Neither of those witnesses were INSIDE a Krema, or TII, to see with their own eyes what was happening. They were both OUTSIDE. That they say they did not see anything of note, does not therefore mean inside those places, gassings were not happening. 100% of the witnesses who were INSIDE those places, say that gassings happened.WW2History wrote: ↑Tue Mar 25, 2025 5:02 am .....
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Maria van Herwaarden isn’t hearsay, she’s speaking from her own experience in the camp. Marian Olszuk worked near Treblinka and observed the camp daily. His statements are based on what he saw, not what someone told him, unlike your gas chamber stories.You are making the classic revisionist mistake of not being able to differentiate between hearsay and eyewitness evidence.
It is staggering that you cannot get to grips with that simple issue! Those witnesses are only eyewitnesses to what they saw OUTSIDE. They are witnesses to the circumstantial evidence about the operations of those places, but since they say they saw little to nothing, they are pretty useless witnesses.
Anne Frank is an eyewitness to the circumstantial evidence of mass transports, selections and those selected to work leaving the camp. She never went inside a Krema, so she is not an eyewitness to what happened inside. Anything she said about what happened inside, is indeed hearsay. Shame you cannot get to grips with the simple concept.Anne Frank Known to have arrived at Auschwitz, she was later transferred to Bergen-Belsen, where she died. Her movement through the camp system is a documented fact, not hearsay. These are direct witness accounts, not secondhand stories. Yes, witnesses can make mistakes as memory fades, perceptions differ that doesn't automatically make their testimony hearsay.
You cannot prove Hoess lied. To do that, you need evidence of what actually happened inside the Kremas, that was not mass gassings.As for Mistakes vs. Lying, Rudolf Höss, gave a confession with inflated numbers of deaths—later corrected by historians. He lied, that wasn't a mistake. The argument isn’t “mistakes equal lies”; it’s “mistakes or contradictions warrant scrutiny.”
Are you claiming that the gas chambers inside the Kremas were all used to delouse clothing? If so, where is your evidence of that happening and how do you explain Leuchter and Rudolf both disputing any use of Zyklon B in those places?You said
“Gas Chambers” (Gaskammer) This term often referred to delousing chambers for clothing and bedding, not homicidal facilities. Jean-Claude Pressac estimated that 95% of Zyklon B was used for sanitation to combat typhus.The documentary evidence that gassings took place at A-B, comes from the camp's Construction Office and Topf & Sons. They record the construction of barracks for property, heated undressing rooms, gas chambers and ovens for multiple corpse cremations, for a special action/treatment of Jews, camp prisoners not needed for work and Hungarians.
What a term refers to, is explained by the evidence. There is evidence to prove mass gassings, therefore special treatment, in the context of the operation of the Kremas, referred to gassings.The phrase “special action” or “special treatment” (Sonderbehandlung) is ambiguous—it could mean sanitation measures, not murder. For example, EM No. 156 of 16 January 1942 mentions “special treatment” (Mallmann 2014 _et al_., p. 89):
“The evangelical-Lutheran church is attempting to obtain special treatment from German authorities, which should manifest itself in the form of governmental support of a financial nature in particular.”
You are merely regurgitating the likes of Mattogno. There are far more recorded arrivals at A-B, than recorded deaths, with the missing people disappearing from the records, after they were selected to not work. They did not suddenly drop dead from typhus on the selection ramps. When Mattogno lacks relevant evidence, he uses irrelevant evidence. Deaths at Bergen-Belsen do not evidence deaths at A-B.Topf & Sons designed crematoria, yes, their capacity and purpose are debated. High cremation are deaths from disease (typhus killed thousands at Auschwitz) rather than systematic gassing nonsense. Paul Kremer, who was stationed in Auschwitz from August 30 to November 18, 1942 and kept a diary, of which some sequences were interpreted as veiled references to gassing actions. He was describing the horrors of the typhus epidemic raging at that time in Auschwitz (cf. Section 3.3.).
Even guards were dying from disease, Herwaarden was transported to Vienna and from there to Auschwitz. They received food on the train. A gypsy told Herwaarden that they were going to be gassed when they arrived at Auschwitz. That night the SS came and took them to Birkenau. They were taken to a cold, windowless room and told that they had to take a cold shower. They handed over their clothes and all hair was shaved, both head and pubic. Herwaarden was "terribly scared" when she went into the shower room because "they said gas would be coming from the top but it was only water." They received soap, but the water was cold. When they finished, they received their numbers and prisoners' clothing and were taken to the barracks.
Notice how the hair is cut, and prisoners given clean deloused clothings to... what? Look pretty? No. To fight the Typhus epidemic. She saw very many prisoners die in the camp from diseases and also people who took their lives on the electric fence. But she never saw any prisoners killed by anyone in the camp. Of 1,000 Germans who had arrived in March of 1942, there were only three left when Herwaarden arrived in December. They had all died of black fever.
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Dr. Charles P. Larson, a prominent American forensic pathologist, who performed autopsies at Dachau and some of its sub-camps. At Dachau Dr. Larson performed about 25 autopsies a day for 10 days and superficially examined another 300 to 1,000 bodies. He autopsied only those bodies that appeared to be questionable. Dr. Larson stated regarding these autopsies at Dachau:
“Many of them died from typhus. Dachau’s crematoriums couldn’t keep up with the burning of the bodies. They did not have enough oil to keep the incinerators going. I found that a number of the victims had also died from tuberculosis ...
A rumor going around Dachau after we got there was that many of the prisoners were poisoned. I did a lot of toxicological analysis to determine the facts and removed organs from a cross-section of about 30 to 40 bodies and sent them into Paris to the Army’s First Medical laboratory for analysis, since I lacked the proper facilities in the field. The reports came back negative. I could not find where any of these people had been poisoned. The majority died of natural diseases of one kind or another.”
Mass grave in Bergen-Belsen Concentration Camp with typhus victims, excavated and filled under the direction of British troops after the occupation of the camp in the spring of 1945.
What happened to evidence all connecting together to give us the answer? The British, the "architect of the Holocaust" himself, SS personnel, Forensics, Documentary evidence ALL lead that most deaths, particularly in Auschwitz, were of natural causes.The conditions in the camps are, of course, difficult. Many of my men have died from disease in these camps—typhus, dysentery... It’s a terrible burden to carry.
- Henrich Himmler
No. Mass arrivals and selections and the lack of any documentary evidence of people not selected to work being moved on to other camps, is circumstantial evidence. That circumstantial evidence chronologically, evidentially and logically fits with the evidence of mass gassings.The logic is: people arrived, weren’t registered to work, and vanished—ergo, they were killed?That the Nazis did not keep, or they destroyed records of how many were gassed, is circumvented by the evidence of mass arrivals and how many were registered to work. Those for whom all records of their existence ends on their arrival at the camp, were gassed.
Anne Frank was on the last Dutch transport to A-B, and arrived just as gassing operations ended. There is evidence she ended up at Bergen-Belsen, which proves that when people leave the camp alive, they leave evidence. Your problem is the hundreds of thousands who you believe left, but for whom there is no evidence.We know for a fact some unregistered prisoners were transferred elsewhere. Anne Frank, for instance, arrived at Auschwitz, wasn’t registered as a worker there, yet ended up at Bergen-Belsen. Others were released or sent to subcamps without detailed records.
You lie a lot about me supposedly making assumptions. I do not assume gassings, gassings are evidenced. You assume people were not gassed and left the camp, with no evidence as to what did happen to them inside the Kremas. You assume millions were not gassed, yet you cannot find any evidence of millions of Jews still alive in camps and ghettos in 1944. It is you, not me who does the assuming.The Nazis’ administration, especially late in the war, left many records incomplete or destroyed, I agree. But the absence of evidence isn’t evidence of gassing, you are making an assumption filling the gap.