Kula vs Tauber on "Kula columns"

[Wahrheitssucher]

"the profusion of evidence"

There's no proof these columns ever existed, and no one can explain how they worked.

…I did offer a full explanation, which has not been rebutted. The only criticism is this it is over complicated (in this case post a way less complicated version that still fulfills the same function) or that it contradicts existing testimony. With your theory, there is no positive evidence, as usual, so you're in a much deeper hole.

This is a genuine question:
what benefit do you get out of posting your replies, bombsaway? What is the personal ’pay-off’ that you get?
I’m sincerely asking.

To be open and transparent, here is my answer to that same question.
No-one is paying me.
I’m not part of any group whereby I get kudos or respect from like-minded individuals.
I get no material benefit from anyone or any collective of people.
On the contrary, in our current ‘surveillance’-era, I risk a great deal by pointing out the perceived flaws in the ’shoah’ narrative.
So…
MY personal ‘pay-off’ or benefit is that I get to express and test my understanding of that narrative with strangers who will ‘shoot me down’ and correct me if I write things that are inaccurate or flat-out wrong. That way I keep my understanding tested and strong.
SUMMARY: my opinions are tested by the understanding of others, some of whom I believe have wider erudition and have greater abilities in logic and reason. Where my understanding is shown to be weak or wrong I get a chance to update and correct my understanding.

You by contrast NEVER show any ability to correct or amend when your reasoning and understanding is shown to be flawed or incorrect or fundamentally illogical.

This thread on the unevidenced Kula columns is a classic example of this.
Therefore, as you are now repeating your previously refuted arguments, I would like to ask you a more basic question about this peculiar behaviour: WHY? Why are you repeating previously refuted arguments?
What, in your opinion, is the perceived benefit to you?
I ask as, if you are genuinely here to learn or to test YOUR understanding, it doesn’t seem to be working.

[HansHill]

https://www.pasteboard.co/z_f8z8-80zyR.png

behold the mighty slopes, which Kola would have necessarily (according to you) had to mention at least once. why "necessarily" though?

you should answer this question in reference to my assertion that if millions of Jews were held in resettlement camps in Russia there should be at least a shred of direct evidence for this. compare and contrast your demand for evidence of a specific technical mechanism with my demand for evidence of any aspect of the largest population transfer in history.

*one clarification - the hooks around the bottom of the basket don't need to be actual hooks but like a rim or something that, that the slot hooks catch on it pushes it down.

Deus ex machina is a plot device, a type of denouement in which a seemingly unsolvable problem in a story is suddenly or abruptly resolved by an unexpected and unlikely occurrence. Its function is generally to resolve an otherwise irresolvable plot situation, to surprise the audience, to bring the tale to a happy ending, or act as a comedic device.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deus_ex_machina

why "necessarily" though?

Given that Kula gives us exacting measurements, a slope would be accounted for in the dimensions. The bottom dimensions would be greater than the top dimensions etc.

saying he forgot this part is fine, but then we are simply saying he got his dimensions wrong, and kicking the can down the road to saying he got his description wrong. Likewise, saying that the slopes were post-Kula modifications is also fine but now we are simply left with Kula descriptions being imprecise because he is not describing the murder weapons as used... (which is the whole point of Kula's testimony, remember?)

We are now back at square one that no singular description of these devices can be critically assessed for form, fit or function. You way out of this, as before, is Deus Ex Machina reasoning that happily resolves everything for you. These slopes cannot be critically assessed either, so they are unfalisifiable.

**Edit**

I have just reviewed your diagram, you don't mean that the bottom is wider than the top, so i retract that part. The remaining arguments stand however.

[bombsaway]

bro I'll accept the deus ex machina reasoning when you talk about why this doesn't apply to the no evidence existing for the largest population transfer in human history

it's clear there are gaps in the record that have to be resolved somehow. but how much bigger is the no resettlement gap than the Kula columns basket gap? it's bigger right?

[Archie]

https://www.pasteboard.co/z_f8z8-80zyR.png

behold the mighty slopes, which Kola would have necessarily (according to you) had to mention at least once. why "necessarily" though?

you should answer this question in reference to my assertion that if millions of Jews were held in resettlement camps in Russia there should be at least a shred of direct evidence for this. compare and contrast your demand for evidence of a specific technical mechanism with my demand for evidence of any aspect of the largest population transfer in history.

*one clarification - the hooks around the bottom of the basket don't need to be actual hooks but like a rim or something that, that the slot hooks catch on it pushes it down.

Are you not going to address any of those other points?

If you continue trying to pivot to resettlement I will just assume that means you know you are not doing well in this thread.

[HansHill]

FFS Bombsaway.

1) This thread is about the discrepancy in delivery mechanism of the pellets according to Kula vs Tauber, and the viability of these mechanisms.
2) This is not a relocation thread.
3) I regard Codoh as a living, breathing body of knowledge much like an encyclopedia, which deserves to be co-ordinated and categorized by topic or theme.
4) There are numerous other resettlement, burial, "where are they" threads that you are free to re-visit
5) There is no shortage of interest from the revisionist posters who have engaged with you at length in any number of those threads, including myself.
6) Were I to look up an encyclopedia for, say "the holocaust" and I was to find the encyclopedia authors arguing amongst themselves about say, horse shit, I would be very annoyed and probably go find a better encyclopedia.
7) Were one of the encyclopedia authors found to be intentionally sabotaging his own encyclopedia, he would be viewed unfavourably for this reason.

Please stay on point and on topic.

[bombsaway]

For you to understand why a gap in the record doesn't bother me you can think about why it is you are unbothered that your theory has a gap in the record that is a million times bigger

Same logic really, though vastly differing magnitude. It's a theoretical question not one concerning specifics of resettlement

[bombsaway]

https://www.pasteboard.co/z_f8z8-80zyR.png

behold the mighty slopes, which Kola would have necessarily (according to you) had to mention at least once. why "necessarily" though?

you should answer this question in reference to my assertion that if millions of Jews were held in resettlement camps in Russia there should be at least a shred of direct evidence for this. compare and contrast your demand for evidence of a specific technical mechanism with my demand for evidence of any aspect of the largest population transfer in history.

*one clarification - the hooks around the bottom of the basket don't need to be actual hooks but like a rim or something that, that the slot hooks catch on it pushes it down.

Are you not going to address any of those other points?

If you continue trying to pivot to resettlement I will just assume that means you know you are not doing well in this thread.

It seems like on a technical level hanshill agreed that my explanation passes muster, his critique is now that it is speculative, which I agree with, but I don't think is a serious problem, because gaps in the record, especially concerning technical details, are to be expected

[HansHill]

For you to understand why a gap in the record doesn't bother me you can think about why it is you are unbothered that your theory has a gap in the record that is a million times bigger

Same logic really, though vastly differing magnitude. It's a theoretical question not one concerning specifics of resettlement

Its not really a gap in the record though is it? It's about high IQ people sitting around for 80 years realising we have no idea how the most important and infamous murder weapon of all time operated.

[HansHill]

It seems like on a technical level hanshill agreed that my explanation passes muster, his critique is now that it is speculative, which I agree with, but I don't think is a serious problem, because gaps in the record, especially concerning technical details, are to be expected

Kinda, but also kinda not. It doesn't address for example, the clumping problem. Or how to outpace a US prison execution by constricting the pellets behind a 1mm square flynet whilst the US prison gas was unimpeded.

But i digress.

[Stubble]

Nobody agrees on how the murder instruments functioned, few agree on the materials of their construction, few agree on their shape.

Even trying to reconcile Tauber and Kula doesn't fix this.

Furthermore, this solves the very real problem of off gassing pellets for exactly 2 out of 8 alleged murder installations.

It does nothing for the basement gassing, for Kremas I, IV, and V or for the 'Farm Houses'/Bunker I Bunker II.

[bombsaway]

It seems like on a technical level hanshill agreed that my explanation passes muster, his critique is now that it is speculative, which I agree with, but I don't think is a serious problem, because gaps in the record, especially concerning technical details, are to be expected

Kinda, but also kinda not. It doesn't address for example, the clumping problem. Or how to outpace a US prison execution by constricting the pellets behind a 1mm square flynet whilst the US prison gas was unimpeded.

But i digress.

I can't speak to the clumping issue because I this would depend on particular formation of the pellets and we don't have them. The slots could be very large, almost the width of the inner column.

By the way only the inner column was supposed to be that fine. Outer columns had larger openings. If some pellets got through well hey attested to in the witness record.

[HansHill]

I can't speak to the clumping issue because I this would depend on particular formation of the pellets and we don't have them. The slots could be very large, almost the width of the inner column.

By the way only the inner column was supposed to be that fine. Outer columns had larger openings. If some pellets got through well hey attested to in the witness record.

I understand that, however the clumping issue determines the rate of offgassing and thus execution time. And in turn a gazillion other things like expected PB formation, and throughput for the furnaces etc. I get that you personally may not be interested in this variable, but as an enthusiast community, we are.

And as an enthusiast community, when critically assessing this, we have very little to go on, except for what a very small number of people (eg Kula, Tauber, Khazan etc) said, so we must be precise and critical with them to ascertain this and other variables. Otherwise there is nothing to discuss.

[Stubble]

The pellets;

https://web.archive.org/web/20150905063 ... ets-02.jpg

I believe this means we DO have them, or at least the Auschwitz Museum does...

[bombsaway]

I can't speak to the clumping issue because I this would depend on particular formation of the pellets and we don't have them. The slots could be very large, almost the width of the inner column.

By the way only the inner column was supposed to be that fine. Outer columns had larger openings. If some pellets got through well hey attested to in the witness record.

I understand that, however the clumping issue determines the rate of offgassing and thus execution time. And in turn a gazillion other things like expected PB formation, and throughput for the furnaces etc. I get that you personally may not be interested in this variable, but as an enthusiast community, we are.

And as an enthusiast community, when critically assessing this, we have very little to go on, except for what a very small number of people (eg Kula, Tauber, Khazan etc) said, so we must be precise and critical with them to ascertain this and other variables. Otherwise there is nothing to discuss.

Yeah all these questions fall outside the purview of the kula columns topic.

Imo the only thing left to discuss is the conspiracy to get witnesses to talk about the columns, you guys don't want to do this,.I get that

[HansHill]

The pellets;

https://web.archive.org/web/20150905063 ... ets-02.jpg

I believe this means we DO have them, or at least the Auschwitz Museum does...

I actually took "formation" to mean "arrangement" of the pellets, ie how they were arranged within the columns once poured / lowered*, not their physical dimensions.

*this is the exact problem we are faced with, since we don't know** were they even poured or lowered!

**well, we know they weren't poured or lowered at all because this is all a house of cards.