The CODOH Revisionist Forum

Archie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 23, 2025 3:59 pm

Nessie wrote: ↑Sat Aug 23, 2025 6:38 am

Archie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 22, 2025 6:18 pm

Read the link, idiot.
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And lol at you defending Hoettl as legitimate source.

When fears were being expressed, for the safety and security of 4, 5 and 6 million Jews, before WWII, initially from the Soviets and then the Nazis, and then by the end of the war, Jewish and Nazi sources were stating 6 million had been murdered, which has subsequently been evidenced to be within the death toll range, that is not evidence of an organised hoax.

What it evidences, is so-called revisionist desires to find patterns, that can make them believe there was an organised hoax. It is evidence that helps to prove that so-called revisionists are conspiracists, who will cherry-pick evidence, to support their desired belief.

We have this six million meme that we've all heard. If you had any intellectual curiosity whatsoever, you would be asking where that meme came from.

It came from Western Jews expressing fears, in news articles, about the safety of the millions of Jews living in Eastern Europe, primarily from the Soviet Union.

Even non-revisionists have noticed essentially the same thing as revisionists have, that the number was used very early and despite having little support. Leon Poliakov in 1956.

It was not the only number that was used.

Many publications dealing with the racial persecution during the last war have set the total number of Jews destroyed by the Nazis at six million. However, this figure, which has appeared in numerous publications in many lands, is generally quoted without documentary or statistical support. The question then is: where did the figure of six million originate, and how reliable is it?

This is apparently not a question for Nessie who thinks we should just mindlessly defer to Yad Vashem.

Wrong, as usual. The death toll is a significant issue. The earliest post-war use, by a source that would have a good idea of how many Jews were killed, was by a senior Nazi in 1945.

Here is why the six million number is significant and revealing. It takes only a couple of hours for any competent, objective researcher to determine that the origins of the number are dubious and that it was used too early to have any valid basis. Yet despite this, it remains the "official" number even to this day. If a fake number can get official status that easily, this demonstrates the unreliability of the Holocaust scholarship. Yes, there were a couple of exceptions, very early ones whose lower figures were ignored, but these counterexamples simply show that even on the orthodox side they know deep down that the number is bogus. Yet it persists for purely symbolic reasons. All of this is damning.

The historians use 5 to 6 million. The media tend to just use 6 million. The usage before the war is not as significant as so-called revisionists claim, as it was also part of a range, from 4 to 7 million. Considering how many Jews lived in Eastern Europe, fearing for the safety of 6 million from the Soviets, then the Nazis and that then becoming the most commonly used death toll, is not as damning and significant as the conspiracists think it is.

There is a lot of evidence, much of it from the Nazis themselves, to support the 6 million figure, as a reasonable shorthand for the death toll range. The exact, precise figure cannot be determined.