How did the Nazis keep getting people to go into the gas chambers?

[Nessie]

To stop the thread on British intelligence and their knowledge of the Holocaust being derailed, how did the Nazis manage to keep convincing Jews, for so long, that they were going for a shower, when in fact they were going to be gassed?

The doubting, dubious, sceptical mind of the so-called revisionist, wants to know. It is just too hard for them to believe, it was possible.

[borjastick]

They didn't.

[Nessie]

They didn't.

OK, so, with evidence from eyewitnesses who worked at the Kremas in 1944, what did happen to those not selected to work, who were sent to the Kremas?

[Callafangers]

They didn't.

[Nessie]

They didn't.

How about you evidence what happened after the selections.

[Stubble]

They didn't.

+1 for this.

[HansHill]

The absolute state of anti-Revisionists

[Nessie]

This is an example of non-history from so-called revisionists. They refuse to research and evidence what happened, after the selection process, to those sent to the Kremas.

[Keen]

They didn't.

How about you evidence what happened after the selections.

We've moved beyond "evidencing" Nessie, and you know it.

We are now in the realm of proof.

That's why you are so afraid to debate Greg Gerdes.

[Archie]

I'll repost my comment from the other thread.

It seems we have some contradictions here that we will need to resolve.

1) International Zionist groups not only "knew" about the Holocaust, they were able to calculate, as early as 1944, that six million Jews had been killed.

2) British and American diplomatic and intelligence circles do not seem to been convinced, with many being openly skeptical of Jewish claims of extermination. Even the more sympathetic reactions were usually vague.

3) Jews themselves were unaware to the extermination plan throughout the war and continued to fall for the fake shower trick for over three years. This would imply that although the Zionist orgs "knew" in 1942, they were unable to inform their own people. This includes the Hungarian Jews in 1944.

[Nessie]

I'll repost my comment from the other thread.

It seems we have some contradictions here that we will need to resolve.

1) International Zionist groups not only "knew" about the Holocaust, they were able to calculate, as early as 1944, that six million Jews had been killed.

There were calculations of 4, 5 and 6 million killed.

2) British and American diplomatic and intelligence circles do not seem to been convinced, with many being openly skeptical of Jewish claims of extermination. Even the more sympathetic reactions were usually vague.

The British and Americans were initially sceptical of Polish claims about death camps operating in their country. As the war progressed, and more evidence was produced, with much of that coming from escaped Polish and Slovakian prisoners, the west became less sceptical.

3) Jews themselves were unaware to the extermination plan throughout the war and continued to fall for the fake shower trick for over three years. This would imply that although the Zionist orgs "knew" in 1942, they were unable to inform their own people. This includes the Hungarian Jews in 1944.

That, in part, explains how the Nazis were able to get Hungarian and other Jews to enter the Kremas, in 1944, thinking they were going for a shower. Not all were aware, or they were aware but thought it was just rumour. The other part of the explanation is Nazi planning. Tired, hungry, disorientated people arrive on packed trains, to be greeted by armed guards, dogs, in a huge camp, where fellow Jews told them they were going to be showered.

[Callafangers]

3) Jews themselves were unaware to the extermination plan throughout the war and continued to fall for the fake shower trick for over three years. This would imply that although the Zionist orgs "knew" in 1942, they were unable to inform their own people. This includes the Hungarian Jews in 1944.

That, in part, explains how the Nazis were able to get Hungarian and other Jews to enter the Kremas, in 1944, thinking they were going for a shower. Not all were aware, or they were aware but thought it was just rumour. The other part of the explanation is Nazi planning. Tired, hungry, disorientated people arrive on packed trains, to be greeted by armed guards, dogs, in a huge camp, where fellow Jews told them they were going to be showered.

So... if I am hearing abundant rumors of gas-showers, and I'm in a big line of thousands of people, and there's a big smelly furnace where Jews going in clearly are not coming out, I'm going to just chill there (for hours or days, plenty of time to think about it) because there's dogs and 3-4 guards? And not just at a single instance but over and over again, thousands upon thousands with no resistance?

It seems Archie is pointing out the stark disparity of the alleged increasing certainty of "six million" when, simultaneously, Jews in general were able to be fooled by the many thousands at a time, without even the slightest modicum of resistance. This is despite it being well-known that information traveled very effectively through Jewish and communist networks, once "exposed". There is every reason to believe Jews would have not just vague, nebulous rumors but detailed descriptions of whatever had made it out by that time.

Seems a little strange, no?

And did all their fellow Jews tell them, "you're just gonna be showered"? None ever whispered, "it's a trick, fight back!"? It certainly doesn't seem so, given the missing records of massive staffing of German guards and corresponding incident reports for subduing such resistance efforts.

I dunno, Nessie. It's hard to buy what you're selling here. Just sayin'.

[bombsaway]

So the elderly, sick, and little kids fight back, subdue the guards...

And find themselves surrounded by hundreds of soldiers, in a place they're unfamiliar with, hundreds of miles away from friendly territory

Likely infinitesimal chance of survival, much lower than the gas chambers being non homicidal probably, thinking about this purely rationally

Silly revisionists, the absolute state lol

[TlsMS93]

The Allies dropped White Rose leaflets over Germany. Why the hell didn't they drop leaflets in the camps about what was happening or even over territory massively populated by Jews to resist certain death? Does every genocide happen with the complacency of the victims now?

[Archie]

So the elderly, sick, and little kids fight back, subdue the guards...

And find themselves surrounded by hundreds of soldiers, in a place they're unfamiliar with, hundreds of miles away from friendly territory

Likely infinitesimal chance of survival, much lower than the gas chambers being non homicidal probably, thinking about this purely rationally

Silly revisionists, the absolute state lol

It seems the party line is that maybe 1.5 million of the Holocaust victims were children, implying the rest were adults. This cope of yours about how they were all babies (which you also invoke to help you resolve forensic difficulties) is not consistent with the Jewish population characteristics, nor does it make sense to assume any significant fraction of Jews were spared. There were a few million adult men and you need to account for how they were killed as well. If you assume they spared millions of men from the gas chambers the numbers aren't going to work out. In order to kill 6 million Jews, the Germans would have had to have killed basically ALL of the Jews in Poland plus a couple million more in other countries. That isn't possible if you are sparing a huge fraction of the population.

Furthermore, even if you had a particular batch that was too feeble to resist successfully, it would still be unusual if they registered, reported for deportations, got on the trains, and marched into the gas chambers like lambs, all while KNOWING they were to be gassed. Hence we must assume they did not know. But that raises even more questions.

It is also strange that a key part of the story is that JEWS THEMSELVES are said to have be collaborators in the extermination, guiding their fellow Jews into the gas chambers.