The 6,000,000 number, a fable?

[Archie]

Still digging for an older source, part of the nature of occult knowledge is that it is by definition 'hidden' or 'secret' knowledge, thus, tracing it all the way down to Zionist kaballists may be a fruitless endeavor.



That said, this quote from rabbi Blech is presented as it stands.

The number 6 in Jewish mysticism has a negative connotation, that which belongs to the evil inclination, while 7 is its antithesis. Did the Germans build exactly 6 extermination camps or did these people who worship numbers preconceive these camps as such for their founding myth of modern Israel?

There can be no question that 7 is a number of significance in the Bible. The seven days of the creation, the seven seals of Revelation, etc. It is used to represent perfection or completeness. The number 6 would be short of 7. Then you have the mark of the beast of 666, which is a sort of compounded imperfection. There seems to be some symbolism there.

What comes to mind is Tom Segev's book, The Seventh Million. The idea here is that six million were killed in the Holocaust, and the one million survivors (the seventh million) formed the state of Israel.

[Archie]

Bombsaway's continued denial of the six million is interesting to observe. I have to wonder what planet he has been living on with this "5M was actually more popular than 6M theory." I was initially somewhat angry over what seems to be brazen dishonesty but now I can only only chuckle at such boutique, artisanal Holocaust hot takes. Bombs should really consider publishing some of these revolutionary theories, hitherto unknown in Holocaust literature.

The problem I have with the 5M theory (in addition to it being false) is that it fails to explain how the six million became dominant.

[HansHill]

Cambodians did not face centuries of exclusion, repression and threats, in Cambodia, prior to Pol Pot's dictatorship. So there was no reason for Cambodians to write about a possible, impending major event that would affect so many of them. Jews, spread across Europe, did have reason to fear mass repression, in the east. The pre-war concerns were always raised about Jews in Eastern Europe and many of the concerns were about treatment by the Soviets.

Revisionists do not like to discuss anti-Semitism and suppression of Jews, by the Soviets, who they like to claim were Jewish and the source of the Holocaust hoax.

It took time to factually tabulate the death tolls from WWII, especially since the Soviets often produced exaggerated tolls. That the 6 million death toll was being suggested at the end of the war and that became the widely used figure, is because of research and tabulation.

That it tallies with one of the 4, 5 or 6 million Jews at risk predictions before the war, is barely even a coincidence. It appeals only to the conspiratorially minded, who seek to find reasons to believe the Holocaust was a planned hoax. Planned, apparently by anti-Semitic Soviets under Stalin, who never allowed a history to be written about, or memorial erected to, the Holocaust.

I deserve a God damn medal for resisting the urge to fling ad hominems at this drivel, holy s**t. My only solace is that I know everybody reading this tripe is thinking the same ad homs I am. Good god.

You are making the revisionist case for us, without even realising it. The constant blathering on about the impending muh 6 million is utterly absent from other genocides specifically because those genocides weren't "prophesised" (ie - contrived and used for political expedience). The Zionists blathering on about it for half a century, then poofing it out of thin air is the exact point revisionists are making.

This doesn't exist or have any parallel in other genocides because why in God's name would it? This special case, like everything else, exists only for the Holocaust and is obvious to anybody willing to pay 1% attention to how Zionists act.

[borjastick]

It would appear that only the jew converts of the Thirteenth Tribe were hysterical zionists and blabbing on about their impending holocaust of 6m whereas the real jews, those of the Levant and with real connections back to the Holy land and biblical times, were not. If this is not the case perhaps someone could show me writings and texts of speeches and the like from Palestine and way back in the 19th century or before, when the real jews were talking of it.

[Nessie]

Cambodians did not face centuries of exclusion, repression and threats, in Cambodia, prior to Pol Pot's dictatorship. So there was no reason for Cambodians to write about a possible, impending major event that would affect so many of them. Jews, spread across Europe, did have reason to fear mass repression, in the east. The pre-war concerns were always raised about Jews in Eastern Europe and many of the concerns were about treatment by the Soviets.

Revisionists do not like to discuss anti-Semitism and suppression of Jews, by the Soviets, who they like to claim were Jewish and the source of the Holocaust hoax.

It took time to factually tabulate the death tolls from WWII, especially since the Soviets often produced exaggerated tolls. That the 6 million death toll was being suggested at the end of the war and that became the widely used figure, is because of research and tabulation.

That it tallies with one of the 4, 5 or 6 million Jews at risk predictions before the war, is barely even a coincidence. It appeals only to the conspiratorially minded, who seek to find reasons to believe the Holocaust was a planned hoax. Planned, apparently by anti-Semitic Soviets under Stalin, who never allowed a history to be written about, or memorial erected to, the Holocaust.

I deserve a God damn medal for resisting the urge to fling ad hominems at this drivel, holy s**t. My only solace is that I know everybody reading this tripe is thinking the same ad homs I am. Good god.

You are making the revisionist case for us, without even realising it. The constant blathering on about the impending muh 6 million is utterly absent from other genocides specifically because those genocides weren't "prophesised" (ie - contrived and used for political expedience). The Zionists blathering on about it for half a century, then poofing it out of thin air is the exact point revisionists are making.

The point I am making, which you miss, is that eastern European Jews had reason to fear the future. All the writings were about Eastern Europe, not Jews in Western Europe or America. Cambodians, like Western Jews, did not have decades, where they had reason to fear they would be turned upon.

This doesn't exist or have any parallel in other genocides because why in God's name would it? This special case, like everything else, exists only for the Holocaust and is obvious to anybody willing to pay 1% attention to how Zionists act.

It is obvious to anyone with any geopolitical understanding, that it was the Eastern European Jews, who had already endured decades, if not centuries of suppression, repression and isolation, who were most at risk. Eastern Europe was where the largest Jewish population in the world, was settled.

[Nessie]

It would appear that only the jew converts of the Thirteenth Tribe were hysterical zionists and blabbing on about their impending holocaust of 6m whereas the real jews, those of the Levant and with real connections back to the Holy land and biblical times, were not. If this is not the case perhaps someone could show me writings and texts of speeches and the like from Palestine and way back in the 19th century or before, when the real jews were talking of it.

Exactly, and to expand that further, the fears were expressed by some, about one group, the largest, settled in Eastern Europe. French Jews were not writing about threats to them. Jews in the USA were not expressing fears about the Dutch Jews and their future in the Netherlands.

Furthermore, much of the worry, was about the fate of the Jews at the hands of the Soviets, not the Germans, so as prophecies go, it was often not very accurate.

[Stubble]

Cambodians did not face centuries of exclusion, repression and threats, in Cambodia, prior to Pol Pot's dictatorship. So there was no reason for Cambodians to write about a possible, impending major event that would affect so many of them. Jews, spread across Europe, did have reason to fear mass repression, in the east. The pre-war concerns were always raised about Jews in Eastern Europe and many of the concerns were about treatment by the Soviets.

Revisionists do not like to discuss anti-Semitism and suppression of Jews, by the Soviets, who they like to claim were Jewish and the source of the Holocaust hoax.

It took time to factually tabulate the death tolls from WWII, especially since the Soviets often produced exaggerated tolls. That the 6 million death toll was being suggested at the end of the war and that became the widely used figure, is because of research and tabulation.

That it tallies with one of the 4, 5 or 6 million Jews at risk predictions before the war, is barely even a coincidence. It appeals only to the conspiratorially minded, who seek to find reasons to believe the Holocaust was a planned hoax. Planned, apparently by anti-Semitic Soviets under Stalin, who never allowed a history to be written about, or memorial erected to, the Holocaust.

I deserve a God damn medal for resisting the urge to fling ad hominems at this drivel, holy s**t. My only solace is that I know everybody reading this tripe is thinking the same ad homs I am. Good god.

You are making the revisionist case for us, without even realising it. The constant blathering on about the impending muh 6 million is utterly absent from other genocides specifically because those genocides weren't "prophesised" (ie - contrived and used for political expedience). The Zionists blathering on about it for half a century, then poofing it out of thin air is the exact point revisionists are making.

This doesn't exist or have any parallel in other genocides because why in God's name would it? This special case, like everything else, exists only for the Holocaust and is obvious to anybody willing to pay 1% attention to how Zionists act.

You deserve a few medals sir.

[Stubble]

Still digging for an older source, part of the nature of occult knowledge is that it is by definition 'hidden' or 'secret' knowledge, thus, tracing it all the way down to Zionist kaballists may be a fruitless endeavor.



That said, this quote from rabbi Blech is presented as it stands.

The number 6 in Jewish mysticism has a negative connotation, that which belongs to the evil inclination, while 7 is its antithesis. Did the Germans build exactly 6 extermination camps or did these people who worship numbers preconceive these camps as such for their founding myth of modern Israel?

There can be no question that 7 is a number of significance in the Bible. The seven days of the creation, the seven seals of Revelation, etc. It is used to represent perfection or completeness. The number 6 would be short of 7. Then you have the mark of the beast of 666, which is a sort of compounded imperfection. There seems to be some symbolism there.

What comes to mind is Tom Segev's book, The Seventh Million. The idea here is that six million were killed in the Holocaust, and the one million survivors (the seventh million) formed the state of Israel.

Christian interpretation favors 7. jewish interpretation is different.

https://ohr.edu/ask_db/ask_main.php/277/Q1/

The number 666 has significance as the numerical value of the Hebrew verse: "Ata yigdal na koach Ado-nai -- Now, I pray, let the Power of my Lord be great." (Numbers 14:17). This was Moshe's prayer invoking Divine Mercy on behalf of the Jewish People.

"Mosad Hayesod" cites the Vilna Gaon's commentary on the Zohar that "the number 666 contains hidden within it exalted and lofty messianic potential." No other explanation is offered there.

[bombsaway]

Cambodians had no recent history of persecution.

How do you guys feel about what's happening to farmers in South Africa? Compare that to what happened to Jews in the Russian empire

[HansHill]

Cambodians had no recent history of persecution.

How do you guys feel about what's happening to farmers in South Africa? Compare that to what happened to Jews in the Russian empire

I interpret "you guys" to mean "White guys". I am in turn interpreting this as Bombsaway is not White.

inb4 - Tha's off topic

Don't care, the question itself is off topic.

[bombsaway]

Cambodians had no recent history of persecution.

How do you guys feel about what's happening to farmers in South Africa? Compare that to what happened to Jews in the Russian empire

I interpret "you guys" to mean "White guys". I am in turn interpreting this as Bombsaway is not White.

inb4 - Tha's off topic

Don't care, the question itself is off topic.

You guys as in revisionists, and perhaps more broadly those with a lot of ethnic solidarity towards "whites", which yeah I don't have.

Trump and Elon spoke of "white genocide" happening there. What happened to the Jews czarist Russia is unquestionably worse, conservative estimates place the death toll in the tens of thousands. It's natural for groups with ethnic solidarity to speak up about injustices. This is an expected feature, nothing to do with a hoax perpetuated mainly by the USSR.

[Stubble]

A thread regarding the events in South Africa;

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=414

[bombsaway]

A thread regarding the events in South Africa;

https://www.codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=414

I think the point is, that people with ethnic solidarity play up the dangers their brethren are in. Of course, if your pattern recognition is out of whack, you see this as evidence of hoaxing. Imagine if a million south africans were actually genocided, deniers of that could use this same argument.

[Stubble]

I don't think that's the point at all Bombsaway, I think the point is that a 50 odd year lie grew into an 80 odd year myth.

This isn't a 'all groups do this' thing. This is a lie, that was institutionalized and shoved down everyone's throat.

Call me mashugana for noticing a trend if it makes you feel better, I suppose that's always what is done when one 'notices' too much. Seems a bit 'on the nose' if you ask me though.

[Callafangers]

I think the point is, that people with ethnic solidarity play up the dangers their brethren are in. Of course, if your pattern recognition is out of whack, you see this as evidence of hoaxing. Imagine if a million south africans were actually genocided, deniers of that could use this same argument.

How much of the global media, Hollywood/entertainment, publishers, academia, etc. do South Africans control?

How much global wealth do they have, and how much of their influence saturates key institutions in politics, law, medicine, military, law enforcement, finance, and more?

How well-coordinated are South Africans, with their equivalent of international Chabad centers in every country, federations (like Jewish federations), and organizations like the World Jewish Congress, Conference of Presidents, and more?

bombsaway thinks Jews are organized just like South Africans, so there must be equivalence between them. Can bombsaway really think this?

Power structures aside, does bombsaway deny a pattern of subversive, unpatriotic, tribal behavior present in Judaism that is not as common nor present among South Africans?

Has anyone been able to fill an entire book on the problematic behavior of organized South Africans? Here's one (of hundreds) about Jews:

'When Victims Rule: A Critique of Jewish Pre-Eminence in America'
https://archive.org/stream/WhenVictimsR ... a_djvu.txt

And another:

'Against Our Better Judgment: The Hidden History Of How The US Was Used To Create Israel'
https://ia600600.us.archive.org/25/item ... _137pp.pdf

What percentage of what is in these books does bombsaway suppose is a lie, or a mistake? 10%? 25%? 50%? Even if we assume such a great proportion of errors/lies, that's still a ton of Jewish mischief widely unknown and unaddressed by the Jewish community or in the historical record at-large.

This combination of (1) Jewish power controlling public knowledge and opinion through media/education/etc., and (2) this same media/education/etc. specifically omitting Jewish misbehavior serves as one of many clear convergences of evidence highlighting how Jews misuse their power.

Whether we cut it by means or by motive, it just isn't there for South Africans, but it's all there for Jews and their networks.

That's why we can point to things like the Armenian Holocaust or to the deaths of South Africans and say that the narrative of these is far more likely to be based on sincere, impartial reporting than are narratives materially benefiting Jewish interests.