The Kola Study - An Own Goal by Team Holocaust

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Belzec appears extreme for the packing of corpses into what was effectively a landfill site

"A landfill site"! for "liquid" jews!!!

This just keeps getting better and better.

And "extreme packing"! That sounds like something you do with Roberto on a weekend night.

If I were arguing that side I wouldn't even mention the landfill possibility since that makes the already inadequate soil disruptions even less impressive.

In Nick's defense, I believe he was attacking SOP here and trying to elucidate his point that to Ze Germans these people were simply a matter of Human Waste, not talking about the 'Property Disposal' hypothesis.

I'd like to add something, this waste burden would have been 'Infectious Human Waste' and a vector for disease. Hence, SOP existed.

Corpse handling, not unlike the handling of Hydrogen Cyanide Gas, is not something to be glossed over. Just as it would be quite cavalier to homicidally gas people in an occupied building, it would be at least equally cavalier to ignore SOP with regard to corpse disposal.

[Keen]

In Nick's defense...

Let's keep one thing in mind here about high BMI / low IQ Nick; he espouses the big-lie that jews, in a state of "wax-fat transformation," were "located" within "huge mass graves" by Kola at not only Belzec, but Sobibor as well. Kola's Belzec allegations have never been substantiated, and at Sobibor, they were exposed as lies.

Kola is a proven liar / fraud, just like reality denier Nick is. Neither has an ounce of credibility

So I repeat, not one body in a "wax-fat transformation" has ever been proven to exist at Belzec. (Or Sobibor.)

NOT. ONE.

Hey Nick, how bout you show me that which you allege I deny?

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In addition to that Keen, it appears he is making some pivots to maximize the alleged grave space by spreading the event out and adding new supposed mass graves.

This is novel. I will say though, it is one way to get around the problem of no mass graves. To say 'for 80 years everyone was wrong', 'the bodies were never over here, no, no, they were over there all along, see!'.

Of course, this new exterminationist defense will have to be opposed, now that the wheels appear to have fallen off the other one, thus necessitating this new 'hypothesis' from the orthodoxy.

Personally, I'm rather non plussed about this 'side step' to the 'where'd they go' conundrum from Nick. It seems just when I think a step forward has been made, I'm told to go back to the starting block and do the run again.

Just wash, rinse and repeat.

Unless I can show Nick where the living went, they are dead some place, having been, i don't know, shot now instead of gassed or something.

The story will continue to evolve i guess until 5 jews were gassed in a homicidal gas chamber disguised as a shower room next to the 'soap factory' at the university or whatever, but, by golly gee, human soap, homicidal gassings, human lamp shades, shrunken heads and tattooed jew skin pocket books are real dammit...

/shrug

[Keen]

This is novel. I will say though, it is one way to get around the problem of no mass graves. To say 'for 80 years everyone was wrong', 'the bodies were never over here, no, no, they were over there all along, see!'.

Just like at Sobibor with the "mound of ashes."

It just goes to show how shameless and utterly devoid of courage, integrity and character people like nick are.

It really is a mental illness. It's cult like behavior combined with extreme cowardice.

And nick has it bad.

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This is novel. I will say though, it is one way to get around the problem of no mass graves. To say 'for 80 years everyone was wrong', 'the bodies were never over here, no, no, they were over there all along, see!'.

Just like at Sobibor with the "mound of ashes."

It just goes to show how shameless and utterly devoid of courage, integrity and character people like nick are.

It really is a mental illness. It's cult like behavior combined with extreme cowardice.

And nick has it bad.

I mean, it is another iteration. Think of the problem this creates with the 'witness' pool as well. They all said 'they are all in the dirt, right here, they were gassed'. Now it's 'well, you can't actually prove they weren't shot over here and buried though'...

The goalpost, it has moved, literally miles...

Also, as a side note, how 'bout them ashes at Majdanek, eh?

Oh, and there is of course also the pivot of 'no mass graves doesn't mean there weren't mass graves, after the war, the Poles absconded with lots of bodies and reburied them'. Ostensibly any hole in the ground now is potentially a 'huge grave'...


Gee...Thanks Dr Terry....

[Keen]

Oh, and there is of course also the pivot of 'no mass graves doesn't mean there weren't mass graves

That's the retarded "magically disappearing jew" theory that the reality deniers try to peddle when they are challenged to prove the existence of the physical evidence that has to exist in order for them to prove their unsubstantiated allegations.

Stubble:

Ostensibly any hole in the ground now is potentially a 'huge grave'...

That's why the retarded reality deniers cravenly refuse to answer this simple question:

A - Is it - True. - or - False. - that; Non-nefarious diggings for such things as garbage pits, cellars, wells, latrines, etc. - were dug at Belzec, Chelmno, Ponary, Sobibor and Treblinka II - ??

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To be fair, Nick hasn't made the pivot yet. I see the foundation and groundwork for it however.

[Keen]

Revisionists seem unwilling to call Kola a liar

Well, I'm not a revisionist, but I am most certainly willing to call Kola a liar.

In sum, it is a major problem for revisionism not to be able to explain a study relating to physical evidence, all the more so whe a key part of their argument against orthodoxy hinges on assertions of Holocaust being poorly evidenced from physical standpoint.

bombsaway, if you'r so keen on defending Kola's fraudulent "study" of Belzec, then why are you so afraid of trying to defend his fraudulent "study" of Sobibor?

[Keen]

My argument more deals with the failure of revisionists to explain the findings

We can see similar reports for Chelmno and Sobibor

Sobibor:

Grave no 1 is located in the north - eastern part of hectare 17, just west from the memorial to victims. The site was excavated by 27 drills. Horizontally, it measures 20 x 20 m and is up to 4.30 m deep. It was a body burning grave.
Grave no 2 is located in the western part of the hectare 17, south from the memorial. It was excavated by 28 drills. Horizontally its shape is irregular, measuring at least 20 x 25 m – with its longer side in NS position – and with depth up to 4 metres. It was a body burning grave.
Grave no 3 is located in the south- western part of hectare 11 and north - western part of hectare 17. It was excavated by 17 drills. Horizontally, it's irregular, measuring around 20 x 12 m - with its longer side in NS position. The biggest part of the grave is located under north - western part of the memorial. It’s up to 5.80 m deep. In bottom layers, the grave is bony, with human remains in wax- fat transformation. The upper layers are a mixture of burnt body remains with layers of lime stone, sand and charcoal. The northern part of the grave is located near to northern part of the grave no 4. The more precise location of the graves requires additional research.
Grave no 4. It’s a grave with significant size, located in southern part of hectare 11, as well as northern and central parts of hectare 18. It was excavated by 78 drills. Horizontally, in NS position, it measures 70 x 20-25 m with the depth of around 5m. In bottom layers the grave is bony, with human remains in wax-fat transformation. The upper layers are a mixture of burnt body remains with layers of lime stone, sand and charcoal.
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Grave no 5. It’s not a very vast grave, located in the north-western part of hectare 18. It was excavated by 7 drills. Horizontally, it's irregular, measuring at least 10 x 12 m, with its depth up to 4.90 m. In its bottom layers the grave is bony, with human remains in wax-fat transformation. In the upper layers – burnt body remains.
Grave no 6. It’s located in the central part of hectare 18, south from grave no 5. It was excavated by 22 drills. Horizontally, it’s irregular, measuring at least 15 x 25 m, with its depth up to 3.05 m. In its bottom layers the grave is bony, with human remains in wax-fat transformation. The upper layers - burnt body remains.
Grave no 7. Location of body burning activity, measuring at least 10 x 3 m, with its depth up to 0.90 m, in the central part of hectare 18, around 10-12 m south from the southern side of grave 4. The vast majority of burnt body remains were found in 6 drills. Around, vast ground transformation of an uncertain genesis. Only because of the burnt body remains found, the structure was thought of as a grave. In order to state the function of the place more accurately, further archaeological research needs to be conducted.

I'll highlight grave number 4, 70 x 22.5 meters area and 5 meters deep. For those used to US units that's 230 by 75 and 16 feet deep. The size of a school.
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Given the similarity in size and composition (large percentage of the graves consist of body ash) an explanation for what happened at Belzec would also explain what was found at these other camps. I can't imagine a reasonable explanation within the revisionist frame, and none has been offered, which is why this evidence is damning to that movement. The absence of a thorough explanation is the most damning, and it's a fact.

bombsaway, you are invited to try and substantiate Kola's unsubstantiated allegations about Sobibor here:

viewtopic.php?p=15778#p15778

You're not afraid to try, are you bombsaway?

[Keen]

The truth fears no investigation

Then why are you so afraid of joining us in investigating Kola's unsubstantiated Sobibor allegations?

[Keen]

Yeah it's a strange point to make considering the graves are real, enormous, and contain human remains.

Just like at Sobibor, rigth bombsaway?

But if that is so, then why do you run away when you are given the chance to prove your unsubstantiated allegations?

How hard can it be to prove that "enormous" mass graves are real and actually do contain human remains?

Your cowardly actions are not consistent with your words bombsaway.

Come on bombsaway, stop being such a coward and join us here: viewtopic.php?p=15778#p15778

Isn't this the chance you've been waiting for bombsaway? You're always asking "where did they go?" and now you have a chance to answer your own question and show us EXACTLY where those missing 249,989 jews are.