Nessie's epic fail on Belzec

[Keen]

This thread was supposed to be about resettlement

From the OP:

Recently, my partner Nessie and I joined forces and accepted Stubbles challenge... Nessie and I believe that the only way to put an end to the resettlement debate is to simply show people the conclusive archaeological / forensic / scientific PROOF... Our belief is as simple as it gets: We simply prove that what has been alleged to have been proven about the huge mass graves has actually been proven... A retarded 4th grader could figure out the simplicity of our position. After all, if we can't prove that those jews are buried where the orthodox holocaust story says they are bureid, then we don't have a leg to stand on in the resettlement debate... we set out to shove the truth about the 600,000 jews that we thought were buried in 33 "huge mass graves" at Belzec down Subble's throat... I'm sure I speak for my partner Nessie when I say that we are sorry for making unsubstantiated allegations about those 600,000 jews being "proven" to be buried at Belzec... If anyone believes that Nessie and I missed something about the "huge mass graves" of Belzec, they are more than welcome to post their proof in this thread.

[Keen]

To really prove no mass graves, there would be evidence that the ground where witnesses claimed mass graves were located, was undisturbed

Nessie,

Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Non-nefarious diggings for such things as garbage pits, cellars, wells, latrines, septic pits, etc. - were dug at Belzec, Chilmno, Sobibor and Treblinka II - ??

[Keen]

this thread is about Belzec, not TII.

Yes it is Nessie, and we are waiting for you to answer the following simple questions:

H - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - ??

I - Can you provide credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

J - Is there a preponderance of credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

K - Can it be conclusively proven that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

L - Is it a fact that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec, - Yes. - or - No. - ??

M - Can you conclusively prove that archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of mass graves at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

1 - In total, how many single, disconnected human teeth have been tangibly discovered within the 33 alleged Belzec graves / cremation pits in question: _?_.

5 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least an iota of human remains: _?_.

9 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 2 human beings: _?_.

13 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 23 human beings: _?_.

17 - Of the 33 alleged Belzec graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains is number: _?_.

What are you waiting for Sergay?

What are you so afraid of?

[Nessie]

The Commission was condemning the Soviets for destroying evidence, not that they were using it as a "range".

The lack of comprehension by the above poster is wanting. Let me highlight the important bits.
The Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland, compiled in late 1945, [which] stated that the terrain of the Treblinka II camp had been pulverized with aerial bombs and unexploded artillery duds a few months after its liberation by an engineers unit of the 65th Red Army.

To pulverize something means to do great damage to it or to destroy it completely; this is not just destroying evidence.

While the thread is on Belzec, my response was due to the posters derailing here

You have linked to me getting the thread back on track, quoting Keen stating that it was about resettlement. He regards resettlement to mean burial.

[Keen]

The Commission was condemning the Soviets for destroying evidence, not that they were using it as a "range".

The lack of comprehension by the above poster is wanting. Let me highlight the important bits.
The Central Jewish Historical Commission in Poland, compiled in late 1945, [which] stated that the terrain of the Treblinka II camp had been pulverized with aerial bombs and unexploded artillery duds a few months after its liberation by an engineers unit of the 65th Red Army.

To pulverize something means to do great damage to it or to destroy it completely; this is not just destroying evidence.

While the thread is on Belzec, my response was due to the posters derailing here

You have linked to me getting the thread back on track, quoting Keen stating that it was about resettlement. He regards resettlement to mean burial.

From the OP:

Recently, my partner Nessie and I joined forces and accepted Stubbles challenge... Nessie and I believe that the only way to put an end to the resettlement debate is to simply show people the conclusive archaeological / forensic / scientific PROOF

Our belief is as simple as it gets: We simply prove that what has been alleged to have been proven about the huge mass graves has actually been proven... A retarded 4th grader could figure out the simplicity of our position.

After all, if we can't prove that those jews are buried where the orthodox holocaust story says they are bureid, then we don't have a leg to stand on in the resettlement debate

[Keen]

I said...

What you said was this:

Keen:

bombsaway, using your own standard of proof:

Did the "study" prove that each and every one of the 33 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" actually contained human remians - Yes. - or - No. - ??

by bombsaway » Tue Sep 23, 2025 7:11 pm:

Yes.

So, bombsaway:

H - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - ??

I - Can you provide credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

J - Is there a preponderance of credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

K - Can it be conclusively proven that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

L - Is it a fact that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec, - Yes. - or - No. - ??

M - Can you conclusively prove that archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of mass graves at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

1 - In total, how many single, disconnected human teeth have been tangibly discovered within the 33 alleged Belzec graves / cremation pits in question: _?_.

5 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least an iota of human remains: _?_.

9 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 2 human beings: _?_.

13 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 23 human beings: _?_.

17 - Of the 33 alleged Belzec graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains is number: _?_.

Now let's sit back and watch the cornered rat squirm!

[Nazgul]

You have linked to me getting the thread back on track, quoting Keen stating that it was about resettlement. He regards resettlement to mean burial.

We all know Keen is Gerdes. Ignore his methods of investigation.

[Keen]

I said...

What you said was this:

Keen:

bombsaway, using your own standard of proof:

Did the "study" prove that each and every one of the 33 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" actually contained human remians - Yes. - or - No. - ??

by bombsaway » Tue Sep 23, 2025 7:11 pm:

Yes.

So, bombsaway:

H - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - ??

I - Can you provide credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

J - Is there a preponderance of credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

K - Can it be conclusively proven that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

L - Is it a fact that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec, - Yes. - or - No. - ??

M - Can you conclusively prove that archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of mass graves at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

1 - In total, how many single, disconnected human teeth have been tangibly discovered within the 33 alleged Belzec graves / cremation pits in question: _?_.

5 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least an iota of human remains: _?_.

9 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 2 human beings: _?_.

13 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 23 human beings: _?_.

17 - Of the 33 alleged Belzec graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains is number: _?_.

Now let's sit back and watch the cornered rat squirm!

[Keen]

this thread is about Belzec, not TII.

Yes it is Nessie, and we are waiting for you to answer the following simple questions:

H - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - ??

I - Can you provide credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

J - Is there a preponderance of credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

K - Can it be conclusively proven that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

L - Is it a fact that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec, - Yes. - or - No. - ??

M - Can you conclusively prove that archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of mass graves at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

1 - In total, how many single, disconnected human teeth have been tangibly discovered within the 33 alleged Belzec graves / cremation pits in question: _?_.

5 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least an iota of human remains: _?_.

9 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 2 human beings: _?_.

13 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 23 human beings: _?_.

17 - Of the 33 alleged Belzec graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains is number: _?_.

What are you waiting for Sergay?

What are you so afraid of?

[Nessie]

You have linked to me getting the thread back on track, quoting Keen stating that it was about resettlement. He regards resettlement to mean burial.

We all know Keen is Gerdes. Ignore his methods of investigation.

It is weird how both you and Keen both want to dictate to me what I should do.

You both have methods of investigation, that are unique to you and bear no resemblance to how historians or criminal investigators work.

[Keen]

This thread is about Belzec.

Yes it is Nessie, and we are waiting for you to answer the following simple questions:

H - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - ??

I - Can you provide credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

J - Is there a preponderance of credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

K - Can it be conclusively proven that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

L - Is it a fact that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec, - Yes. - or - No. - ??

M - Can you conclusively prove that archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of mass graves at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

1 - In total, how many single, disconnected human teeth have been tangibly discovered within the 33 alleged Belzec graves / cremation pits in question: _?_.

5 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least an iota of human remains: _?_.

9 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 2 human beings: _?_.

13 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 23 human beings: _?_.

17 - Of the 33 alleged Belzec graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains is number: _?_.

What are you waiting for Sergay?

What are you so afraid of?

[bombsaway]

Wait Keen, it seems like you accept my answer here

Did the "study" prove that each and every one of the 33 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" actually contained human remians - Yes. - or - No. - ??

What do you think? If we disagree here then it makes sense to hash it out. Also 'proving' and 'fraudulently' blatantly contradict, I obviously don't think the study was fraudulent.

[Keen]

Keen:

bombsaway, using your own standard of proof:

Did the "study" prove that each and every one of the 33 fraudulently alleged "huge mass graves" actually contained human remians - Yes. - or - No. - ??

bombsaway:

Yes.

I obviously don't think the study was fraudulent.

So, bombsaway:

H - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - ??

I - Can you provide credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

J - Is there a preponderance of credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

K - Can it be conclusively proven that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

L - Is it a fact that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec, - Yes. - or - No. - ??

M - Can you conclusively prove that archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of mass graves at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??

1 - In total, how many single, disconnected human teeth have been tangibly discovered within the 33 alleged Belzec graves / cremation pits in question: _?_.

5 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least an iota of human remains: _?_.

9 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 2 human beings: _?_.

13 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 23 human beings: _?_.

17 - Of the 33 alleged Belzec graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains is number: _?_.

Now let's sit back and watch the cornered rat squirm!

[bombsaway]

I asked you the same question and you're unwilling to answer. So touche

[Callafangers]

I will be the first to say that Keen's approach can be quite redundant (even disruptive) but, let's be honest, these are some good questions. Here's my best guess at how Nessie would answer them:

H - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - ??
True, discovered by Kola and others.

I - Can you provide credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??
Yes, same as above. Kola's reports speak to his findings, as do the photographs which I assume are representative.

J - Is there a preponderance of credible and convincing evidence that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??
Yes, a team of individuals participated in the excavations and took core samples, which found and documented a pattern of human remains.

K - Can it be conclusively proven that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??
Yes, it logically follows that the pattern of samples taken and consistency between them suggest that corpse material was widespread in these areas.

L - Is it a fact that mass graves have actually been discovered by archaeologists / forensic investigators at Belzec, - Yes. - or - No. - ??
Yes, the evidence reflects this.

M - Can you conclusively prove that archaeologists / forensic investigators have actually located / proven the existence of mass graves at Belzec - Yes. - or - No. - ??
Yes, by careful review of the documentation provided, it appears conclusively demonstrated that mass graves exist at Belzec.

1 - In total, how many single, disconnected human teeth have been tangibly discovered within the 33 alleged Belzec graves / cremation pits in question: _?_.
This has not been precisely documented. But if I'm honest, very few teeth are explicitly documented (likely dozens at most).

5 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove actually exist and currently contain at least an iota of human remains: _?_.
The exact dimensions and layout of the graves is determined by the patterns in which core samples were documented as positive for human remains, with each sample typically about 5 meters apart in a grid pattern. This may not be precise or reliable as an indication of what lies between the 5 meter gaps, but I align these findings with witness statements to say this is sufficient. While the contents of each core sample necessarily being any certain percentage of human remains is often uncertain, there is frequently at least a significant portion of ash layer within these samples, and sometimes corpses in wax-fat transformation on the bottom layer.

9 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 2 human beings: _?_.
I would simply list here any/all of the 33 graves which are documented to have any variety of human material (e.g. hair, wax-fat, ash with presumed or visible bone matter).

13 - List all of the Belzec graves / cremation pits in question that you can conclusively prove currently contain the remains of at least 23 human beings: _?_.
I would simply list here any/all of the 33 graves which have sufficient ash layers to be interpreted as potentially containing a large quantity of crushed-cremated human remains. Many of the reported graves have significant ash layers within the samples taken.

17 - Of the 33 alleged Belzec graves / cremation pits in question - the one that you can conclusively prove currently contains the most human remains is number: _?_.
[I'll let Nessie sort this out but presumably the one with the largest continuous range of positive core samples with wide and consistent ash layers.]