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by Churchill
Sat Feb 22, 2025 1:47 pm
Forum: Holocaust Research & Discussion
Topic: Revisionism in the Arts and Film
Replies: 3
Views: 33

Re: Revisionism in the Arts and Film

The Fuehrer in Perspective (1974) Review of a Hitler biography by the famous novelist and intellectual, Colin Wilson. Supportive comments are made in the article about Richard Verrall’s revisionist booklet, Did Six Million Really Die? Wilson expresses his surprise at the article and finds it r ...
by Churchill
Sat Feb 22, 2025 1:45 pm
Forum: Holocaust Research & Discussion
Topic: Revisionism in the Arts and Film
Replies: 3
Views: 33

Revisionism in the Arts and Film

There’s understandably a lot of frustration from revisionists over the sheer volume of holocaust and WWII related films and media - see various threads on here. In seeing the other side of this, I have noticed a fair amount of implicit (more rarely, explicit) revisionist themes or topics in very f ...
by Churchill
Tue Feb 18, 2025 11:44 am
Forum: Holocaust Research & Discussion
Topic: Core Arguments For and Against the Mainstream Account
Replies: 46
Views: 2330

Re: Core Arguments For and Against the Mainstream Account

Broader geography for the Holocaust would be considering regions and countries: histories of the persecution and murder of Jews in the Warthegau, not just histories of Chelmno; histories of the Holocaust in Lithuania, and so on. But also histories of the concentration camp system such as Nikolaus ...
by Churchill
Sun Feb 16, 2025 9:46 am
Forum: Holocaust Research & Discussion
Topic: Core Arguments For and Against the Mainstream Account
Replies: 46
Views: 2330

Re: Core Arguments For and Against the Mainstream Account

I think the simplest argument for the mainstream account is that it is an account: it can produce historical narratives from a variety of perspectives and levels, with much broader coverage geographically and thematically, based on sources. Revisionism is hardly ever presented in narrative form ...
by Churchill
Sun Feb 16, 2025 9:42 am
Forum: Holocaust Research & Discussion
Topic: Core Arguments For and Against the Mainstream Account
Replies: 46
Views: 2330

Re: Core Arguments For and Against the Mainstream Account

I see, you are saying the policy was to murder a certain fraction (the unfit), in certain Locations but not others? This being the case, and I do not believe you have answered yet: why stop the murder in 1944? When you say in statement 1.) that the genocide had already happened, did you mean that ...
by Churchill
Fri Feb 14, 2025 12:13 am
Forum: Holocaust Research & Discussion
Topic: Core Arguments For and Against the Mainstream Account
Replies: 46
Views: 2330

Re: Core Arguments For and Against the Mainstream Account

Genocide does not equate to 100% extermination. The original definition by Lemkin was broader and more indirect, the UN convention on genocide explicitly includes 'in whole or in part'. If we expect 100% extermination before using the term genocide, then there never has been a genocide in modern ...
by Churchill
Thu Feb 13, 2025 11:11 pm
Forum: Holocaust Research & Discussion
Topic: Core Arguments For and Against the Mainstream Account
Replies: 46
Views: 2330

Re: Core Arguments For and Against the Mainstream Account

1.)Ultimately, the genocide had already happened, 2.)since the surviving Jewish KZ inmates of 1944-45 [Edited original text above for clarification] Statements 1.) and 2.) appear to contradict one another. Can you explain what you mean here? Genocide does not equate to 100% extermination. The ...
by Churchill
Thu Feb 13, 2025 12:08 pm
Forum: Holocaust Research & Discussion
Topic: Core Arguments For and Against the Mainstream Account
Replies: 46
Views: 2330

Re: Core Arguments For and Against the Mainstream Account

SanityCheck wrote: Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:21 am

1.)Ultimately, the genocide had already happened,
2.)since the surviving Jewish KZ inmates of 1944-45
[Edited original text above for clarification]

Statements 1.) and 2.) appear to contradict one another. Can you explain what you mean here?
by Churchill
Wed Feb 12, 2025 7:09 pm
Forum: Holocaust Research & Discussion
Topic: Core Arguments For and Against the Mainstream Account
Replies: 46
Views: 2330

Re: Core Arguments For and Against the Mainstream Account

This covers most of what gets debated. And then we could throw in a fifth category for everything else 5 - Other (many of these will be indirect or "meta" arguments or philosophical points) S23. Astonishing silence from mainstream historians from the 1950s to the 1970s regarding the Holocaust in ...
by Churchill
Wed Feb 12, 2025 6:20 pm
Forum: Holocaust Research & Discussion
Topic: Core Arguments For and Against the Mainstream Account
Replies: 46
Views: 2330

Re: Core Arguments For and Against the Mainstream Account

Many thanks for contributions above. I don't object to the idea and can contribute when I get the chance, but this is more difficult and involved than one might guess. For people who are new to the topic, I think it is a mistake to try to present EVERYTHING. The fire hose approach just doesn't work ...
by Churchill
Mon Feb 10, 2025 4:38 pm
Forum: Holocaust Research & Discussion
Topic: Core Arguments For and Against the Mainstream Account
Replies: 46
Views: 2330

Core Arguments For and Against the Mainstream Account

This post is partly for self-clarification and partly as I haven’t seen a similar summary to the below elsewhere. Perhaps someone could point me to a similar presentation if it exists. I created lists below to summarise key arguments both for and against the mainstream Holocaust account. One could a ...