The HC Blog 'Auschwitz Index'

[Stubble]

Please find me another crematorium that had undressing rooms, gas chambers and oven to cremate multiple corpses at the same time, for a special action that involved people arriving alive and having all their property taken from them.

Please do not deviate from our specific dialogue and address the content of my posts.

You say documents about warm air are nothingburgers. Show me another crematorium that operates with what the documents record as being installed inside the Kremas. You know you cannot, and that is why you now want to control what I discuss. You must know that corpse storage is refrigerated, not warmed.

No, Nessie, I was asking you for the courtesy of a debate on this particular point. You have chosen this instead, so be it.

[Nessie]

Please do not deviate from our specific dialogue and address the content of my posts.

You say documents about warm air are nothingburgers. Show me another crematorium that operates with what the documents record as being installed inside the Kremas. You know you cannot, and that is why you now want to control what I discuss. You must know that corpse storage is refrigerated, not warmed.

No, Nessie, I was asking you for the courtesy of a debate on this particular point. You have chosen this instead, so be it.

You have said why you think they are nothingburgers. I am not a ventilation engineer, so I cannot really argue with you on that technical point. So, please show me a crematorium with warm air ventilation for where the corpses are stored, or otherwise explain why a warm air ventilation system was needed for the Kremas and is compatible for storing corpses.

[Stubble]

You say documents about warm air are nothingburgers. Show me another crematorium that operates with what the documents record as being installed inside the Kremas. You know you cannot, and that is why you now want to control what I discuss. You must know that corpse storage is refrigerated, not warmed.

No, Nessie, I was asking you for the courtesy of a debate on this particular point. You have chosen this instead, so be it.

You have said why you think they are nothingburgers. I am not a ventilation engineer, so I cannot really argue with you on that technical point. So, please show me a crematorium with warm air ventilation for where the corpses are stored, or otherwise explain why a warm air ventilation system was needed for the Kremas and is compatible for storing corpses.

There is no warm air ventilation system according to the plans, and according to the memos, that is because the system was supposed to be tied in to the return or inlet side of the 3 15 hp inducer motors located at the central chimney stack. To provide circulation of air, not warm air. If you look at the prints you will see this clearly indicated and if you read the corresponding memoranda, you will see this is clearly what is being discussed.

/shrug

[Nessie]

No, Nessie, I was asking you for the courtesy of a debate on this particular point. You have chosen this instead, so be it.

You have said why you think they are nothingburgers. I am not a ventilation engineer, so I cannot really argue with you on that technical point. So, please show me a crematorium with warm air ventilation for where the corpses are stored, or otherwise explain why a warm air ventilation system was needed for the Kremas and is compatible for storing corpses.

There is no warm air ventilation system according to the plans, and according to the memos, that is because the system was supposed to be tied in to the return or inlet side of the 3 15 hp inducer motors located at the central chimney stack. To provide circulation of air, not warm air. If you look at the prints you will see this clearly indicated and if you read the corresponding memoranda, you will see this is clearly what is being discussed.

/shrug

This document specifically refers to a "Saugzuganlage" or induced draft system and a "Warmluftfuhrung" or warm air flow for "Krem II"

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How do they fit with the design of a building for corpse storage? I am not interested in your opinion, I want you to produce evidence, as to how that document fits with corpses being stored. Your opinion has no evidential value.

[Nazgul]

I am not interested in your opinion, I want you to produce evidence, as to how that document fits with corpses being stored. Your opinion has no evidential value.

You have no scientific or technical training to understand evidence presented to you. All evidence takes human analysis. That analysis can be considered opinion from an untrained person which you clearly are. Anyone who considers SHC a viable form of self cremation should be held at a distance. Constantly demanding evidence when you do not have the intellectual means, in any capacity, to analyse that evidence is asinine. Quite often on this forum and others, we are discussing the evidence which you have limited capacity to understand, then demand more evidence.

[Stubble]

It pertains to the draft inducers buddy. It also does not reference corpse storage 1, lk1, lk#1, the gas chamber, whatever you want to call it.

Should be patently obvious from the document itself.

Do I really need to read it for you? really

With some surrounding documentation I could tell you better what exactly the context of it is.

The building plans for Krema II clearly show the extraction side of the ventilation system of the corpse cellar 1 tied to the inlet side of the blower assembly for the draft inducers.

When exactly this was ditched and how exactly they chose to tie in the individual fan motors, I can't tell you, because there is a gap in the building plans.

I can tell you that there was a fresh air stack out for the corpse cellar, for the autopsy room and for the furnace room situated in the roof peak near where the vestibule is located. I can't tell you how these tie in to the various ventilation systems for the corresponding areas because the plans are unfortunately either incomplete or non specific.

I also can't tell you where the exhaust termination for these systems was. I can tell you that originally it appears that these systems were to terminate in the cremation oven main flue.

That's all I can tell you with confidence and specificity. Because that's all the extant drawings show and because the crematoria were destroyed.

Now, the document you have provided and asked me to look at, it is not in the HC blog post pertaining to this thread. You should start a new thread about your theory that the corpse cellar 1 being heated at Kremas II and III. We can explore this diversion fully there because it will be the topic of the discussion.

My point was that the documents in the HC blog post referenced in the op are misframed and innocuous in nature, however they are presented there as proof of homicidal gassings. So far none of these documents are that. They are also misleadingly captioned and taken out of context. Some are even misinterpreted or an interpretation is not given, they are simply presented in German with a misleading caption or tag line.

This source that you have quoted from in other threads, this HC blog post, it is bias and misleading. I consider its presentation misinformed and I do not consider the source credible because of it.

I need to see the prints for the structure known as Krema III. I will keep digging for them. They should reflect the changes in the ventilation design. That is not something to explore in this thread however, and this far, does not yet merit a thread.

[Nessie]

I am not interested in your opinion, I want you to produce evidence, as to how that document fits with corpses being stored. Your opinion has no evidential value.

You have no scientific or technical training to understand evidence presented to you. All evidence takes human analysis. That analysis can be considered opinion from an untrained person which you clearly are. Anyone who considers SHC a viable form of self cremation should be held at a distance. Constantly demanding evidence when you do not have the intellectual means, in any capacity, to analyse that evidence is asinine. Quite often on this forum and others, we are discussing the evidence which you have limited capacity to understand, then demand more evidence.

What revisionists call evidence, is their opinion on the technical feasibility of gassings and cremations.

What historians, lawyers, journalists and other investigators call evidence, are contemporaneous witnesses, documents, physical items, archaeology, forensics, imagery and circumstances.

[Nessie]

It pertains to the draft inducers buddy...

Your opinion on the workings and technical feasibility of the ventilation system, is not evidence, since the claim Germans designed and engineered a ventilation system back in the 1940s, is well within their technical capabilities.

The HC blog lists documents, witnesses and forensics, which are evidence. Your attempts to nit pick and cast doubt over that evidence, is your way of reinforcing your desired belief, that the gassings at A-B were hoaxed. Quite why the Nazis would run a hoax they were mass murdering people, is unfathomable, probably even to you. But, since your desire to believe it was a hoax is so strong, you are prepared to dismiss all the evidence and believe in something that is not only not evidenced, it makes no sense.

[Stubble]

It pertains to the draft inducers buddy...

Your opinion on the workings and technical feasibility of the ventilation system, is not evidence, since the claim Germans designed and engineered a ventilation system back in the 1940s, is well within their technical capabilities.

The HC blog lists documents, witnesses and forensics, which are evidence. Your attempts to nit pick and cast doubt over that evidence, is your way of reinforcing your desired belief, that the gassings at A-B were hoaxed. Quite why the Nazis would run a hoax they were mass murdering people, is unfathomable, probably even to you. But, since your desire to believe it was a hoax is so strong, you are prepared to dismiss all the evidence and believe in something that is not only not evidenced, it makes no sense.

Bro, I literally just read what was presented. It is misframed, out of context and presented as being something other than what it is.

We could keep going with more of the documents. There is not a single one that is properly captioned, represented or given context.

Throughout this thread it has been demonstrated. We can further demonstrate this if you like.

There is no dispute that the Germans could have built a ventilation system for a gas chamber. They built jet aircraft, ballistic missiles, synthetic fuel plants, developed synthetic rubber, the broke all kinds of ground in technology and engineering.

The crux here is that, they didn't. That's part of what is wrong with the narrative.

It is an issue for another thread though, because this thread is about the HC blog post and documents within. It is not a thread for insulting me, accusing me of fallacy and for making diversions.

I don't crap on you and insult your craft. I don't accuse you of fallacy. I don't divert from the discourse. I present you with the holes in the documents.

/shrug

If you could refrain from 1) Appeals to authority 2) upon learning of my credentials, not change tactics and begin insulting them, that'd be great.

Let's talk about the HC blog posts and their contents in the HC blog post.

Please and thank you.

[Nessie]

It pertains to the draft inducers buddy...

Your opinion on the workings and technical feasibility of the ventilation system, is not evidence, since the claim Germans designed and engineered a ventilation system back in the 1940s, is well within their technical capabilities.

The HC blog lists documents, witnesses and forensics, which are evidence. Your attempts to nit pick and cast doubt over that evidence, is your way of reinforcing your desired belief, that the gassings at A-B were hoaxed. Quite why the Nazis would run a hoax they were mass murdering people, is unfathomable, probably even to you. But, since your desire to believe it was a hoax is so strong, you are prepared to dismiss all the evidence and believe in something that is not only not evidenced, it makes no sense.

Bro, I literally just read what was presented. It is misframed, out of context and presented as being something other than what it is.

We could keep going with more of the documents. There is not a single one that is properly captioned, represented or given context.

Throughout this thread it has been demonstrated. We can further demonstrate this if you like.

There is no dispute that the Germans could have built a ventilation system for a gas chamber. They built jet aircraft, ballistic missiles, synthetic fuel plants, developed synthetic rubber, the broke all kinds of ground in technology and engineering.

The crux here is that, they didn't. That's part of what is wrong with the narrative.

Where is your evidence that they didn't? I want to see witnesses, documents, physical and circumstantial evidence of what was happening inside the Kremas, if it was not people undressing, their property taken for sorting, gassings and cremations.

When revisionists try to do the basic task of any historian or other investigator of past events, they fail miserably. They cannot produce a chronological history of the usage of the Kremas. Instead, they claim it was variously used as a corpse store for mass showering, to shelter from bombs and as a delousing chamber. Yet, for those innocent purposes, they cannot produce a single witness.

It is an issue for another thread though, because this thread is about the HC blog post and documents within. It is not a thread for insulting me, accusing me of fallacy and for making diversions.

I don't crap on you and insult your craft. I don't accuse you of fallacy. I don't divert from the discourse. I present you with the holes in the documents.

/shrug

If you could refrain from 1) Appeals to authority 2) upon learning of my credentials, not change tactics and begin insulting them, that'd be great.

Let's talk about the HC blog posts and their contents in the HC blog post.

Please and thank you.

The way you present me with "holes in the documents" is flawed. What you are asking me to do is the equivalent of me asking you to discuss a ventilation system I have designed, that you know would not work, whilst ignoring my total lack of training in and experience of designing such systems and without you being able to point out the flaws in my design.

[Stubble]

Your opinion on the workings and technical feasibility of the ventilation system, is not evidence, since the claim Germans designed and engineered a ventilation system back in the 1940s, is well within their technical capabilities.

The HC blog lists documents, witnesses and forensics, which are evidence. Your attempts to nit pick and cast doubt over that evidence, is your way of reinforcing your desired belief, that the gassings at A-B were hoaxed. Quite why the Nazis would run a hoax they were mass murdering people, is unfathomable, probably even to you. But, since your desire to believe it was a hoax is so strong, you are prepared to dismiss all the evidence and believe in something that is not only not evidenced, it makes no sense.

Bro, I literally just read what was presented. It is misframed, out of context and presented as being something other than what it is.

We could keep going with more of the documents. There is not a single one that is properly captioned, represented or given context.

Throughout this thread it has been demonstrated. We can further demonstrate this if you like.

There is no dispute that the Germans could have built a ventilation system for a gas chamber. They built jet aircraft, ballistic missiles, synthetic fuel plants, developed synthetic rubber, the broke all kinds of ground in technology and engineering.

The crux here is that, they didn't. That's part of what is wrong with the narrative.

Where is your evidence that they didn't? I want to see witnesses, documents, physical and circumstantial evidence of what was happening inside the Kremas, if it was not people undressing, their property taken for sorting, gassings and cremations.

When revisionists try to do the basic task of any historian or other investigator of past events, they fail miserably. They cannot produce a chronological history of the usage of the Kremas. Instead, they claim it was variously used as a corpse store for mass showering, to shelter from bombs and as a delousing chamber. Yet, for those innocent purposes, they cannot produce a single witness.

It is an issue for another thread though, because this thread is about the HC blog post and documents within. It is not a thread for insulting me, accusing me of fallacy and for making diversions.

I don't crap on you and insult your craft. I don't accuse you of fallacy. I don't divert from the discourse. I present you with the holes in the documents.

/shrug

If you could refrain from 1) Appeals to authority 2) upon learning of my credentials, not change tactics and begin insulting them, that'd be great.

Let's talk about the HC blog posts and their contents in the HC blog post.

Please and thank you.

The way you present me with "holes in the documents" is flawed. What you are asking me to do is the equivalent of me asking you to discuss a ventilation system I have designed, that you know would not work, whilst ignoring my total lack of training in and experience of designing such systems and without you being able to point out the flaws in my design.

Sir, this is a thread about the HC blog post documents. Let's talk about those.

There is a dedicated thread to the ventilation system. Its inadequacies has been covered at length there.

When you pivot back to 'preheating' the cellar, can you create a thread for it.

In the mean time, let's discuss the HC blog documents in the HC blog documents thread.

Please and thank you.

[Nessie]

The blog, "Auschwitz Index" is a list of documents, witnesses and forensic evidence that proves the modification of the Kremas to include undressing rooms, gas chambers and fast acting, multiple corpse cremation ovens. Those individual pieces of evidence do not, in isolation, prove homicidal gassings and cremations. They corroborate and provide a chronological history of events at the Kremas. That is something revisionists cannot do.

[Stubble]

*attempts reprove the modification of the Kremas.

[Nessie]

*attempts reprove the modification of the Kremas.

Revisionists don't do indexes of evidence, on account of not having any.

[Stubble]

Whole volumes and tomes have been written.the evidence abounds for a firm rebuke of the official narrative.

Articles from the IHR and CODOH, while not in a blog format, also represent this effort from revisionists.

I'm going to start a thread on the demographics of the Auschwitz Complexes, focusing on 'sick' detainees and 'healthy' detainees. We will see how that fits with the orthodox narrative...

It is a topic for another thread an thus I will not be getting into it here.

None the less, evidence for a genocidal campaign against the jews, specifically using homicidal gas chambers disguised as shower rooms is scant. Hence the use of these innocuous documents to support the claim. Which is disingenuous and leaves me even less inclined to trust the source.

/shrug