Truth about Jewish Expulsions

[ConfusedJew]

Throughout history, especially in Christian Europe, Jews were systematically restricted from many professions and denied political rights due to religious prejudice and social scapegoating.

Jews were not allowed to own land or farm during most of medieval Europe because they were seen as outsiders so they were pushed into urban occupations. To this day, you still see Jews mostly living in urban areas.

Jews were also excluded from craft guilds which controlled skill trades like blacksmithing, carpentry, and masonry. The guilds often had religious components like Christian oaths and saint worship so they barred non-Christians from joining.

Jews were often forbidden from serving in military, public office, or the judiciary because they were assumed to be politically disloyal due to religious differences.

Jews were barred from most universities until the 1800s and even then, they often could not teach, earn degrees, or hold academic positions.

Some areas did allow Jews to practice medicine, especially as physicians to royalty, but they were sometimes banned, especially from treating Christians.

Jews were pushed into other professions in which they become disproportionately represented. The Church banned Christians from charging interest (usury), so Jewish lenders filled the economic niche. Even though they had little choice in the matter, they were later vilified as greedy or exploitative which created lasting antisemitic stereotypes.

Some monarchs used Jews as tax collectors, financiers, or middlemen which made them dependent on royal protection. However it made them easy targets when kings defaulted or political winds changed. They also often became merchants, importers/exporters, or peddlers.

After the 16th century, Jews were forced to live in ghettos which were locked at night and often became overcrowded. They were also forced to wear pointed hats and yellow badges to distinguish them from the Christian populations beginning in 1215.

Jews were often banned from owning homes or real estate.

Many courts did not allow Jewish testimony against Christians to be admissible. This prevented them from being able to legally defend themselves in disputes with non Jews.

They were forbidden from proselytizing and sometimes barred from building new synagogues, or even repairing old ones.

They often required special travel passes or permits to move around.

Jews were also barred from owning horses or weapons in many places.

Motivation Behind the Restrictions

The motivations behind these prohibitions were often religiously based as Christians blamed Jews for not accepting Jesus. They often tried to forcefully convert Jews.

Other times, Jews were scapegoated for financial hardships. Rulers who borrowed money would often expel Jews to avoid repayment.

[ConfusedJew]

To take just one example, Jews overwhelmingly have run pornography businesses in numerous countries for over a century.

E.g. Solomon Friedman is the new owner of PornHub. He is a Jewish attorney and a rabbi.

Top Jewish pornographer admits Jews have controlled the Porn Industry from its very beginnings | August 20, 2019
https://christiansfortruth.com/top-jewi ... eginnings/

In Israel, pornography, rape incest and paedeophilia is apparently endemic.
Here are three reports, one a Jewish-Israeli source:
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/photo ... tes-604876

https://beeley.substack.com/p/israel-gi ... ceremonies

https://beeley.substack.com/p/israels-c ... -and-child

There are numerous statements purportedly coming from Jewish porm moguls themselves stating that Jews deliberately go into pornography as a means to "pollute" Christian culture. E.g. “When [Jewish porn producer Al Goldstein] was asked why the Jews dominate the porn industry, he said: 'The only reason that the Jews play a role in the porn industry is that we hate Christ”.

Then there are facts such as the Talmud permitting Jews to engage in sexual intercourse with babies under the age of three. If that isn’t a “strange sexual proclivity” what do you call it?

Even Israeli news-outlets are reporting how jewish paedophiles seek sanctuary in Israel:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/with-pedo ... tect-kids/

https://www.humanium.org/en/exposing-pe ... in-israel/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish ... in-israel/

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-741881

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/tens- ... ear-637393

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/201 ... 7f5a370000

Then there is Jeffrey Epstein and the Zionist Israeli-funded child-prostitution empire, and blackmail racket.

So two questions for Confused Jew:
1. do you regard a preoccupation with industrialising and profiting from pornography, permitting and encouraging paedophilia, rape and incest as “unusual sexual proclivity”?

2. Do you deny these reports of these being over-represented in Jewish society?

I wish you would stop derailing the conversation but to answer your question:

No I do not consider involvement in the pornography industry to be unusual sexual proclivity. It is a legal business activity and it has been for thousands of years. It is like gambling and drugs. It's entertainment and carries some social harms, like many things, but it is within the realm of what is part of individual freedom in the West.

Pedophilia, rape, and incest sure, they are universally considered to be harmful behavior. I have not seen any reason to believe that those behaviors are significantly over represented among Jews let alone overrepresented at all. You are free to show me evidence of this but even if it is true, I don't see why it would matter for the entire group. Seems stupid and racist to me.

[Wahrheitssucher]

I can tell that you're getting very emotional here…

Heh he. No, you can’t as I’m definitely not getting “very emotional”. You perhaps have unwarranted confidence in your powers of perception. Or are psychologically projecting that as a subconscious defensive mechanism for your own cognitive dissonance.

… I suggest that you simply use logic and facts to respond without resorting to emotional language like "blatantly false". … I suggest you simply rely on cold hard facts and logic…

I just gave a great many purported facts using “simple logic”. I provided the sources for these facts. So I logically and unemotionally suggest to you AGAIN that the evidence demonstrates your belief and claim definitely is “blatantly false”.

…if you are right and can back up your arguments clearly and concisely then the truth will be discovered.

Jews have not been expelled from 1,030 countries. There are not 1,030 countries today, and countries are a fairly recent development of the past few hundred years.

I agree and accept correction.
The sentence should read “Jews have been expelled about 1030 times from numerous countries”.

…there is no need to exaggerate or get emotional. Precision and accuracy will only help.

I completely agree.

When you said that “No person who believed and practiced Judaism was asked during WW2 to convert to a religion”, you are arguing a red herring.

No. I am refuting the obvious and blatant falsity of YOUR claim. This one:

…the real reason that Jews have been persecuted for millennia is that they refused to convert to a religion that they did not believe was true.

Your long list of expulsions is either factually inaccurate, but in cases where it is, it cherry picks incidents where ruling powers using claims of sedition, economic manipulation, or sacrilege to harm or murder Jews.

That is an incoherent sentence. Are you perhaps responding “emotionally”?
That might explain why you feel unable to address logically and fairly the small number of examples of the 1030 cases of jewish expulsion from so many countries over a millennium that I provided evidence of.

…for now let's continuing discussing whether refusal to accept Jesus was a large source of Jewish persecution. I'm not saying that it was the only reason, but it was the biggest reason throughout history.

No thanks. I don’t agree that that was “the biggest reason”. I think you are either extremely ill-informed or are attempting to deceive. I’m not sure yet which it is.

You believe that the blood libel claims were true. That is worth a separate thread. I don't think this was true in any single case, let alone all of them./

Yes I believe the charges were accurate. I was shocked when I looked into it as I believed for decades our mutual conditioning that it was a repulsive and grotesque anti-semitic hate trope. But the evidence for it is overwhelmingly if you look at it with an open mind. The most recent cases in particular have a wealth of credible and convincing evidence for it being an actual weird ceremony practiced over centuries by some strange jewish sect. The fact that Sir Richard Burton investigated and researched the case in his own time and wrote a book detailing his findings which has been censored and purchased by jewish groups so that NO-ONE can read that evidence is further evidence of a jewish cover-up of a credible fact over centuries that jews don’t want to be known.

Even if they were true, which I still reject, then it still wouldn't warrant punishing a group of people. Would you think it was fair to be violently punished if your mom or sister was caught stealing?

You are moving the goalposts. Your own red-herring. Not a good indication of someone genuinely discussing in good faith.

Beyond persecution for not accepting Jesus, Jews were also scapegoated during plagues, economic crises, and wars. There was also envy that Jews were wealthy because they were forced into moneylending since other professions were closed off to them. Do you think that they shouldn't have been allowed to own land just because they were Jewish?

The topic is about expulsions. It is not about whether people here approve of them. I suggest you are trying to change the subject of this topic-thread AWAY from the “truth of Jewish expulsions”. I also suspect and suggest it is because you aren’t very familiar with the topic and so are having difficulty absorbing the considerable, reputable and authoritative factual evidence I’ve provided which refutes your current belief that it was “mainly” for religious reasons.

I also suggest that you may have a closed mind on this topic and so are not open to being either informed of evidence that contradicts your current belief, nor of being corrected when you make statements that are clearly wrong. (Is that any better? I chose the word ‘clearly’ instead of ‘blatantly’ and ‘obviously’).
I understand if, as someone who self-identifies as ‘jewish’, this evidence will cause some ‘emotional’ disturbance. That is only normal and natural. I myself did when I first came across the evidence. So, no blame.

[Wahrheitssucher]

To take just one example, Jews overwhelmingly have run pornography businesses in numerous countries for over a century.
E.g. Solomon Friedman is the new owner of PornHub. He is a Jewish attorney and a rabbi.

Top Jewish pornographer admits Jews have controlled the Porn Industry from its very beginnings | August 20, 2019
https://christiansfortruth.com/top-jewi ... eginnings/

In Israel, pornography, rape incest and paedeophilia is apparently endemic.
Here are three reports, one a Jewish-Israeli source:
https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/photo ... tes-604876

https://beeley.substack.com/p/israel-gi ... ceremonies

https://beeley.substack.com/p/israels-c ... -and-child

There are numerous statements purportedly coming from Jewish porm moguls themselves stating that Jews deliberately go into pornography as a means to "pollute" Christian culture. E.g. “When [Jewish porn producer Al Goldstein] was asked why the Jews dominate the porn industry, he said: 'The only reason that the Jews play a role in the porn industry is that we hate Christ”.

Then there are facts such as the Talmud permitting Jews to engage in sexual intercourse with babies under the age of three. If that isn’t a “strange sexual proclivity” what do you call it?

Even Israeli news-outlets are reporting how jewish paedophiles seek sanctuary in Israel:

https://www.timesofisrael.com/with-pedo ... tect-kids/

https://www.humanium.org/en/exposing-pe ... in-israel/

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-jewish ... in-israel/

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-741881

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/tens- ... ear-637393

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/201 ... 7f5a370000

Then there is Jeffrey Epstein and the Zionist Israeli-funded child-prostitution empire, and blackmail racket.

So two questions for Confused Jew:
1. do you regard a preoccupation with industrialising and profiting from pornography, permitting and encouraging paedophilia, rape and incest as “unusual sexual proclivity”?

2. Do you deny these reports of these being over-represented in Jewish society?

I wish you would stop derailing the conversation but to answer your question:

No I do not consider involvement in the pornography industry to be unusual sexual proclivity. It is a legal business activity and it has been for thousands of years. It is like gambling and drugs. It's entertainment and carries some social harms, like many things, but it is within the realm of what is part of individual freedom in the West.

Pedophilia, rape, and incest sure, they are universally considered to be harmful behavior. I have not seen any reason to believe that those behaviors are significantly over represented among Jews let alone overrepresented at all. You are free to show me evidence of this but even if it is true, I don't see why it would matter for the entire group. Seems stupid and racist to me.

I haven’t derailed the conversation. I gave you considerable evidence — much of it from jewish sources — that refuted another false claim of yours.
Yet inspite of all those links provided, you have now requested me to “show you the evidence for this”! And that after I have just provided you with some!
That is bizarre behaviour which I suggest indicates that for some reason you are not interested in (or perhaps not capable of assimilating) evidence if it contradicts your current view.

Here's another fact that you are free to check if you doubt it. It is that jews inordinately owning, controlling and promoting the porn industry, plus seeking to profit from sexual deviancy and the abuse of vulnerable people in prostitution and pornography during the poverty caused by the Treaty of Versaille (during the 1920s and 30s) is one of the REASONS why Germany decided to try and make their own country and Europe ‘judenrein’. Did you know that?

That you as someone self-identifying as a jew see nothing wrong with such behaviour, may indicate an ethical blindspot. The prostitution industry and pornography industry are closely linked. Most countries didn’t want either until after the defeat of the NSDAP in 1945. Most decent societies based on family values and high morals still don’t like its availability to children or to people who want child-pornography. I gave you some examples of an inordinate involvement of that in jewish society. There is much, much more. But it isn’t pleasant reading. You appear to be either in denial about that OR think it is acceptable. I hope for your sake it is the former alternative.

REMINDER: We are discussing your own topic subject of what can fairly be regarded as the “Truth about Jewish Expulsions”.
You seem emotionally attached to the belief that there were never any justifiable reasons.

Question: Do you think that it in every case the expulsions were due to irrational anti-jewish prejudices and throughout history jews — in every society that accepted them — were innocent of all and any charges so were unjustly treated/persecuted?

[ConfusedJew]

Heh he. No, you can’t as I’m definitely not getting “very emotional”. You perhaps have unwarranted confidence in your powers of perception. Or are psychologically projecting that as a subconscious defensive mechanism for your own cognitive dissonance.

There is a lot of emotional and aggressive language in your response which in my opinion is unnecessary. Not a defense mechanism, I'm truly just trying to keep things calm and logical regarding this usually emotionally charged subject.

The sentence should read “Jews have been expelled about 1030 times from numerous countries”.

That's also not true and also not the point. My argument is that most persecution of the Jews has occurred as a result of not accepting Jesus as their messiah. Do you deny that this ever happened? It happened a lot so I want to see if you disagree that it ever happened or if you disagree about the frequency.

If you want to show a source that says 1,030 expulsions then we can debate a source. I don't know the exact number off the top of my head but if you really care, it is far less than 100. We can try to account for the exact number if that really matters, which it doesn't to me. I'm not counting things like being ostracized from a small town to be clear. I am talking about large scale expulsions.

No. I am refuting the obvious and blatant falsity of YOUR claim. This one:

…the real reason that Jews have been persecuted for millennia is that they refused to convert to a religion that they did not believe was true.

OK, let me restate that slightly. That religious disagreement was the largest contributor to social friction between Christians and Jews over the last 2,000 years but it was not the only source of tension. I would say probably significantly more than 50% but that's hard to quantify.

No thanks. I don’t agree that that was “the biggest reason”. I think you are either extremely ill-informed or are attempting to deceive. I’m not sure yet which it is.

I'm not attempting to deceive you. But even if I were, you would still be able to defeat me with good argumentation, especially if you believe that the facts are on your side.

Yes I believe the charges were accurate. I was shocked when I looked into it as I believed for decades our mutual conditioning that it was a repulsive and grotesque anti-semitic hate trope. But the evidence for it is overwhelmingly if you look at it with an open mind. The most recent cases in particular have a wealth of credible and convincing evidence for it being an actual weird ceremony practiced over centuries by some strange jewish sect. The fact that Sir Richard Burton investigated and researched the case in his own time and wrote a book detailing his findings which has been censored and purchased by jewish groups so that NO-ONE can read that evidence is further evidence of a jewish cover-up of a credible fact over centuries that jews don’t want to be known.

I'm not deflecting on this but it's pretty off topic here so I would ask that we save this debate for a separate thread that is dedicated to that.

You are moving the goalposts. Your own red-herring. Not a good indication of someone genuinely discussing in good faith.

I'm not moving goal posts. As a matter of principle, I'm asking if you believe that there should be collective punishment. I personally do not, or maybe I would agree that it should happen in very limited circumstances, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.

The topic is about expulsions. It is not about whether people here approve of them. I suggest you are trying to change the subject of this topic-thread AWAY from the “truth of Jewish expulsions”. I also suspect and suggest it is because you aren’t very familiar with the topic and so are having difficulty absorbing the considerable, reputable and authoritative factual evidence I’ve provided which refutes your current belief that it was “mainly” for religious reasons.

Provide me with your one to two best sources and we can go from there.

I also suggest that you may have a closed mind on this topic and so are not open to being either informed of evidence that contradicts your current belief, nor of being corrected when you make statements that are clearly wrong. (Is that any better? I chose the word ‘clearly’ instead of ‘blatantly’ and ‘obviously’).
I understand if, as someone who self-identifies as ‘jewish’, this evidence will cause some ‘emotional’ disturbance. That is only normal and natural. I myself did when I first came across the evidence. So, no blame.

I don't have a closed mind on the topic. I strongly disagree with you, but if you provide me with clear, concise, compelling, and accurate information and sources, I will certainly take that into consideration. If I were closed minded, I wouldn't bother coming to this forum because I have better things to do.

I don't get disturbed from what others would perceive to be uncomfortable facts. I do get emotionally frustrated when I feel that people are making either bad or false arguments or when they are refusing to acknowledging my own legitimate arguments. As long as you commit to doing those things, there will be little to no emotion coming from me.

[Stubble]

Well confused, what part of 'not accepting jesus' is rooted around clipping coins or banging children? What part?

[ConfusedJew]

I haven’t derailed the conversation. I gave you considerable evidence — much of it from jewish sources — that refuted another false claim of yours.
Yet inspite of all those links provided, you have now requested me to “show you the evidence for this”! And that after I have just provided you with some!
That is bizarre behaviour which I suggest indicates that for some reason you are not interested in (or perhaps not capable of assimilating) evidence if it contradicts your current view.

I am constantly bombarded with different sources and arguments and information on this platform from many different people. I just that people be concise and direct in their responses and arguments. People often drop like 5 different links on me and then I have like 15 people doing that at the same time. I simply can't keep up with it.

Here's another fact that you are free to check if you doubt it. It is that jews inordinately owning, controlling and promoting the porn industry, plus seeking to profit from sexual deviancy and the abuse of vulnerable people in prostitution and pornography during the poverty caused by the Treaty of Versaille (during the 1920s and 30s) is one of the REASONS why Germany decided to try and make their own country and Europe ‘judenrein’. Did you know that?

Let me ask you a few questions first about this topic before we discuss further so I know where you are coming from.

1. Why do you think pornography and prostitution is so horrible? I'm not a huge fan of either, but I do believe in promoting personal liberties, up to a limit, so I want to know why you don't like those things.

2. I haven't looked at pornography or prostitution industry statistics so I don't know if Jews are overrepresented in those areas, but a very small percent of the western population is involved in them. If let's say there were 30 Jews that controlled the entire pornography and prostitution in the West, why does that matter if it's legal?

3. Do you think pornography or prostitution should be totally illegal in the west with severe penalties?

4. If it is illegal and you don't like it, why do you hate the players rather than the game (the law)?

5. If only 30 Jews were involved out of 15 million Jews, why would you hate all 15 million Jews that have so many different value systems and backgrounds? Do you think that's fair or honest?

That you as someone self-identifying as a jew see nothing wrong with such behaviour, may indicate an ethical blindspot. The prostitution industry and pornography industry are closely linked. Most countries didn’t want either until after the defeat of the NSDAP in 1945. Most decent societies based on family values and high morals still don’t like its availability to children or to people who want child-pornography. I gave you some examples of an inordinate involvement of that in jewish society. There is much, much more. But it isn’t pleasant reading. You appear to be either in denial about that OR think it is acceptable. I hope for your sake it is the former alternative.

I completely agree that children shouldn't be sexualized nor should they be exposed to pornography. That's not legal in the West anywhere that I know of.

I feel differently for adults but why do you think adults shouldn't be allowed to do that? We have personal freedoms in the West?

REMINDER: We are discussing your own topic subject of what can fairly be regarded as the “Truth about Jewish Expulsions”.
You seem emotionally attached to the belief that there were never any justifiable reasons.

I have not seen a justifiable reason yet so if you put forth your most specific and compelling argument and historical example, we can debate that.

Question: Do you think that it in every case the expulsions were due to irrational anti-jewish prejudices and throughout history jews — in every society that accepted them — were innocent of all and any charges so were unjustly treated/persecuted?

More or less, I do think that the expulsions were due to irrational anti Jewish prejudice. There are no perfect ethnic groups, you will find people in every ethnicity that have done horrible things. But this is why I keep coming back to the argument that collective punishment is racist and unjust. Why do you think collective punishment or even judgment of innocent people is acceptable?

[ConfusedJew]

Well confused, what part of 'not accepting jesus' is rooted around clipping coins or banging children? What part?

Will you do me a favor and provide me with a source for:

1. Jews clipping coins throughout history (I have never seen this but I might just not know about it)

2. Jews "banging children" - I need to see specifics but there are pedophiles in every group unfortunately

3. Will you comment on my argument that religious persecution for not accepting Jesus was a large contributor of historical anti-semitism? It is coming back now even. First, do you disagree that this happened? Second, do you disagree that this happened a lot? Third, do you agree with the idea of punishing somebody for not holding the same beliefs or religion as you?

[Stubble]

1) direct expulsion from England in 1290 for coin clipping.

2) see previous posts.

3) countersemetism does not stem from the rejection of jesus unless you believe that rejection led to the destruction of the second temple and expulsion from Palestine.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Well confused, what part of 'not accepting jesus' is rooted around clipping coins or banging children? What part?

Exactly!
I have concluded this person is NOT arguing in good-faith but is just pretending to.

I keep giving a considerable amount of evidence with verifiable, reputable sources and he keeps on: 1. either ignoring it, 2.or saying he doesn’t believe it, or 3. saying it's wrong without demonstrating why, or 4. asking me to provide evidence for my position AS IF I haven’t already.
Whether that’s due to a.) being deceptive or due to b.) being in denial but not being able to admit that to themselves, I haven’t yet decided.

So come on CJ, what has accusations of coin clipping, or ritual murder, or routinely cheating/lying, or sexual degeneracy, or treasonal acts, or… etc., etc., got to do with Christianity?

Q1. Did you even read the long list I provided of expulsions and the reasons given?

Q2. Do you know anything at all about the most recent, documented cases of jewish ritual murder of non-Jews?

Q3. Do you know anything at all about the reasons given for the 19th century Russian progroms against Jews?

[Wahrheitssucher]

Another unintended duplicate post. Apologies.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Heh he. No, you can’t as I’m definitely not getting “very emotional”. You perhaps have unwarranted confidence in your powers of perception. Or are psychologically projecting that as a subconscious defensive mechanism for your own cognitive dissonance.

There is a lot of emotional and aggressive language in your response which in my opinion is unnecessary. Not a defense mechanism, I'm truly just trying to keep things calm and logical regarding this usually emotionally charged subject.

Ok. I start to give up with you now. If you can’t concede you made a wrong judgement-call about my own state of mind, then we aren’t likely to make any progress at all on other things you might be wrong about.

I still maintain that “blatantly false” is a factual observation, one supported by the verifiable evidence I then provided. Evidence which you appear not to have studied or even read.

You decided “very emotional” on the use of one word “blatantly”. That shows an inability to assess written words correctly. Which is going to be a huge handicap for you if you genuinely want to investigate the possible/probable falsity of the holocaust ‘mass-gassing’ allegation.
Whether the wording is “blatantly false” or “clearly false”, the evidence refuting your false claim still stands. You’ve just ignored it by focusing instead on the messenger rather than the message.

BOTTOM LINE:
This isn’t an “emotionally charged subject” for me. I suggest the fact that you think it is, demonstrates you are psychologically projecting your own state-of-mind: presumably because you are experiencing cognitive dissonance from the evidence provided.
Anyone who thinks they can know from one continent (America) the state of mind of someone living across a vast ocean (in Europe) much BETTER and more accurately than that person themselves can has serious issues. It is a sign of a delusional mind-set.
Which would explain why you can’t accept (or even familiarise yourself with) the considerable evidence of reasons for the 1030 known cases of expulsion of jews from numerous countries over a period of more than a thousand years.

[Wahrheitssucher]

duplicate post by error

[Stubble]

Well confused, what part of 'not accepting jesus' is rooted around clipping coins or banging children? What part?

Exactly!
I have concluded this person is NOT arguing in good-faith but is just pretending to.

I keep giving a considerable amount of evidence with verifiable, reputable sources and he keeps on: 1. either ignoring it, 2.or saying he doesn’t believe it, or 3. saying it's wrong without demonstrating why, or 4. asking me to provide evidence for my position AS IF I haven’t already.
Whether that’s due to a.) being deceptive or due to b.) being in denial but not being able to admit that to themselves, I haven’t yet decided.

So come on CJ, what has accusations of coin clipping, or ritual murder, or routinely cheating/lying, or sexual degeneracy, or treasonous acts, or… etc., etc., got to do with Christianity?

Q1. Did you even read the long list I provided of expulsions and the reasons given?

Q2. Do you know anything at all about the most recent, documented cases of jewish ritual murder of non-Jews?

Q3. Do you know anything at all about the reasons given for the 19th century Russian progroms against Jews?

If you find some time, the 'on pogroms' thread may be worth looking at, although at this point it is locked.