity. Reacting and not examining information given to you got you banned for a few weeks in the past. Remember Depth Check?
craters.jpg

Identify, from the geophysical survey, which features were caused by bombing and explain your evidence.

Just rumours.

Where is your evidence that evidence is just rumour?

“Where is your evidence that evidence is just a rumor?”

What a clunky painful example of pilpul.

Nazgul claims geophysics found bomb craters left by the Soviets. I am asking him to identify which geophysical finds were caused by bombs and his evidence for that. He then dismisses archaeological finds of cremated human remains as rumour and I ask him to evidence that.

Clearly, you know he cannot produce any evidence, so you try and excuse his need for evidence.

[Nessie]

Identify, from the geophysical survey, which features were caused by bombing and explain your evidence.

How asinine, according to the Jews (Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland) the terrain of the Treblinka II camp had been pulverized ; this means the whole camp. If there were graves there, there would not be after the onslaught of explosive aerial bombs. To pulverize something means to do great damage to it or to destroy it completely. This also explains why your second question is absolute nonsense, nothing could be found after such a bombardment. Perhaps the Jews of the Historical Commission are in error. Do your research.

The 1945 excavations found human cremate remains up to 7m deep and 2011 geophysical survey found distinct areas of disturbed ground, many of which were rectangular and one with a ramp at one end. Your suggestion is that all of that was caused by the Soviet use of explosives, described by a Commission as "pulverising" the site. You suggest the bombing was from planes.

I am asking you for evidence the disturbed ground was only caused by Soviet bombs, as in the ground was undisturbed prior to the Soviet bombing and to explain and evidence where the cremated remains the bombing unearthed came from?

[Nazgul]

Your suggestion is that all of that was caused by the Soviet use of explosives, described by a Commission as "pulverising" the site. You suggest the bombing was from planes.

It is not my suggestion, it is the report of the Jewish Historical Commission. What do you think aerial bombs as the words they used mean? This is the reality not the concocted nonsense post war by some Polish Soviet inspired commission to investigate war crimes.

[borjastick]

Just to put this into perspective a little and to stop the use of irregular and rather stupid references to Olympic size swimming pools which is designed to aggrandize the impression of size, much like in the UK we always seem to reference everything against the size of a London double decker bus, we should note reality is that Treblinka was about 5 acres in surface land area. Not much at all.

Moreover the whole of Auschwitz with all its sub camps and work areas etc was said to be about 40 square kilometres. Yet the death toll claims are fairly similar 1.1m and about 800k but neither camps has produced mass graves, cremains, means of disposal, bodies, means of death and body disposal proof etc. Odd that.

[Nessie]

Your suggestion is that all of that was caused by the Soviet use of explosives, described by a Commission as "pulverising" the site. You suggest the bombing was from planes.

It is not my suggestion, it is the report of the Jewish Historical Commission. What do you think aerial bombs as the words they used mean? This is the reality not the concocted nonsense post war by some Polish Soviet inspired commission to investigate war crimes.

"The Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland, compiled in late 1945, [which] stated that the terrain of the Treblinka II camp had been pulverized with aerial bombs and unexploded artillery duds a few months after its liberation by an engineers unit of the 65th Red Army. This obliteration of traces of the Treblinka II camp by the Soviets took place because the Soviet propaganda machine tried to attach a 3,500,000 victim-count to this small, 12-hectare transit camp. Apparently, the Soviets were afraid that the Allies might request an international commission of investigation of the camp, as demanded by the November 15th, 1942 report of the underground government of the Warsaw ghetto. The report of the Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland was explicit in putting the blame for this obliteration of the camp where it belonged, on the Red Army, for the: "premeditated destruction of evidence of German crimes and atrocities as well as profanation of partially cremated human remains and ashes."

The 1945 survey by Judge Lukaszkiewicz identified one main area of the camp, that contained cremated human remains, in an area covering 2 hectares in total. The 2011 geophysical survey found specific pits.

The Polish Jewish Historical Commission used emotive terms to condemn the Soviet use of explosives on the site. The Commission believed it was a Soviet attempt to make a site examination impossible, to support their death toll of 3.5 million. That the Poles and Soviets were falling out over what was done at TII, is hardly indicative of a planned Soviet-Jewish hoax, now, is it?

Clearly, from what Lukaszkiewicz and the later surveys found, the site had not been pulverised beyond recognition, destroying all of the evidence, as alleged by the Polish Jewish Historical Commission. You have cherry-picked one article and taken it literally, as your only evidence to support your claim that disturbed ground at the site was due to Soviet bombs.

You refuse to corroborate that, with physical evidence from the site of the camp, identifying which features were caused by bombs. You also hand wave away the fact that the bombs unearthed buried cremated human remains. I have not even got to the issue of grave robbing by local Poles, which the Polish Jewish Historical Commission does not mention, which the Soviets joined in with.

[Nessie]

Just to put this into perspective a little and to stop the use of irregular and rather stupid references to Olympic size swimming pools which is designed to aggrandize the impression of size, much like in the UK we always seem to reference everything against the size of a London double decker bus, we should note reality is that Treblinka was about 5 acres in surface land area. Not much at all.

Moreover the whole of Auschwitz with all its sub camps and work areas etc was said to be about 40 square kilometres. Yet the death toll claims are fairly similar 1.1m and about 800k but neither camps has produced mass graves, cremains, means of disposal, bodies, means of death and body disposal proof etc. Odd that.

https://etheses.bham.ac.uk/id/eprint/35 ... s12PhD.pdf

"Between June and September 1941, a purpose-built
camp was constructed, covering approximately seventeen hectares and surrounded by a
barbed wire fence (Muzeum Walki I Męczeostwa w Treblince 2011)."

"The Central Commission for the Investigation of German Crimes in
Poland (1946: 97-98) recorded that ‘over a surface covering about 2 ha. (5 acres),
there are large quantities of ashes mixed with sand, among which are numerous
human bones, often with the remains of decomposing tissues’."

The camp was 42 acres, with the main mass grave site covering 5 acres. Graves were also located in the area called the Lazarette.

[Nazgul]

Judge Lukaszkiewicz

Judge Zdzisław Łukaszkiewicz was a member of the Main Commission for the Investigation of Nazi Crimes in Poland. The Main Commission was a governmental agency created in 1945 in Poland.
The commission was created in the aftermath of World War II under leadership of the Polish Communist and Auschwitz survivor Alfred Fiderkiewicz. Fiderkiewicz 1927 was imprisoned in Pawiak for several months for nefarious activities. In 1928, he was arrested by the police for a short period and left for Gdańsk, and then for two months to the USSR where he was recruited by the Soviet Secret Police as a spy. I do not think this man is credible, nor the organization which was taken over when the USSR annexed Poland in 1947.

[Nessie]

Judge Lukaszkiewicz

Judge Zdzisław Łukaszkiewicz was a member of the Main Commission for the Investigation of Nazi Crimes in Poland. The Main Commission was a governmental agency created in 1945 in Poland.
The commission was created in the aftermath of World War II under leadership of the Polish Communist and Auschwitz survivor Alfred Fiderkiewicz. Fiderkiewicz 1927 was imprisoned in Pawiak for several months for nefarious activities. In 1928, he was arrested by the police for a short period and left for Gdańsk, and then for two months to the USSR where he was recruited by the Soviet Secret Police as a spy. I do not think this man is credible, nor the organization which was taken over when the USSR annexed Poland in 1947.

You are continuing with your constant theme, of coming up with excuses to dismiss evidence of huge areas of disturbed ground containing cremated remains, rather than evidencing huge areas of undisturbed ground, which would prove no mass graves. You don't find the Commissions set up to investigate Nazi crimes, the Soviets or wartime Polish government in exile, credible, which leaves no one you find credible.

That leaves you with nothing, no evidence, no source of evidence, just your opinion, that there are no mass graves that contained the remains of c850,000 people.