Criticism of Jews as a Collective (Not Just as Individuals) is Ethical and Warranted

[Nazgul]

Let's end this threadjack though, the meandering down this line is not in the spirit of the thread.

I agree, I started a thread at RODOH to discuss this sad young man if you wish to contribute. https://rodoh.info/post/19705/thread

[Stubble]

Let's end this threadjack though, the meandering down this line is not in the spirit of the thread.

I agree, I started a thread at RODOH to discuss this sad young man if you wish to contribute. https://rodoh.info/post/19705/thread

[Callafangers]

I haven't logged on in a few days (and only just briefly scanned the recent back-and-forth) but am glad to see folks here have corralled it back into order. Thank you Stubble and Nazgul for your efforts.

I recognized this topic could be contentious and subject to derails so hopefully we can still find its relevance to the Holocaust, since this is indeed the subforum we are currently on. The question of Jewish collective action insofar as its relation to the Holocaust (even if indirectly) -- but more specifically on the question of whether the Jewish collective can be criticized as such at all, given such criticism may be important in relation to the 'Holocaust' -- is the intended topic, allowing some wiggle-room for slight or occasional deviation from the Holocaust specifically but while using reasonable tact and common sense to that end, and always putting credible evidence and valid inferences front-and-center.

Let's please strive for this going forward, keeping the goal of adding value to our understanding of the 'Holocaust' as the core objective.

[Stubble]

I feel that all of this bears repeating. I also feel it ties into past and current events like a red thread.

CJ, you pretend to want me to spoon feed you a whole hog, while you refuse to open up for the airplane.

This might surprise you, but, the economic collapse of weimar is a complex topic and requires a lot of information to be conveyed.

When I give you links to a speech and a book, and you respond in minutes saying you don't understand why I linked them, I can only assume it is because you elected not to assimilate anything from them.

I suppose I will now provide a list of names in categories for you, as you are utterly incapable of even the slightest cursory research on your own, instead relying on AI to arm you with what you assume are quality weapons (arguments).

Some notable jewish communist agitators and intelligentsia;

Rosa Luxemburg

Karl Liebknecht

Kurt Eisner

Hugo Haase

Clara Zetkin

Notable jewish financial leaders that manipulated the economy of post war Germany;

Walther Rathenau

Albert Ballin

Jakob Goldschmid

Felix Warburg

Paul Warburg

Some notable jewish progenitors of social rot;

Arnold Zweig

Kurt Tucholsky

Magnus Hirschfeld

Siegfried Kracauer

Erich Mühsam

Some notable jewish propagandists and 'consensus makers'/public opinion manufacturers;

Walter Rathenau

Theodor Wolff

Ernst Toller

Karl Radek

Paul Levi

No doubt to this you will retort, but, this is such a small handful of people, and, jews are not a monolith, after all, not every jew was a communist etc. To this my reply is that you should closely examine the speech by Hitler given at the Siemens dynamo plant and his speech freedom or slavery.

This smattering of names is not exhaustive, it is illustrative however, given the prominence of the names listed.

Was every jew involved in 'the jewish renaissance' known as weimar, the exploitation of the German volk and the usurpation of an entire nation? In so far as they denied then and deny now the nepotism, subversion and corrosion of culture that happened there, yes, they bare some guilt. You yourself minimize and deny the impact of jewish influence on the wreck that was weimar.

In short, those who forget the past, are condemned to relive it.

For posterity, some Ernst Zundel on the crux of the issue;

https://odysee.com/@WorldTruthSeekers:6 ... nterview:7

Dismiss, deflect, deny...



Just for the record, I had panned out to include ideological subversion and demoralization and media manufacture of public opinion.





Food for thought, when something is for posterity, it is not for you, but for others.

I understand that you think you are the only person on earth that anyone is ever addressing.

Unfortunately, I completely understand that you will not read, you will not watch a video and you will not listen to audio. You have made that painfully clear.

You will copy and paste to and from AI though, and never actually engage with source material or post from yourself any original thought.



Shorter, maybe you have time for it, maybe you don't. It might suit your attention span;



Bonus;

The chapter the material is clipped from is linked above.

A speech from Commander Rockwell given in 1966 (shortly before his murder) at Brown University (his Alma Mater)



Audio is pretty bad during the intro but is better during the speech.

This is the 'shocking facts' speech.

For those who won't listen to the speech, Kill_your_tv has been kind enough to again provide a short selection of clips from it in a song I will place here.



Tommy Sotomayor has some incredible insight in this clip, so I will leave it here as well.

The tactics and tools used by some jews to try to control and exploit all of mankind have not radically changed, nor are they anything new. The same criticisms of 100 years ago continue to apply.

From Moses to Lenin is an excellent primer on many of the points that continue to cause friction. These bits and Bob's in my previous post should be illuminating as well. Bombsaway thought it was caricature, but, it isn't. Fact check it, listen to it.



It is absolutely insane, and furthermore, it's TRUE. I know many find it hard to believe, even many of the jewish faith. Unfortunately, they aren't in on the 'gag' or whatever.

[Nazgul]

Let's please strive for this going forward, keeping the goal of adding value to our understanding of the 'Holocaust' as the core objective.

Years ago in the second incarnation of RODOH, I investigated how the AJA along with Samuel Untermeyer who declared war on the Reich had the potential to alter the Jewish Population Figures of Europe prior to the war. Untermeyer was a Zionist, so it would be strategic to alter the population stats after his declaration of war on the Reich. They controlled the publication of the Jewish population almanacs of the time. This strategic move would have been in expectation of a real war. The verbal attack on the Reich asking the Jews of Germany to boycott German goods would have made it certain that the Jews of Germany would be declared 5th columnists once the real bullets started flying. It is evident that during the 30s the Jewish Population of Europe rose dramatically, despite there being a World War some 10 years prior, which Jews of Europe died as soldiers.

It is my investigations that show that the Jewish Poplation of Europe was increased by roughly 6 million for strategic purposes. Extrapolating modern reliable figures of the world Jewish Population back show a linear graph, except for the 1930 onwards figures. The following graph roughly represents the findings. This is easily replicable. The historical Jewish population figures are all online. While Untermeyer and gang may have altered the figures, there is still an increase during WWI. This finding needs addressing, considering many male Jews were away fighting and dying, not procreating.
The slope would have no Jews in the world prior to about 1750 which we all know is not true.
The modern slope of Jewish population figures from 1948 to 2008 is accurate. It must also be remembered that prior to modern times, the definition of a Jew was undetermined, a mixture of ethnicity and religion. Due to diaspora the population is at best a guestimate with no accurate or reliable data, that is until modern times after the second world war.

[Stubble]

Let's please strive for this going forward, keeping the goal of adding value to our understanding of the 'Holocaust' as the core objective.

Years ago in the second incarnation of RODOH, I investigated how the AJA along with Samuel Untermeyer who declared war on the Reich had the potential to alter the Jewish Population Figures of Europe prior to the war. Untermeyer was a Zionist, so it would be strategic to alter the population stats after his declaration of war on the Reich. They controlled the publication of the Jewish population almanacs of the time. This strategic move would have been in expectation of a real war. The verbal attack on the Reich asking the Jews of Germany to boycott German goods would have made it certain that the Jews of Germany would be declared 5th columnists once the real bullets started flying. It is evident that during the 30s the Jewish Population of Europe rose dramatically, despite there being a World War some 10 years prior, which Jews of Europe died as soldiers.

It is my investigations that show that the Jewish Poplation of Europe was increased by roughly 6 million for strategic purposes. Extrapolating modern reliable figures of the world Jewish Population back show a linear graph, except for the 1930 onwards figures. The following graph roughly represents the findings. This is easily replicable. The historical Jewish population figures are all online. While Untermeyer and gang may have altered the figures, there is still an increase during WWI. This finding needs addressing, considering many male Jews were away fighting and dying, not procreating.
The slope would have no Jews in the world prior to about 1750 which we all know is not true.
The modern slope of Jewish population figures from 1948 to 2008 is accurate. It must also be remembered that prior to modern times, the definition of a Jew was undetermined, a mixture of ethnicity and religion. Due to diaspora the population is at best a guestimate with no accurate or reliable data, that is until modern times after the second world war.

This time period in question is precisely at the beginning of the '6,000,000 in peril' quip, is it not? Perhaps this was 'pouring down the sod' and laying the groundwork for the later statistically aberrant 'missing jews' that no one can name even 80 years after the fact.

The graph you have lays out the issue fairly precisely, at a time that should be a population bust, there is a population boom. (The war to end all wars and the great depression)

[Nazgul]

The graph you have lays out the issue fairly precisely, at a time that should be a population bust, there is a population boom. (The war to end all wars and the great depression)

Indeed and a topic of serious analysis and discussion. I am not blaming Untermeyer now as I did initially, except to say they had the means and motive to do so. All the detractors did years ago when I first noticed the aberration was to mention the quality of the graph, they did not understand linear progression nor the line of best fit.

What is also not understood is the natural attrition of the Jewish population over time. Ashkenazi Jews have a host of congenital conditions which could not be treated due to war. Genocide was also performed in that the sexes were segregated, so the birth rate is negligible; that with disease as what happened at Belsen, war collatoral damage a good number of Jews would have suffered. It was calculated about 2 million would have died of attrition, increased due to war demands, no birth rate to replace the death rate. If 4 million went missing these are the paper Jews, statistical anomalies that were never born.

[Stubble]

The current explanations ring hollow for me. We have a thread on this don't we? Might be time to bump it.

[Nazgul]

The current explanations ring hollow for me. We have a thread on this don't we? Might be time to bump it.

I think I started one on this and got a free online book here by Dr Terry. I agree it needs bumping. Sadly all the work that was done on this was last when the other forum got lost. What is clear is that Untermeyer and the AJA were integral in obtaining population data and publishing the Jewish world almanacs. Untermeyer asked Jews to declare war on the Reich, he was a Zionist. He escalated the Jewish problem for the Germans.

[Stubble]

I was apparently thinking of the althype population miracle thread.

Looks like there needs to be a new thread minted.

As you say, this merits a look Sir.

Of note, this statistical aberration indicates a multi generational collective effort by a group of jews to manipulate census data and inflate the numbers for when a catastrophe would happen (not if) and it explains why nobody has any clue 'who' is missing, only that it's, 6,000,000.

[Nazgul]

I was apparently thinking of the althype population miracle thread.

Looks like there needs to be a new thread minted.

As you say, this merits a look Sir.

Of note, this statistical aberration indicates a multi generational collective effort by a group of jews to manipulate census data and inflate the numbers for when a catastrophe would happen (not if) and it explains why nobody has any clue 'who' is missing, only that it's, 6,000,000.

That statistical data is there. I have investigated it, but need others to review this.

[Nessie]

I was apparently thinking of the althype population miracle thread.

Looks like there needs to be a new thread minted.

As you say, this merits a look Sir.

Of note, this statistical aberration indicates a multi generational collective effort by a group of jews to manipulate census data and inflate the numbers for when a catastrophe would happen (not if) and it explains why nobody has any clue 'who' is missing, only that it's, 6,000,000.

Prior to WWII, there were reports of 2, 3, 3.5, 4 and 5 million Jews at risk from repression, many of which referred to the Soviets. When the WWII death toll was agreed on between 5 and 6 million by historians and the press latched onto 6 million, why do so-called revisionists only refer to the prewar articles about 6 million, and they ignore the rest? Why do they ignore many articles were about being at risk from the Soviets, when supposedly the Soviets they supported the Jews, faking the Holocaust?

As for no clue who is missing, national censuses and Nazi statistics have produced some very accurate, detailed figures and the archives are full of the names of Jews who died during the war.

[Wahrheitssucher]

So why is it not acceptable to you to discuss the ability of jewish collectives to convince governments, msm and gullible populations around the world to believe and/or spread their lies, deceptions and cover-ups happening now?
That’s a genuine question.

It seems you are antisemitic…

No it doesn’t “seem” that to you. That is a deceit.
You know I’m not.
I have good friends who are semites.
I just posted in reply to your false accusation and smear tactic a list of jews who I regard as heroes of humanity. I.e. the very best of us as a species.
So how can I have an irrational prejudice against all semitic people because they are of semitic origin?

For some reason you are denying reality and resorting to a classic zionist tactic: viz. the a-s ad hominem smear.

Only you know why you are misrepresenting the point of my post with this deception and false accusation.

I have no intention of discussing the Jewish issue with you here as it is not holocaust related.

Again, you know it is related.

I seek facts, and interpretation of facts…

Another deception or self-delusion as you know that is precisely the argument Nessie, CJ, Bombsaway and most holyH true-believers use when they deny, obfuscate and avoid facts that do not fit with their belief system.

To any other readers:
this person recently stated they don’t want to engage with a “conspiratorial mind-set”.
What else is holocaust revisionism?
The whole premise of the revision of the currently enforced WW2 narrative is that a “collective” “conspired” to misinform, deceive and obscure the facts about the actual jewish experience during WW2.

Quote recently posted from Arthur Butz:

the picture I had formed by the summer of 1972 was in such overwhelming contradiction to the lies that Western society had equipped me with,
…it was evident that my research had carried the subject beyond the existing literature, I felt an inescapable obligation and an intellectual imperative to put forward for society’s evaluation what I knew about this most pernicious hoax.

Lies enforced worldwide to create a deliberate hoax require a “collective” to successfully “conspire” together.
The point of my post was to express my incredulity that people can have such a ‘conspiratorial mind-set’ that they have successfully seen through and discarded the years of conditioning and MSM misinformation around the collective-jewish narrative of a mass-gassing extermination programme concocted in the 1940s, yet can't see through misinformation from the same collective occurring now.

The perception that a zionist jewish collective is behind the Kirk killing is definitely not fringe. It's widespread.
See here for mention of numerous, distinguished, experienced, credible people who have publicly expressed it.
(And btw, the article's author is jewish.)
https://www.unz.com/runz/israel-charlie ... 1-attacks/
and here:
https://www.unz.com/runz/the-assassinat ... rlie-kirk/

And if you are someone who has believed the official MSM and FBI narrative that Tyler Robinson is definitely the killer, I can only assume you haven’t been paying much attention to the narrative.

[Nessie]

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Lies enforced worldwide to create a deliberate hoax require a “collective” to successfully “conspire” together.

It is the scale of the hoax alleged, that needs a collective made up of Nazis, Jews, Soviets, the eastern European countries and the western Allies, to successfully conspire together over many decades, that makes it so implausible. Only someone who thinks that massive, international conspiracies, such as there being a collective of international Jews, who will and are able to work together, is possible, will fall for the Holocaust revisionist hoax.

[Nazgul]

And if you are someone who has believed the official MSM and FBI narrative that Tyler Robinson is definitely the killer, I can only assume you haven’t been paying much attention to the narrative.

I think we can leave this to the justice system of the land and not fall in to some mindless rabbit hole within a spacious hiatus.