Criticism of Jews as a Collective (Not Just as Individuals) is Ethical and Warranted

[Nazgul]

This forum seems to me to be unduly quiet about collective, jewish, nefarious activity happening right now in real time. Plus extremely silent regarding the gaslighting propaganda, misinformation and blatant government support and MSM support for collective jewish lying.
Any person with even a modicum of intelligence and discernment witnessing the Whitehouse press briefings over the last two years should know now with absolute certainty that the US government is unashamedly repeating jewish-zionist LIES.

We are NOW witnessing illegal activity perpetrated by jewish collectives on a massive scale — with related lying about it also on a massive scale.

This is rather obviously related to the holocaust industry and the collective jewish propagation of an enforced mythology all done with government support and funding.

A question that occurs when anyone first starts to see the level of mass-delusion created about WW2 and the jewish experience within it, is: “is it really possible for a minority group who are less than 2% of the world population, could perpetrate such a deception for so long over so many people?”

Well, yeah it is possible.

As they went on to do with a collective-jewish assassination programme of people like JFK, LHOswald, Jack Rubenstein, RFK, Olaf Palme, Anna Lindh, Robin Cook, 911, the USS Liberty, Robert Maxwell, Iranian nuclear scientists, the plutoniim poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko, etc., etc.

And now we have the filmed and displayed public execution / blood sacrifice of Charlie Kirk.

And yet here, not a single word.

I find it curious that we delve so deeply into a deception of alleged and exaggerated atrocities against a tiny percentage of civilians during the most colossal war in human history — a colossal carnage declared (by themselves) to have been started by the international collective of jewry in March of 1933. A mythology concocted over eight decades ago. And yet we say almost nothing about the massive crimes of the same collective in our own times.

From another perspective, Jews are actually the premiere practitioners of human sacrifice. They have been conjuring up false or exaggerated images of outsiders (goyim) supposedly plotting to kill Jews, as an excuse for Jews to rise and kill the goyim first, for millennia. As I tire of repeating: The old joke that every Jewish holiday is the same—“they tried to kill us, we killed them first, let’s eat”—suggests that the “they tried to kill us” part is highly dubious. Pharaoh’s plot to kill every Jewish firstborn, Haman’s plot to kill all the Jews of Persia, Amalek’s nebulous designs on killing Jews, Hitler’s plot to throw all the Jews in gas chambers, the Kazakhstanis’ plot to throw the Jew down the well (recounted in The Book of Borat) and of course the Palestinians’ alleged effort to throw the Jews in the sea all fail to pass the smell test.

Similarly, the alleged radical Muslim attack on Jew-heavy Lower Manhattan 24 years ago turned out to be a fraud whose real purpose was to trick the Americans into killing—you guessed it—“the enemies of the Jews.” And it worked. The Americans killed millions and laid waste to the Middle East (and, more subtly, to themselves).

If Israel did indeed kill Charlie Kirk on the eve of the 9/11 anniversary, in a sacrificial false flag designed to unite conservative supporters of Israel behind the ever-accelerating genocide—and to shore up support for Israel’s beleaguered genocide puppet, Donald Trump—we may expect more such attempts to scapegoat real and ostensible enemies of Israel, and to legitimize ever-greater violence against them.

https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/charlie-ki ... sacrifice/

While you may be correct, it think it might be more productive to focus on the nation of IsRaEl and their supporter than focusing on ethnicity. Not all Jews are supporters of the state of Israel but support Palestine in their endeavours for sovereignty.

Jewish people in the past have tended to be "business" people rather than say farming people, over the years forming collective practises we may disagree with such as usary. Some have become extremely wealthy, that elite we now call "International Jewry", who like Elon Musk have supported political purposes for their own self interest. I find Musk more dangerous than they.

Nothing last for ever, and like Musk, the international Jew has had their day. I do not find it useful attacking Jews when it is only a few of them are are pains in the gluteus maximus. The state of Israel is worthy of condemnation.

[Stubble]

I can't speak for the forum as a whole, but, I will say I have been vocal about my counter semitism. It just isn't the focus of the forum really, and there are other places to voice it, especially with regard to current events.

The bread and butter here, is and should be, open debate of the event referred to as 'The Holocaust' in an effort to parse the truth from the lies. To determine what is true, what is exaggerated and what is a lie.

Over the last 8 decades, progress was made. The human soap myth, jew lampshades etc were dispelled.

In the past few years, some have sought to revive these long debunked claims, and any let up on our part opposing lies would no doubt lead to a revival of further atrocity propaganda.

jews exercise an extremely outsized influence on politics both globally and domestically here in the United States. This should be exposed an opposed. I don't think this is the proper venue to focus on current events however and I suggest stormfront, kiwifarms and others as better 'sandboxes' for that particular fight.

[Wahrheitssucher]

This forum seems to me to be unduly quiet about collective, jewish, nefarious activity happening right now in real time. Plus extremely silent regarding the gaslighting propaganda, misinformation and blatant government support and MSM support for collective jewish lying.
Any person with even a modicum of intelligence and discernment witnessing the Whitehouse press briefings over the last two years should know now with absolute certainty that the US government is unashamedly repeating jewish-zionist LIES.

We are NOW witnessing illegal activity perpetrated by jewish collectives on a massive scale — with related lying about it also on a massive scale.

This is rather obviously related to the holocaust industry and the collective jewish propagation of an enforced mythology all done with government support and funding.

A question that occurs when anyone first starts to see the level of mass-delusion created about WW2 and the jewish experience within it, is: “is it really possible for a minority group who are less than 2% of the world population, could perpetrate such a deception for so long over so many people?”

Well, yeah it is possible.

As they went on to do with a collective-jewish assassination programme of people like JFK, LHOswald, Jack Rubenstein, RFK, Olaf Palme, Anna Lindh, Robin Cook, 911, the USS Liberty, Robert Maxwell, Iranian nuclear scientists, the plutoniim poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko, etc., etc.

And now we have the filmed and displayed public execution / blood sacrifice of Charlie Kirk.

And yet here, not a single word.

I find it curious that we delve so deeply into a deception of alleged and exaggerated atrocities against a tiny percentage of civilians during the most colossal war in human history — a colossal carnage declared (by themselves) to have been started by the international collective of jewry in March of 1933. A mythology concocted over eight decades ago. And yet we say almost nothing about the massive crimes of the same collective in our own times.

From another perspective, Jews are actually the premiere practitioners of human sacrifice. They have been conjuring up false or exaggerated images of outsiders (goyim) supposedly plotting to kill Jews, as an excuse for Jews to rise and kill the goyim first, for millennia. As I tire of repeating: The old joke that every Jewish holiday is the same—“they tried to kill us, we killed them first, let’s eat”—suggests that the “they tried to kill us” part is highly dubious. Pharaoh’s plot to kill every Jewish firstborn, Haman’s plot to kill all the Jews of Persia, Amalek’s nebulous designs on killing Jews, Hitler’s plot to throw all the Jews in gas chambers, the Kazakhstanis’ plot to throw the Jew down the well (recounted in The Book of Borat) and of course the Palestinians’ alleged effort to throw the Jews in the sea all fail to pass the smell test.

Similarly, the alleged radical Muslim attack on Jew-heavy Lower Manhattan 24 years ago turned out to be a fraud whose real purpose was to trick the Americans into killing—you guessed it—“the enemies of the Jews.” And it worked. The Americans killed millions and laid waste to the Middle East (and, more subtly, to themselves).

If Israel did indeed kill Charlie Kirk on the eve of the 9/11 anniversary, in a sacrificial false flag designed to unite conservative supporters of Israel behind the ever-accelerating genocide—and to shore up support for Israel’s beleaguered genocide puppet, Donald Trump—we may expect more such attempts to scapegoat real and ostensible enemies of Israel, and to legitimize ever-greater violence against them.

https://www.unz.com/kbarrett/charlie-ki ... sacrifice/

While you may be correct, it think it might be more productive to focus on the nation of IsRaEl and their supporter than focusing on ethnicity. Not all Jews are supporters of the state of Israel but support Palestine in their endeavours for sovereignty.

Jewish people in the past have tended to be "business" people rather than say farming people, over the years forming collective practises we may disagree with such as usary. Some have become extremely wealthy, that elite we now call "International Jewry", who like Elon Musk have supported political purposes for their own self interest. I find Musk more dangerous than they.

Nothing last for ever, and like Musk, the international Jew has had their day.
I do not find it useful attacking Jews when it is only a few of them are are pains in the gluteus maximus. The state of Israel is worthy of condemnation.

You have misunderstood and MISREPRESENTED my post, Nazgul.

I have NOT attacked all jews.
I talked only about collectives that consist entirely of jews.
This is an obvious reality and has been an observed phenomona for centuries.
That you misunderstood and MISREPRESENTED the observation I suggest to you is a sign of how successfully we have all been brainwashed into regarding the perception of this glaringly obvious reality as a prejudice against each and every single jewish person.

Jewish people like Ilian Pappe, Max Blumenthal, Miko Peled, Norman Finkelstein, etc., etc., are great heroes of humanity for courageously denouncing current COLLECTIVE JEWISH CRIMINALITY!!!!

So now I’m curious — why can’t you bring yourself to do that?

And why didn’t you acknowledge the point about the high probability that the Kirk killing was a zionist execution to silence someone who had openly started to expose his zionist paymasters and to distract from the zionist genocide in Gaza, plus to permit the erosion of civil liberties?

[Wahrheitssucher]

I can't speak for the forum as a whole, but, I will say I have been vocal about my counter semitism. It just isn't the focus of the forum really, and there are other places to voice it, especially with regard to current events.

The bread and butter here, is and should be, open debate of the event referred to as 'The Holocaust' in an effort to parse the truth from the lies. To determine what is true, what is exaggerated and what is a lie.

Over the last 8 decades, progress was made. The human soap myth, jew lampshades etc were dispelled.

In the past few years, some have sought to revive these long debunked claims, and any let up on our part opposing lies would no doubt lead to a revival of further atrocity propaganda.

jews exercise an extremely outsized influence on politics both globally and domestically here in the United States. This should be exposed an opposed. I don't think this is the proper venue to focus on current events however and I suggest stormfront, kiwifarms and others as better 'sandboxes' for that particular fight.

The salient point is about the ability of a tiny minority to perpetuate lies and psy-op mass-delusions on an epic scale.
You didn’t notice that, Stubble?

[Stubble]

Mr Seeker, of course I am a 'noticer'.

You appear to be missing my point.

Times and places brother. Times and places.

[Nazgul]

And why didn’t you acknowledge the point about the high probability that the Kirk killing was a zionist execution to silence someone who had openly started to expose his zionist paymasters and to distract from the zionist genocide in Gaza, plus to permit the erosion of civil liberties?

Sounds like a wacko conspiracy theory to me. Any hard evidence? I am sure the police investigators will try and find out what was behind the mind of Tyler Robinson to establish a motive.

You were not misrepresented but antisemitism, which is the aim of your thread has no place. This is why I suggested concentrate on the State of Israel.

[Wahrheitssucher]

Mr Seeker, of course I am a 'noticer'.

You appear to be missing my point.

Times and places brother. Times and places.

This is a place for holy-H related discussion.
The ability of jewish-collectives to get governments worldwide to sponsor, fund and enforce a mass-deception I am suggesting is highly relevant to holyH discussion.
This topic-thread is about exposing such machinations by jewish collectives.

We are witnessing daily occurrences of such governmental and MSM deception for and by jewish collectives.
Plus blatant disregard of international law when it serves collective jewish interests.
Just as at the post-war, jewish organised Nürnberg show-trials.

Yet no-one here says a word about it.

Not only that, two people immediately argue it isn’t relevant, nor an appropriate topic here.

I again suggest that is a huge blind-spot.

[Wahrheitssucher]

And why didn’t you acknowledge the point about the high probability that the Kirk killing was a zionist execution to silence someone who had openly started to expose his zionist paymasters and to distract from the zionist genocide in Gaza, plus to permit the erosion of civil liberties?

.. antisemitism, which is the aim of your thread…

You are repeating the false accusation. Only you know why.

[Nazgul]

I don't think this is the proper venue to focus on current events however and I suggest stormfront, kiwifarms and others as better 'sandboxes' for that particular fight.

I totally agree Stubble. Attacking Jews here would seem we are fighting the holocaust claims due to anti-semitism. This plays into the hands of the likes of Nessie, Dr Terry, Bombsaway and others. I attack the holocaust claims as I have seen no evidence to support it, evidence of true integrity any how. A few eyewitnesses to me, many under duress count for little.

[Nazgul]

You are repeating the false accusation. Only you know why.

I have no intention of trying to read a convoluted conspiracy mindset. This forum is for holocaust related issues not attacks on International Jews, whether they deserve it or not. However, on RODOH if you wish to join, Been There would support your line of thinking. There are whole threads on the points raised.

[Stubble]

Mr Seeker, of course I am a 'noticer'.

You appear to be missing my point.

Times and places brother. Times and places.

This is a place for holy-H related discussion.
The ability of jewish-collectives to get governments worldwide to sponsor, fund and enforce a mass-deception I am suggesting is highly relevant to holyH discussion.
This topic-thread is about exposing such machinations by jewish collectives.

We are witnessing daily occurrences of such governmental and MSM deception for and by jewish collectives.
Plus blatant disregard of international law when it serves collective jewish interests.
Just as at the post-war, jewish organised Nürnberg show-trials.

Yet no-one here says a word about it.

Not only that, two people immediately argue it isn’t relevant, nor an appropriate topic here.

I again suggest that is a huge blind-spot.

Mr Seeker, I like you, and I don't intend to unload on you here and now.

It absolutely must be said that threads on this forum, such as the one we are currently in as well as 'on pogroms', 'the truth about jewish expulsions' etc indeed exist. They are generally properly collated in the correct sub forums.

The debate sub forum is for the holy h specifically.

The relationship of the jews with setting the narrative and its propagation is a complex topic to be sure, and personally I find it counter productive to ignore the work of the OSS, mi6, KGB, Polish government in exile etc and to try to pin all of the blame on 'the jews'.

That's not to say 'jews didn't have a finger in the pie', but more to say, it was a very big pie and there were many hands.

Regarding Mr Kirk, I'm going to pen something. As a summary, it wasn't 'Mossad', 'Israel' or 'the jews'.

On Charlie;

Charlie Kirk was shot by a >colorful expletives< because he was in a relationship with a neuro divergent gender confused homosexual. He was also active on discord in 'the community' and was 'antifa'. Of course, antifa are and always have been jewish foot soldiers. They probably aren't aware of it, and likely see themselves as 'defenders of democracy' but, at the end of the day, you need to look, root and stem, at antifa and then you will see the jewish influence.

Thus is not the same as 'mossad done it' or 'Israel done it'. There is a jewish fingerprint for sure, but, it's ideological, not physical.

[Wahrheitssucher]

You are repeating the false accusation. Only you know why.

This forum is for holocaust related issues…

Some self-evident facts not yet comprehended by you, Nazgul.

1. I didn’t start this topic thread.
2. It was started by someone else who considered this subject relevant to ‘holocaust’ understanding.
3. They created it in the sub-section ‘holocaust debate’.
4. Therefore it is fair to describe it as a “holocaust related issue” even if you can’t see that yet.
5. Jews definitely do operate as collectives for perceived collective jewish interests.
What else do you think the land-theft called ‘Israel’ is if not that?
6. You consider that creation of a fake democracy and false sovereignty worthy of criticism, analysis and investigation. So why is it not acceptable to you to discuss the ability of jewish collectives to convince governments, msm and gullible populations around the world to believe and/or spread their lies, deceptions and cover-ups happening now?
That’s a genuine question.
I’m genuinely intrigued why you (and the other participants here) can see through the lies concocted eight decades ago by a jewish collective — lies that you are prepared to investigate, dissect, and discuss endlessly — even though they are lies that don’t impact OUR lives in anywhere near the same way as the current machinations by jewish collectives do.
Why is that?

[Nazgul]

Charlie Kirk was shot by a >colorful expletives< because he was in a relationship with a neuro divergent gender confused homosexual. He was also active on discord in 'the community' and was 'antifa'. Of course, antifa are and always have been jewish foot soldiers. They probably aren't aware of it, and likely see themselves as 'defenders of democracy' but, at the end of the day, you need to look, root and stem, at antifa and then you will see the jewish influence.

Thus is not the same as 'mossad done it' or 'Israel done it'. There is a jewish fingerprint for sure, but, it's ideological, not physical.

Tyler Robinson, a 22 year old shot Charlie Kirk, who represented old fashioned christian values; his views are more in line with the Westboro baptist church and Fred Phelps who hates gays.

Tyler it seems has Mormon roots. raised in Utah, completing an electrical apprenticeship program at Dixie Technical College. Utah County prosecutor Jeffrey Gray said that Robinson's mother told investigators that her son had become more political over the last year and had started to "lean more to the left, becoming more pro-gay and trans rights-oriented". No evidence has been found with connections to left wing groups such as Antifa.

It seems that Tyler saw Kirks views as hate speech saying "I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be negotiated out," to his transgender room mate.

The US has become increasingly polarized, more than most western countries it seems. Issues of a sexual nature such as LGTBQ+, abortion are exasperated by misinformation, prejudices fuelled by political ambitions and ignorance. I do not agree with the tactics used by the young man Tyler, but it is clear he felt he was fighting for his freedom and willing to pay the price. For some people, enough is enough and reach a breaking point when pushed too far. By suggesting he was "in a relationship with a neuro divergent gender confused homosexual", is assuming a sexual relationship which is probably not the case. It is possible that Tyler was bisexual coming to terms with himself willing to face the death penalty.

[Nazgul]

So why is it not acceptable to you to discuss the ability of jewish collectives to convince governments, msm and gullible populations around the world to believe and/or spread their lies, deceptions and cover-ups happening now?
That’s a genuine question.

It seems you are antisemitic, and such antics are not appropriate for a holocaust forum. I mentioned you could discuss this at the history forum within certain guidelines.

I am not a moderator here, so the due consideration must be up to Archie or Fangers.
I have no intention of discussing the Jewish issue with you here as it is not holocaust related. I seek facts, and interpretation of facts, not idle speculation on some perceived groups Jewish or otherwise.
I have shown elsewhere that Samuel Untermeyer and the AJA had influence over the Jewish population figures prior to 1939, the same man who declared war on the Reich. Have a nice day.

[Stubble]

Dude, I must stress 'bella ciao'....

He was most certainly antifa.

There is more 'anti fascist' scribblings in his online footprint. For archives of his activities, I recommend checking the kiwifarms post regarding the shooting.

Let's end this threadjack though, the meandering down this line is not in the spirit of the thread.