The Korherr Report

[Nessie]

Google translation of the letter Korherr sent to Der Spiegle;

https://fpp.co.uk/History/General/Korhe ... 50777.html

"SPIEGEL, No. 31, 25. July 1977, pp. 12 :
THE well-known, racially persecuted writer H. G. Adler, formerly in Prague, now in London, wrote in 1960 in the preface to the second edition of his extraordinary book "Theresienstadt 1941--1945": "It was also expressly stated that the name Dr. Korherrs as a 'SS statistician' ... is not true, since he never belonged to the SS and has been rehabilitated for his behavior in the years of National Socialism."
The SPIEGEL unfortunately publishes the claim of the English historian Irving that I had calculated on Himmler's order in the spring of 1943 the number of victims of Judaism. In fact, these information was delivered by the Reich Security Main Office (RSHA) fix and finished with the text with the condition to be allowed to change no number and no word.
The statement that I also had listed that more than a million Jews died in the camps of the General Government and Warthegau through special treatment is also incorrect. I must protest against the word 'died' in this context.
It was precisely the word "special treatment" that led me to the telephone inquiry at the RSHA, which this word had to mean. I got the answer that it was Jews who were based in the Lublin district.
Braunschweig
Dr. Richard Korherr"

Korherr was lied to, as there is no evidence over a million Jews being resettled around Lublin in 1943.

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The extant Korherr report is not in itself direct Holocaust evidence. But the surrounding material around the report, the information Korherr received about Jews being kept in Lublin, Himmler's correction all point to that aspect (what evacuation entailed) being ambiguous.

The Reichsfuehrer SS has received your report about "The Final
Solution of the Jewish Problem". He does ,not want any reference to be
made anywhere to "Special Treatment of the Jews". Page 9, Section 4 must
read as follows:
"Transport of Jews from the Eastern provinces
to the Russian East:
Processed through
the camps in the Government-General
the camps in the Warthegau ...................... "
Other descriptions may not be used.

So Korherr was originally told they were given "special treatment", a self-evident code word commonly used to denote killing operations, see EG reports.

[borjastick]

Why is there some difficulty understanding that people who have moved to another 'continent' does not mean that those who chose to stay or couldn't leave for whatever reason are dead?

The word 'evacuate' is not difficult to understand though it could have various levels of weight to it in different languages. Eg. in French the word question is 'demand' which suggest something far stronger than a simple request or basic question or enquiry.

In the second world war youngsters including my mother were 'evacuated' away from larger towns and cities into the countryside for safety. The were not killed.

If it was a hundred million people that had been supposedly evacuated and maintained in an area without a single piece of information (even a rumor) being generated by this mass population movement, would you believe it happened?

Ah I see the exaggeration technique there mate. A common ply and one used regularly by Nessie.

There were no 100m so what on earth are you talking about.

We are talking about several million people across a vast swathe of land in many countries during war time and controlled by Communists. Please get a grip old chap.

[Nessie]

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Ah I see the exaggeration technique there mate. A common ply and one used regularly by Nessie.

Please provide an example of that.

There were no 100m so what on earth are you talking about.

We are talking about several million people across a vast swathe of land in many countries during war time and controlled by Communists. Please get a grip old chap.

If 1.2 million Jews were being accommodated in the east, who had gone there via the AR camps, that would leave evidence. Yet, despite years of searching, so-called revisionists have none. The main attempt to find evidence was by Thomas Kues, and he failed. You cannot name the department responsible for resettlement, or any Nazi who worked there, who would have been sure to talk about their work and provide valuable evidence.

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We are talking about several million people across a vast swathe of land in many countries during war time and controlled by Communists. Please get a grip old chap.

2.5 million "evacuated" is the size of small country, eg Lithuania

Elsewhere you can see how much a challenge like this backfires https://codohforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=268

Even tiny population movements generate evidence.

Why is there some difficulty understanding that people who have moved to another 'continent' does not mean that those who chose to stay or couldn't leave for whatever reason are dead?

The word 'evacuate' is not difficult to understand though it could have various levels of weight to it in different languages. Eg. in French the word question is 'demand' which suggest something far stronger than a simple request or basic question or enquiry.

In the second world war youngsters including my mother were 'evacuated' away from larger towns and cities into the countryside for safety. The were not killed.

This right here, whatever happened to your mother (and her coming back safely) is more evidence than what exists for 2.5 million. Again, that is the entirety of Lithunia, transplanted hundreds or thousands of miles into a discrete area over a year or two

If they were dispersed over a "vast swathe of land" you have a major security threat (at least according to Nazi documents). The spatial argument makes no sense. Likely they would have been concentrated in ghettos or large camps. The ghettos were closed down so we're talking 25 Auschwitz sized camps (the largest of all camps) that are completely unknown to the historical record. Nazgul's silly map points to locations in Poland, Bialystock, areas from which Jews were transferred.

HC blog discusses possible locations

https://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot ... uated.html

Right behind the front line? Does that make sense to you? Ukraine/Belarus/the Baltics seem to have been cleared.

[Nessie]

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Even tiny population movements generate evidence....

Each transport, from Westerbork to Sobibor, generated evidence. Every Jewish household in Berlin, forced to leave and hand over their property, generated evidence.

[borjastick]

The deliberate stupidity of these two Muppets is exactly why we should ban them from posting here. Clutter lies, misinformation etc.

At the end of the war over 50m people were on the move, millions died in Europe in war including civilian casualties of course.

When Muppet General One starts talking about the population of Lithuania firstly I think of 'that's nearly an armful' from Tony Hancock but of course the claimed 2.5m wasn't all at once one sunny weekend in May 1941 and never forget the Russians themselves moved vast populations of jews and others out of harm's way so I wonder why they are silent on these.

They also find it impossible to understand the post war europe political landscape, maybe because it ruins their story about people not popping up in downtown Paris, Munich, Amsterdam etc.

Neither Muppet One or Muppet Two can stand up straight due to in built jiggling, swerving and a lack of backbones.

[Nessie]

The deliberate stupidity of these two Muppets is exactly why we should ban them from posting here. Clutter lies, misinformation etc.

At the end of the war over 50m people were on the move, millions died in Europe in war including civilian casualties of course.

We know about millions of people on the move, because of the evidence thy left behind, of their movements. The only people who somehow were on the move, but failed to leave any evidence, were Jews arrested by the Nazis, and subsequently sent to places such as the AR camps. Evidence of their movements exist up to their arrival at those camps, then it ends.

When Muppet General One starts talking about the population of Lithuania firstly I think of 'that's nearly an armful' from Tony Hancock but of course the claimed 2.5m wasn't all at once one sunny weekend in May 1941 and never forget the Russians themselves moved vast populations of jews and others out of harm's way so I wonder why they are silent on these.

They also find it impossible to understand the post war europe political landscape, maybe because it ruins their story about people not popping up in downtown Paris, Munich, Amsterdam etc.

Neither Muppet One or Muppet Two can stand up straight due to in built jiggling, swerving and a lack of backbones.

You jump from 1943, when many of the large movements of Jews had ended, with the ending of AR, to 1945. What about 1944? Where were all the Jews you say were not killed at the AR camps, then?

[joshk246]

The deliberate stupidity of these two Muppets is exactly why we should ban them from posting here. Clutter lies, misinformation etc.

At the end of the war over 50m people were on the move, millions died in Europe in war including civilian casualties of course.

We know about millions of people on the move, because of the evidence thy left behind, of their movements. The only people who somehow were on the move, but failed to leave any evidence, were Jews arrested by the Nazis, and subsequently sent to places such as the AR camps. Evidence of their movements exist up to their arrival at those camps, then it ends.

When Muppet General One starts talking about the population of Lithuania firstly I think of 'that's nearly an armful' from Tony Hancock but of course the claimed 2.5m wasn't all at once one sunny weekend in May 1941 and never forget the Russians themselves moved vast populations of jews and others out of harm's way so I wonder why they are silent on these.

They also find it impossible to understand the post war europe political landscape, maybe because it ruins their story about people not popping up in downtown Paris, Munich, Amsterdam etc.

Neither Muppet One or Muppet Two can stand up straight due to in built jiggling, swerving and a lack of backbones.

You jump from 1943, when many of the large movements of Jews had ended, with the ending of AR, to 1945. What about 1944? Where were all the Jews you say were not killed at the AR camps, then?

Nessie, this is demonstrably false. Many instances of EE Jewish immigration which wasn't tracked.

"Iran’s Jewish population numbered 40,000; by 1970, 60,581 Jews had left Persia for Israel, and yet, in 1971, there were still 80,000 Jews in Persia. A natural increase of this size is unthinkable, leaving only one logical conclusion: They must have entered Persia between 1939 and the end of the war, coming from eastern Europe and the Balkans. The Soviet Union, Great Britain and the United States violated Iran’s proclaimed neutrality by force of arms and occupied that country against its will in World War Two. Persia was powerless to stop the immigration of Jews who had escaped from the German sphere of influence but whom no country wanted to accept."

[bombsaway]

The deliberate stupidity of these two Muppets is exactly why we should ban them from posting here. Clutter lies, misinformation etc.

At the end of the war over 50m people were on the move, millions died in Europe in war including civilian casualties of course.

When Muppet General One starts talking about the population of Lithuania firstly I think of 'that's nearly an armful' from Tony Hancock but of course the claimed 2.5m wasn't all at once one sunny weekend in May 1941 and never forget the Russians themselves moved vast populations of jews and others out of harm's way so I wonder why they are silent on these.

They also find it impossible to understand the post war europe political landscape, maybe because it ruins their story about people not popping up in downtown Paris, Munich, Amsterdam etc.

Neither Muppet One or Muppet Two can stand up straight due to in built jiggling, swerving and a lack of backbones.

It was between summer of 1941 and winter of 43 (when Korherr wrote the report) so 1.5 years. According to Korherr " the evacuation was prepared on a large scale and largely implemented throughout the entire Reich territory in 1942"

So we have evidence of this planning in a massive way in terms of the deportations, with long reports written about specific deportation actions etc, but absolutely zippo when they come into the Soviet Union.

All of this would be in addition to Jews being moved by the Soviet Union or fleeing on their own accord. According to Korherr it was the Nazis that moved them into Russia, this is what is zero evidenced. Again a country sized amount of people.

When we look at what was happening to Jews in Nazi held USSR it was things like Neuffer's statement about the German Jews being "killed off". Not being maintained there in any way. The most reasonable explanation, even within a revisionist frame of no Polish gassings, is that they were sent there to be killed, not resettled.

[Stubble]

The deliberate stupidity of these two Muppets is exactly why we should ban them from posting here. Clutter lies, misinformation etc.

At the end of the war over 50m people were on the move, millions died in Europe in war including civilian casualties of course.

We know about millions of people on the move, because of the evidence thy left behind, of their movements. The only people who somehow were on the move, but failed to leave any evidence, were Jews arrested by the Nazis, and subsequently sent to places such as the AR camps. Evidence of their movements exist up to their arrival at those camps, then it ends.

When Muppet General One starts talking about the population of Lithuania firstly I think of 'that's nearly an armful' from Tony Hancock but of course the claimed 2.5m wasn't all at once one sunny weekend in May 1941 and never forget the Russians themselves moved vast populations of jews and others out of harm's way so I wonder why they are silent on these.

They also find it impossible to understand the post war europe political landscape, maybe because it ruins their story about people not popping up in downtown Paris, Munich, Amsterdam etc.

Neither Muppet One or Muppet Two can stand up straight due to in built jiggling, swerving and a lack of backbones.

You jump from 1943, when many of the large movements of Jews had ended, with the ending of AR, to 1945. What about 1944? Where were all the Jews you say were not killed at the AR camps, then?

Nessie, this is demonstrably false. Many instances of EE Jewish immigration which wasn't tracked.

"Iran’s Jewish population numbered 40,000; by 1970, 60,581 Jews had left Persia for Israel, and yet, in 1971, there were still 80,000 Jews in Persia. A natural increase of this size is unthinkable, leaving only one logical conclusion: They must have entered Persia between 1939 and the end of the war, coming from eastern Europe and the Balkans. The Soviet Union, Great Britain and the United States violated Iran’s proclaimed neutrality by force of arms and occupied that country against its will in World War Two. Persia was powerless to stop the immigration of Jews who had escaped from the German sphere of influence but whom no country wanted to accept."

Archie pointed this out in the REFUGEES files. There are of course also the jews in Mexico, Shanghai, the Soviet Union etc. But, when you mentioned Iran, this sprang to mind.

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/3016297 ... ctPage=704

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We know about millions of people on the move, because of the evidence thy left behind, of their movements. The only people who somehow were on the move, but failed to leave any evidence, were Jews arrested by the Nazis, and subsequently sent to places such as the AR camps. Evidence of their movements exist up to their arrival at those camps, then it ends.



You jump from 1943, when many of the large movements of Jews had ended, with the ending of AR, to 1945. What about 1944? Where were all the Jews you say were not killed at the AR camps, then?

Nessie, this is demonstrably false. Many instances of EE Jewish immigration which wasn't tracked.

"Iran’s Jewish population numbered 40,000; by 1970, 60,581 Jews had left Persia for Israel, and yet, in 1971, there were still 80,000 Jews in Persia. A natural increase of this size is unthinkable, leaving only one logical conclusion: They must have entered Persia between 1939 and the end of the war, coming from eastern Europe and the Balkans. The Soviet Union, Great Britain and the United States violated Iran’s proclaimed neutrality by force of arms and occupied that country against its will in World War Two. Persia was powerless to stop the immigration of Jews who had escaped from the German sphere of influence but whom no country wanted to accept."

Archie pointed this out in the REFUGEES files. There are of course also the jews in Mexico, Shanghai, the Soviet Union etc. But, when you mentioned Iran, this sprang to mind.

https://catalog.archives.gov/id/3016297 ... ctPage=704

Again what is relevant is the Korherr's statement about the Nazis themselves evacuating 2.5 million. Did they sneak them across the frontline into Soviet held territory, or send them over the Black Sea to Turkey, where they filtered out from? I don't think so.

[borjastick]

The deliberate stupidity of these two Muppets is exactly why we should ban them from posting here. Clutter lies, misinformation etc.

At the end of the war over 50m people were on the move, millions died in Europe in war including civilian casualties of course.

We know about millions of people on the move, because of the evidence thy left behind, of their movements. The only people who somehow were on the move, but failed to leave any evidence, were Jews arrested by the Nazis, and subsequently sent to places such as the AR camps. Evidence of their movements exist up to their arrival at those camps, then it ends.

When Muppet General One starts talking about the population of Lithuania firstly I think of 'that's nearly an armful' from Tony Hancock but of course the claimed 2.5m wasn't all at once one sunny weekend in May 1941 and never forget the Russians themselves moved vast populations of jews and others out of harm's way so I wonder why they are silent on these.

They also find it impossible to understand the post war europe political landscape, maybe because it ruins their story about people not popping up in downtown Paris, Munich, Amsterdam etc.

Neither Muppet One or Muppet Two can stand up straight due to in built jiggling, swerving and a lack of backbones.

You jump from 1943, when many of the large movements of Jews had ended, with the ending of AR, to 1945. What about 1944? Where were all the Jews you say were not killed at the AR camps, then?

I'm trying to work out of Nessie really is this stupid or is maybe autistic or similar. FFS shut up and listen once in a while. The old 'if they weren't killed where did they go' is a monumentally stupid proposition.

I might give this codoh site a wide berth if this situation isn't improved. I fail to see what added value these fuckwits bring. You get to a point in life when the level of cuntism one is prepared to let inside the room becomes remarkably small...

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I'm trying to work out of Nessie really is this stupid or is maybe autistic or similar. FFS shut up and listen once in a while. The old 'if they weren't killed where did they go' is a monumentally stupid proposition.

I might give this codoh site a wide berth if this situation isn't improved. I fail to see what added value these fuckwits bring. You get to a point in life when the level of cuntism one is prepared to let inside the room becomes remarkably small...

Since resettlement isn't evidenced, or barely so, the "problematic" Korherr report is basically it, revisionists are the ones assuming (since they weren't gassed, they survived). Based on the evidence at hand, if they were sent east, the much greater probability is that they were killed

Neuffer:

What will they say when they find our graves in POLAND?
The OGPU can’t have done anything worse than that. I myself have
seen a convey at LUDOWICE(?) near MINSK; I must say it was
frightful, a horrible sight. There were lorries full of men, women and
children–quite small children. It is ghastly, this picture. The women, the
little children who were, of course, absolutely unsuspecting–frightful! Of
course, I didn’t watch while they were being murdered. German police
stood about with tommy-guns, and–do you know what they had there?
Lithuanians, or fellows like that, in the brown uniform, did it. The
German Jews were also sent to the MINSK district, and were gradually
killed off, so far as they survived the other treatment.

You discount such evidence as gossiping (though Neuffer was in that area so he was getting this info first hand)

but you have nothing like it, not even rumors

[Nessie]

The deliberate stupidity of these two Muppets is exactly why we should ban them from posting here. Clutter lies, misinformation etc.

At the end of the war over 50m people were on the move, millions died in Europe in war including civilian casualties of course.

We know about millions of people on the move, because of the evidence thy left behind, of their movements. The only people who somehow were on the move, but failed to leave any evidence, were Jews arrested by the Nazis, and subsequently sent to places such as the AR camps. Evidence of their movements exist up to their arrival at those camps, then it ends.

When Muppet General One starts talking about the population of Lithuania firstly I think of 'that's nearly an armful' from Tony Hancock but of course the claimed 2.5m wasn't all at once one sunny weekend in May 1941 and never forget the Russians themselves moved vast populations of jews and others out of harm's way so I wonder why they are silent on these.

They also find it impossible to understand the post war europe political landscape, maybe because it ruins their story about people not popping up in downtown Paris, Munich, Amsterdam etc.

Neither Muppet One or Muppet Two can stand up straight due to in built jiggling, swerving and a lack of backbones.

You jump from 1943, when many of the large movements of Jews had ended, with the ending of AR, to 1945. What about 1944? Where were all the Jews you say were not killed at the AR camps, then?

Nessie, this is demonstrably false. Many instances of EE Jewish immigration which wasn't tracked.

"Iran’s Jewish population numbered 40,000; by 1970, 60,581 Jews had left Persia for Israel, and yet, in 1971, there were still 80,000 Jews in Persia. A natural increase of this size is unthinkable, leaving only one logical conclusion: They must have entered Persia between 1939 and the end of the war, coming from eastern Europe and the Balkans. The Soviet Union, Great Britain and the United States violated Iran’s proclaimed neutrality by force of arms and occupied that country against its will in World War Two. Persia was powerless to stop the immigration of Jews who had escaped from the German sphere of influence but whom no country wanted to accept."

The other conclusion is that the 1970 estimate was wrong.

The Nazis knew by 1944, they were being accused of mass murder. It would have been in their interests to counter those allegations with evidence of millions of Jews in camps and ghettos. Why did no such evidence ever appear?