Hektor wrote: ↑Wed Nov 05, 2025 1:11 pm
* empirical evidence. And it's empirical evidence that should be there. The "the Nazis cremated 800.000 corpses without eve having a crematoria in place"-canard, simply doesn't fly.
As a note. Simply ask Grok/ChatPG about it, let us know what they say.
I realize that those are probably primed to affirm and privilege the Holocaust narrative, but one can use them for sourcing reports, documents, arguments nevertheless.
Grok has recently undergone a change and now manages to argue that Stalin intended to invade Europe. Perhaps, by carefully examining the facts, he could even corroborate our conclusions, especially if we use the mathematics and logic behind the narrative.
Grok understands that evidence is used to investigate history, not "mathematics and logic". The evidence is that TII was a death camp. There is no evidence it had another purpose and when so-called revisionists try to come up with an alternative evidenced usage, they fall apart into disagreement, with no use well enough evidenced for them to reach any consensus.
But it is indeed problematic to simultaneously claim that there is no lack of evidence for the Holocaust and cite gaps such as simply "Blobel."
It is not problematic, or indeed inaccurate, to state that parts of the Holocaust are well evidenced and others, less so. For example, the use of TII as a death camp is well evidenced and how the pyres worked is less so.
Hektor wrote: ↑Wed Nov 05, 2025 1:11 pm
* empirical evidence. And it's empirical evidence that should be there. The "the Nazis cremated 800.000 corpses without eve having a crematoria in place"-canard, simply doesn't fly.
As a note. Simply ask Grok/ChatPG about it, let us know what they say.
I realize that those are probably primed to affirm and privilege the Holocaust narrative, but one can use them for sourcing reports, documents, arguments nevertheless.
Grok has recently undergone a change and now manages to argue that Stalin intended to invade Europe. Perhaps, by carefully examining the facts, he could even corroborate our conclusions, especially if we use the mathematics and logic behind the narrative.
But it is indeed problematic to simultaneously claim that there is no lack of evidence for the Holocaust and cite gaps such as simply "Blobel."
I asked him about Treblinka... There those darn Nazis could cremate bodies almost perfectly with 30kg of drywood on open pyres...or with even less, as the corpses burned in their own body fat. I asked elsewhere how much fuel is needed in a modern crematoria oven. Then it suddenly was 60-70kg of coke.
So while one doesn't get straight answers one can ask them question that will yield answers contradicting the Holocaust Narrative.
Hektor wrote: ↑Wed Nov 05, 2025 1:11 pm
* empirical evidence. And it's empirical evidence that should be there. The "the Nazis cremated 800.000 corpses without eve having a crematoria in place"-canard, simply doesn't fly.
As a note. Simply ask Grok/ChatPG about it, let us know what they say.
I realize that those are probably primed to affirm and privilege the Holocaust narrative, but one can use them for sourcing reports, documents, arguments nevertheless.
Grok has recently undergone a change and now manages to argue that Stalin intended to invade Europe. Perhaps, by carefully examining the facts, he could even corroborate our conclusions, especially if we use the mathematics and logic behind the narrative.
But it is indeed problematic to simultaneously claim that there is no lack of evidence for the Holocaust and cite gaps such as simply "Blobel."
I asked him about Treblinka... There those darn Nazis could cremate bodies almost perfectly with 30kg of drywood on open pyres...or with even less, as the corpses burned in their own body fat. I asked elsewhere how much fuel is needed in a modern crematoria oven. Then it suddenly was 60-70kg of coke.
So while one doesn't get straight answers one can ask them question that will yield answers contradicting the Holocaust Narrative.
The AI will be honest with you if you mention 800,000 bodies cremated outdoors and unmask your cremation method. But if you specify that 800,000 bodies of Jews are part of this experiment, then that's the trigger for it to access the Holocaust Museum, Yad Vashem, Dario Gabbai.
The AI will be honest with you if you mention 800,000 bodies cremated outdoors and unmask your cremation method. But if you specify that 800,000 bodies of Jews are part of this experiment, then that's the trigger for it to access the Holocaust Museum, Yad Vashem, Dario Gabbai.
Chatpg evades questions about cremations or body disposal.
Grok gave an answer concerning cremation using wood (How much wood do I need to cremate one human body open air?)
Average Wood Requirement
For open-air cremation (pyre cremation), approximately 500–700 kg (1,100–1,540 lbs) of dry wood is typically needed to fully reduce an average adult human body (70–80 kg or 154–176 lbs) to ash. This is based on traditional practices and modern studies of pyre efficiency....
That's about 20 times the amount it said they used in Treblinka.
And that's something one should contrast. And you are right with anything Holocaust related it will draw info from sites like Yad Vashem / Nizkor and the usual suspects. While that works on dimwits, to the observing eye it reveals that they are actually deceiving people....
The trick is do not use any Holobunga related words and you will get a good answer
I did that with refractory brick consumption for a cremation oven AND heat-treating ovens and the attachment is what I got which is acceptable
ee attachment is to show down time related response
Attachments
ee.JPG (105.71 KiB) Viewed 103 times
aa.JPG (116.46 KiB) Viewed 103 times
I do not believe anything one is not allowed to question
The AI will be honest with you if you mention 800,000 bodies cremated outdoors and unmask your cremation method. But if you specify that 800,000 bodies of Jews are part of this experiment, then that's the trigger for it to access the Holocaust Museum, Yad Vashem, Dario Gabbai.
Chatpg evades questions about cremations or body disposal.
Grok gave an answer concerning cremation using wood (How much wood do I need to cremate one human body open air?)
Average Wood Requirement
For open-air cremation (pyre cremation), approximately 500–700 kg (1,100–1,540 lbs) of dry wood is typically needed to fully reduce an average adult human body (70–80 kg or 154–176 lbs) to ash. This is based on traditional practices and modern studies of pyre efficiency....
That's about 20 times the amount it said they used in Treblinka.
And that's something one should contrast. And you are right with anything Holocaust related it will draw info from sites like Yad Vashem / Nizkor and the usual suspects. While that works on dimwits, to the observing eye it reveals that they are actually deceiving people....
AI merely searches for what it thinks is the most relevant evidence from the most relevant source. It uses a lot of secondary sources, based on what would be found on the first page of any search.
There is very limited information on a mass pyre, of metal rails, with wood below and decomposing naked corpses piled above, that from the evidence were often only partially cremated. Comparisons with a single corpse pyre, of the clothed corpse directly on the wood, to ashes to be scattered, are not direct.
