The CODOH Revisionist Forum

Stubble wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 7:28 pm I'll generate timestamps for you bombs.

So far as the content, what is shown is that even with a 100% death rate for every jew under the German Authorities control, there still wouldn't be 5,000,000 to 6,000,000 dead, because there were not that many jews the German Authorities could have had access to.

German records show otherwise. The revisionist position is that both sides Nazi and Soviet flubbed the numbers. Possible, sure, but even as alt hype says at the end of the video, it doesn't disprove the Holocaust, it just shows that the numbers can't be used to evidence the Orthodox position. Even he isn't going as far as you are.

German records

The point was to show emigration out of the hands of the German Authorities area of possession. Part of the whole drive of the question in the original post, albeit from the counter perspective.

It does that.

So far as the rest goes, you obviously aren't following what my position even is. How far do you think I'm 'taking this'? I am presenting a video showing emigration.

So far as what did or didn't happen, 5,000,000 to 6,000,000 didn't happen. That's different from 'nothing happened'.

Something happened.

The difficulty is parsing the truth from the lie.

You are saying that 5 million is impossible, which is not alt hypes conclusion as far as I can tell, from the number argument alone

bombsaway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 7:52 pm German records show otherwise.

How can they when 99% of the Todt und Schmelt organization records no longer exist; these are the records that would have confirmed the existence of Jewish labour camps. It is not a coincidence that the loss of vital records is also the issue of alleged mass murder. Any detective or intelligence person alive knows there are no coincidences in such matters.

That’s correct. Guilty people destroy incriminating evidence.

Numar Patru wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:49 pm That’s correct. Guilty people destroy incriminating evidence.

I think Nazgul is referring to his hypothesized mass internment of Jews in Poland during 1943 (since there's no evidence of this in USSR). This hypothesis is refuted by German censuses like the Korherr report as well as statements by people like Hans Frank, who would have been in a position to know if there were tons of Jews hanging out in his domain. Nazgul's hypothesis thus necessitates a conspiracy within the Nazi government to hide the whereabouts of these Jews from themselves, which is just senseless.

bombsaway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:53 pm

Numar Patru wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:49 pm That’s correct. Guilty people destroy incriminating evidence.

I think Nazgul is referring to his hypothesized mass internment of Jews in Poland during 1943 (since there's no evidence of this in USSR). This hypothesis is refuted by German censuses like the Korherr report as well as statements by people like Hans Frank, who would have been in a position to know if there were tons of Jews hanging out in his domain. Nazgul's hypothesis thus necessitates a conspiracy within the Nazi government to hide the whereabouts of these Jews from themselves, which is just senseless.

Only if you misinterpret both korherr and frank.

You have to misinterpret their words to assume anything other than internment and resettlement.

Stubble wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 9:34 pm

bombsaway wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:53 pm

Numar Patru wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 8:49 pm That’s correct. Guilty people destroy incriminating evidence.

I think Nazgul is referring to his hypothesized mass internment of Jews in Poland during 1943 (since there's no evidence of this in USSR). This hypothesis is refuted by German censuses like the Korherr report as well as statements by people like Hans Frank, who would have been in a position to know if there were tons of Jews hanging out in his domain. Nazgul's hypothesis thus necessitates a conspiracy within the Nazi government to hide the whereabouts of these Jews from themselves, which is just senseless.

Only if you misinterpret both korherr and frank.

You have to misinterpret their words to assume anything other than internment and resettlement.

Do you know that the original wording in the KOrherr report was changed from "special treatment" ( a known code word for killing) to transport to the Russian East based on explicit instruction from Himmler? And then Himmler called the report "great camouflage" that will be useful to us in the future. These statements compromise the report to some extent, though unclear what the revisionist angle is.

Hans Frank statement about mass Jewish emmigration is preceded by the statement that the NSDAP will surely "outlive" the Jews no matter what happens in the war. If we're taking this literally, it means those Jews are not alive.

In any case, if there was a mass movement of Polish Jews out of the GG directed by the Germans, why is there no evidence of this actually happening other than a few weird statements and compromised material like the Korherr report?

There's no witness testimony from Jews or anyone else, no documents shedding light on what happened to them once they crossed the border. No documents showing trains leaving the Reinhardt camps and Chelmno for the USSR. They just "disappear" in terms of paper trail.

Korherr actually stares very clearly that Himmler did not order this clarification.

Saying this is like telling me 'it was Operation Reinhard'.

You do understand that, don't you?

Stubble wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 9:53 pm Korherr actually stares very clearly that Himmler did not order this clarification.

Saying this is like telling me 'it was Operation Reinhard'.

You do understand that, don't you?

Now show me what you're saying is true.

Korherr addressed it personally in his letter to Der Speigel in 1977. I'll got dig it up.

statement that I had mentioned that over a million Jews had died in the camps of the Generalgouvernement and the Warthegau through special treatment is also inaccurate. I must protest against the word ‘died’ in this context. It was the very word ‘Sonderbehandlung’ [‘special treatment’] that led me to call the RSHA by phone and ask what this word meant. I was given the answer that these were Jews who were settled in the Lublin district

Der SPIEGEL, Nr. 31, 25. Juli 1977, S. 12

Stubble wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 10:27 pm Korherr addressed it personally in his letter to Der Speigel in 1977. I'll got dig it up.

statement that I had mentioned that over a million Jews had died in the camps of the Generalgouvernement and the Warthegau through special treatment is also inaccurate. I must protest against the word ‘died’ in this context. It was the very word ‘Sonderbehandlung’ [‘special treatment’] that led me to call the RSHA by phone and ask what this word meant. I was given the answer that these were Jews who were settled in the Lublin district

Der SPIEGEL, Nr. 31, 25. Juli 1977, S. 12

I'm familiar with this yeah, but this is not as you said, Korherr stating "very clearly that Himmler did not order this clarification."

That point stands.

I'll get source, he addresses it. I need to find a clean quote.

Hold tight.

It's in there.

Why would a secret document addressed only to Himmler and Hitler need camouflage? What did Himmler want to hide these 1 million Jews from? Revisionists like Rudolf and Challen argue that this refers to an attempt to camouflage the fact that these Jews escaped through Soviet evacuations, which for the war effort would have been seen as a negative thing to still have Jews free for the Soviets.

TlsMS93 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 16, 2025 11:17 pm Why would a secret document addressed only to Himmler and Hitler need camouflage? What did Himmler want to hide these 1 million Jews from? Revisionists like Rudolf and Challen argue that this refers to an attempt to camouflage the fact that these Jews escaped through Soviet evacuations, which for the war effort would have been seen as a negative thing to still have Jews free for the Soviets.

It doesn't matter who it was addressed to. It's sensible to assume (if you step into the orthodox framework) that following the German victory this document would be presented to foreign governments and bodies as contemporaneous evidence that resettlement had occurred.