Alleged Treblinka extermination location
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2024 9:03 am
Treblinka Extermination Camp location.
This has been posted elsewhere, but as an ongoing research project with very limited funds, I would like those interested to discuss the issues outlined below.
There are many conflicting reports on the location of the Treblinka extermination camp, from Malkinia, Czerwony -bor, TII KZ judenlager and Kosow Laski (Podlaski). The first interesting point was the first Wiernik map of Treblinka which was rectangle and puts the camp next to the Warsaw line to Malkinia. I am responding to another poster here, but here is the gist. I will add more as I find many scattered files from lost hardware.
This has been posted elsewhere, but as an ongoing research project with very limited funds, I would like those interested to discuss the issues outlined below.
There are many conflicting reports on the location of the Treblinka extermination camp, from Malkinia, Czerwony -bor, TII KZ judenlager and Kosow Laski (Podlaski). The first interesting point was the first Wiernik map of Treblinka which was rectangle and puts the camp next to the Warsaw line to Malkinia. I am responding to another poster here, but here is the gist. I will add more as I find many scattered files from lost hardware.
Nazgul wrote: ↑Tue Nov 19, 2024 3:09 amThe transit camp was located close to the top reddish tear drop in the image below. This camp is directly north of the Treblinka railway station.
To be fair this is well within walking distance of the camp and no trains needed. In fact there is no railway to this transit camp.
The Holocaust Encyclopedia puts the Treblinka camp NW 4 km. From where the Treblinka station was, 4km NW was marked out until it reaches the current railway line to Warsaw. this is the end of the yellow line. This fits in with Wierniks first map that places Treblinka next to and south of the Warsaw-Bialystok trunk line.
Here is Wierniks first map. He has North, NE to his camp location. This is an issue as the railway runs directly east to west, with north being directly straight up.
Potential location on Google Earth.
Being out in compass direction is common in the maps of the Treblinka camps. As you may well know, the current location called TII lay alongside the Malkinia - Siedlce railway line. This used to run in a North- South direction where the camp is. The following map of Treblinka II site has north pointing towards the East; this is entirely the wrong map orientation.
The error is repeated in other maps, perhaps copied from the first. These maps were apparently drawn by professional cartographer or surveyor; I find it hard to believe that a professional could make such an amateurish mistake.
Below is a modern map. Note the error is corrected.
I realise that both maps are on slightly different angles, so the Serveyors map was orientated 28 degrees so that the spur line is running close to parallel to each in both maps. The rotated image is below to compare and contrast the position North in both maps. The bottom map does correspond with the current location of TII but the surveyors maps do not. Either the surveyor is not worth the salt he is paid to, or he has surveyed another area.
North is still well out. If surveyors can get it wrong, I am sure Wiernik could as well.
Keep in mind that just south of the current TII was purported to be the extermination camp of Kosow Podlaski. This was confirmed by the elders of the village of Wolka Okraglik. Here is the CIA entry.
The early CIA had the following entry for the Treblinka camps; they thought Malkinia was a correctional centre.
From this the current TII, is the Judenlager, called a kz in the entry. TIII has been placed in the Czerwony bor forest. This needs more investigation.
"The Treblinka-III camp was listed as "the death camp" for the Jews and was reported to be located at Czerwony Bor. As late as in 1944, its existence was also mentioned in the renowned wartime publication Ghetto Speaks published in New York (Encl. 6). The remote Czerwony Bor (Red Forest) was (and is) located forty kilometers north of the Treblinka-I and Treblinka-II camps. Additional documents regarding Treblinka-III are available from the Polish Historical Society in the USA (tel. 203--325--1079) and archives of the Polish Underground Study Trust in London (tel. 011-4481-992-6057)."...John Demjanjuk amicus curiae
Czerwony bor is now the site of a current penal institution.
