Historians v revisionists, methodology.

[Keen]

The Holocaust has been investigated in the same way all historical events and crimes have been investigated.

And what have the "crime scene investigations" uncovered?

It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 100 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.



Note: Using the information presented on this website and applying legal standards used in U.S. courts, the above opening / fundamental statement of fact, which is written as, and can be defined as - a rebuttable presumption - can be - LEGALLY - ACCEPTED - AS - TRUE - in a U.S. court.

Foundational scientific question: Can archaeologists prove, with 100% certainty, that millions of pounds of bones and teeth are actually buried in an alleged mass grave - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Foundational legal question: Is it reasonable to doubt that the remains of 2.145 million Jews are currently buried in the 100 specifically identified locations in question - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Foundational legal principles that easily expose this transparent archaeological hoax: BURDEN OF PRODUCTION & BURDEN OF PERSUASION & BURDEN OF PROOF.

http://thisisaboutscience.com/

[Keen]

I do not think you know how to go about evidencing there were no gas chambers.

If the physical evidence for an alleged crime that - HAS TO EXIST - for the crime to have

actually happened - DOES NOT EXIST - then the alleged crime obviously - DID NOT HAPPEN.

Ergo: The orthodox “pure extermination center” story is - A PROVEN, NONSENSICAL BIG-LIE.

[Nessie]

Here is how a historian, journalist or criminal investigator would go about determining what took place inside the Kremas. They would,

- interview staff and prisoners who worked there (it would likely be that the journalist and criminal investigator would undertake that work, rather than the historian).
- gather evidence directly pertaining to the operation of the buildings, such as documents that referenced them, or physical examinations of the structure (it may be a scientist who undertakes that physical examination on behalf of the others).
- look for circumstantial evidence as to what was taking place inside Birkenau (that evidence would be in form of documents, witnesses, photographs etc).

The main aim of the investigation would be to produce an evidenced, corroborated, chronology of events, that proves what took place inside the buildings.

It is still not clear what a revisionist would do. Instead, the drop by this thread, criticise the historical method and then run away. That they cannot produce a concise description of how they would go about investigating the usage of the Birkenau Kremas, is evidence to prove their methodology is flawed.

[Keen]

Here is how a criminal investigator would go about determining what took place

The very first thing they would do is look for the physical evidence that confirms the alleged crime.

For instance, if there was an allegation that hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of people were murdered and buried in "huge mass graves" in a precisely known location, the first thing they would do is look for the alleged "huge mass graves" that confirms the alleged mass murder.

It is still not clear what a revisionist would do.

Well, I'm not sure what a "revisionist" would do either, but a real investigator, someone who is not afraid to to speak the truth about the holohoax, would do something like this:

http://thisisaboutscience.com/

BELZEC, CHELMNO, PONARY, SOBIBOR and TREBLINKA II

Are the remains of 2.145 million Jews really buried in the 100 alleged “scientifically proven” mass graves?

(The labeling of asking this legitimate adjudicable question as “hate / antisemitic” is your first clue that they do not want you to know what the answer is.)

OPENING / FUNDAMENTAL STATEMENT OF FACT: It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 100 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.

Note: Using the information presented on this website and applying legal standards used in U.S. courts, the above opening / fundamental statement of fact, which is written as, and can be defined as - a rebuttable presumption - can be - LEGALLY - ACCEPTED - AS - TRUE - in a U.S. court.

Foundational scientific question: Can archaeologists prove, with 100% certainty, that millions of pounds of bones and teeth are actually buried in an alleged mass grave - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Foundational legal question: Is it reasonable to doubt that the remains of 2.145 million Jews are currently buried in the 100 specifically identified locations in question - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Foundational legal principles that easily expose this transparent archaeological hoax: BURDEN OF PRODUCTION & BURDEN OF PERSUASION & BURDEN OF PROOF.

[Hektor]

The Holocaust has been investigated in the same way all historical events and crimes have been investigated.

And what have the "crime scene investigations" uncovered?

It is alleged in orthodox historiography that; during WW II, the bodies and burnt remains of hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of Jews were buried in numerous “huge mass graves” at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II. However, despite all the deceptive, unsubstantiated allegations to the contrary, the truth is, the largest (in terms of quantity of remains) of the 100 graves in question that are fraudulently alleged to have been “scientifically proven” to currently exist at these five sites, in which verified human remains have been uncovered / tangibly located via bona fide, verifiably honest and conclusively documented archaeology, contained the remains of - ONLY SIX PEOPLE.



Note: Using the information presented on this website and applying legal standards used in U.S. courts, the above opening / fundamental statement of fact, which is written as, and can be defined as - a rebuttable presumption - can be - LEGALLY - ACCEPTED - AS - TRUE - in a U.S. court.

Foundational scientific question: Can archaeologists prove, with 100% certainty, that millions of pounds of bones and teeth are actually buried in an alleged mass grave - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Foundational legal question: Is it reasonable to doubt that the remains of 2.145 million Jews are currently buried in the 100 specifically identified locations in question - Yes. - or - No. - ??

Foundational legal principles that easily expose this transparent archaeological hoax: BURDEN OF PRODUCTION & BURDEN OF PERSUASION & BURDEN OF PROOF.

http://thisisaboutscience.com/

Looking at the photo. Does that look like a mass grave from an extermination camp to you?
Or does it rather look like occasional burials of individuals and small groups of people like in occasional death from epidemic for example?

[Nessie]

I see from Hektor's quote, Keen is still suggesting that there is a lack of evidence of mass graves. To prove no mass graves, would need witnesses who worked inside the camp, who stated there were no mass graves, or geophysics that finds undisturbed ground. Claiming that multiple pits found by geophysics in the same part of the camp that witnesses state the main mass graves were dug, is not corroborating evidence to prove mass graves, is denial of reality. It is a classic example of why so-called Holocaust revisionists are in fact Holocaust deniers.

As for Hektor's comment,

Looking at the photo. Does that look like a mass grave from an extermination camp to you?
Or does it rather look like occasional burials of individuals and small groups of people like in occasional death from epidemic for example?

Why would the find of a small mass grave of only a few persons, preclude the existence of larger mass graves at the site?